Hi,
have you any idea what colors were used to overpaint RAF roundels on the fuselage/upperwings (green AMT-4?) and underwings (blue AMT-7?) ?
Similiar colors was probably used also for P-39 delivered directly from USA with Olive Drab on the upper surfaces and grey underwings.
Thak you.
Regards,
66misos
Hi Looked thorugh the thread, after a part writing a post
If your doing 'white 16' as in the pic further down...
But first, the pic bewlow seems to show an example of what I'm saying didn't happen much...
The b&w picture posted by KL on June 13, 2012:
shows red star with thin white outline plus repainting aound the star is clearly visible - very sharp demacration line and color different from original camo color.
Note the long thin barrel of the 20mm cannon in the propeller spinner.
If I have to make a decission as a modeller now, I would probably go for:
- grey/green camo,
- RAF roundels visibly overpainted,
- red stars with white outline,
- white "16"
- red tail tip.
Regards,
66misos
BUT, if it's this plane...
Here are pictures from
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-39This is Capt. I. V. Bochkov also from the
19th GIAP in front of his P-400 Aircobra I number "16" in East Carelia in 1942:
The color around the fuselage red star seems to be different from camouflage color - looks like overpainted RAF roundel. Not sure whether red star has white outline or not (common since 1943, not in 1941/42).
This is
exactly what i mean by the rest of the post....
It's quite possible they roundels were overpainted and red stars applied BEFORE delivery to the VVS, so
RAF colours would have been used.Looking through the thread agin I note I already posted some of this, but without a good photo...
I note you posted this
this applies to Day Fighter scheme (DFS) of Dark Green, Ocean Grey (or mixed grey) and Medium Sea Grey.
If in DFS then the match would have been good, but if in the original factory applied delivery scheme for the Airacobra which was the Temperate Land Scheme (TLS) of Dark Green, Dark Earth and Sky., then as the Airacobras were in US equivalent paint, then there would be a slight difference. [see the Boston below]..or
also see -
http://amair4raf.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=airacobraNote the sky turn up visible just before the tailplane
and
The well known photograph below shows either Ivan Bochkov or Efim Krivosheev in front of the latter's Cobra Bort # 16 of the 19 GIAP. The under surface colour sweep up under the tail may just be seen and this aircraft was almost certainly still in the Bell delivery colours of Du Pont Dark Green, Dark Earth and Sky.
There are photos of Spitfires being remarked like this in Iran, here they are after repainting. If you look carefully you can see where the RAF roundels have been overpainted. Note upperwing stars, and black border on fuselage stars
Supermarine Spitfire Vb being prepared for delivery to the Soviet Union at Abadan, Iran in 1943.
Bearing this in mind then it explains why the painted out roundels are often in a similar shade of paint.
for example, here is an ex-raf Boston, note the carefully painted out roundel, and the matched camo demarcation line, though the Boston was painted by Douglas to RAF specifications there were slight differences in the colours. There are photos of Boston at the factory in the US that shows this, though the difference is small as the colours were to British specifications.
[ see Nick Millmans blogspot for more on this -
http://amair4raf.blogspot.co.uk]
and why these Hurricanes have upperwing stars.
Though this plane shows signs of extensive repainting of the rear fuselage and fin...that's another topic.
Have a look at your source picture, and make a best guess.
Certainly the VVS painted out the US applied white discs, but when the red stars were to a VVS standard they were used as supplied it seems, look at later B-25 in VVS specified camo or later Kingcobra deliveries for example.
Finally, in the post I took you quote from, you show some profiles...well, i'm now of the belief
NEVER TRUST A PROFILE WITHOUT A SUPPORTING PHOTO!!!!!glad i had a look through this again for the pic of bort 12 Konstantin posted
Cheers
T