Shugayev
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« on: November 15, 2018, 05:35:16 AM » |
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Hi all, I have started building a 1/48 Tamiya Il-2 and I intend to show a lot of interior detail. The question is: How true is the coloring in the cutaway drawing below especially in the places I have arrowed?..i.e.: fuselage tanks color, wooden fuselage interior color,wing ribs color and radiator air intake color. Thanks a lot, Panagiotis.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2018, 02:06:51 PM » |
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Hi Massimo, Thanks a lot for your prompt reply. The link is stunning and l'm sure I'll find all my questions answered. Cheers, Panagiotis.
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2018, 08:08:27 AM » |
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Hi, about wooden fuselage: an early MiG-3 of 1941 shows wood color. Early Lavochkins seem to have silver wood in the cockpit area, but it seems black on the rear area. Il-2M3 is of 1944/45, so I suppose that the rear area, the gunner cockpit at least, was painted with DD-118 uninflammable grey paint, in the range of Humbrol 27, not very different from A-14. Fuel piping were yellow, but I think that the fuel tanks were covered by a layer of rubber to be self-sealing, giving a blackish look. Regards Massimo
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Shugayev
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2018, 08:35:36 AM » |
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Hi, about wooden fuselage: an early MiG-3 of 1941 shows wood color. Early Lavochkins seem to have silver wood in the cockpit area, but it seems black on the rear area. Il-2M3 is of 1944/45, so I suppose that the rear area, the gunner cockpit at least, was painted with DD-118 uninflammable grey paint, in the range of Humbrol 27, not very different from A-14. Fuel piping were yellow, but I think that the fuel tanks were covered by a layer of rubber to be self-sealing, giving a blackish look. Regards Massimo
Thanks a lot Massimo. I'll be back with another question. I feel I'm in the right place here. Cheers, Panagiotis.
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Shugayev
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2018, 08:06:36 PM » |
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Hi again, I'm watching this restoration link with great interest.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWCM7RQhbqcMy question is..Are the light yellow-green and grey primers? I think -you know much better- if they are reliable? For the grey as you have mentioned above, was painted below the camo floor of the fuselage? Cheers, Panagiotis.
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2018, 09:22:45 PM » |
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Hi Panagiotis, those primers don't resemble to what I have seen on photos of wrecks. Yes, yellow is plausible as ALG-1, but I have seen shades of grey-green (alg-5?) and red brown inside the wings. It is very possible that these colors were covered by a layer of grey on inside surfaces that remained accessible, and this was lost due to weathering. The accuracy of the colors of that restoration is bad, green-black camo went out of use in 1943 and that version of plane is of 1944-45. Regards Massimo
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2018, 08:44:41 AM » |
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Spasiba balsoia Massimo. 😊 I've started my OOB Il-2M3 1/48 scale. The big fun though will be with my detailed Shturmovik for which I keep the read-up with your valuable help.
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2018, 11:24:28 AM » |
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Hi Pamagiotis, about the rear UB of the kit of Tamiya, it has a cylinder on its top that is present on some postwar planes, but I have never (or nearly) seen it on wartime planes. I suggest to check this detail after havng choosen the plane you want to reproduce. Regards Massimo
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2018, 07:44:57 PM » |
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Hi Massimo, You mean this one here?
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2018, 10:33:54 PM » |
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Hi, no, I remember a short horizontal cylinder over the gas recovery pipe, but now I don't see it on this photo. I wonder if I remember badly, or this kit was corrected. The cylinder can be seen on the photos of the plane in Prague museum, but not on the wartime ones. Regards Massimo
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2018, 05:35:55 PM » |
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Hi Massimo, I saw somewhere a side view of an all black Il-2. Point is, I can't find it again. I think it's a good idea for me to get my cutaway project done on a black background so that the primer colouring should show much better. Could you please tell me if indeed there were black painted Il-2s? Cheers, Panagiotis.
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2018, 12:35:51 PM » |
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Hi Panagiotis, no, I don't think at all. I think to have seen the profile, but never any photo. Some Yugoslavian Il-2s were painted overall dark grey, if I remember well. Regards Massimo
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2018, 05:41:33 AM » |
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Hi Panagiotis, no, I don't think at all. I think to have seen the profile, but never any photo. Some Yugoslavian Il-2s were painted overall dark grey, if I remember well. Regards Massimo
Hi Massimo, Pity, it woulld be nice. Found the profile btw. Cheers, Panagiotis.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2018, 09:46:17 AM » |
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Hi Panagiotis, yes, I remember that profile on 'Profiles' serie, sorry for the joke of words. Not credible at all. Regards Massimo
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