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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2006, 10:06:47 PM » |
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Hi, I've identified the plane, it's an Il-4. No doubt, it can give the idea of a Zero. I'll have a look to the links of those pages, I know there is something wrong there. Massimo
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2006, 04:58:07 AM » |
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il-4 does match
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2006, 06:16:31 AM » |
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Hi, I've received some notes from Oleg Korytov, the author of the interview; Hello, Massimo Hmm? It sure does not look like Il-2 cocpit, and i had this doubt for some time, but this photo came from photo album. It is possible that this shot was made from 1 mtap, since at some time they used to be stationed on the same AB. What i can also say - this is officer, and most likely he is sitting without chute (no shoulder straps) and he wears a naval black uniform, BUT! i can see aiming device which was never installed on Il-4! It looks more like Pbp-1b, wich was commonly used on Il-2 single seated version. Soooo.... This is NOT Il-4? and NOT Il-2? To prove this you can take a look two pics down - good view of a glass. Steering sure looks more like bombers... May be we should ask some specialist?
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2006, 09:56:35 AM » |
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http://mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/avia/il_4.htmcan it be "28 idicator of radio-semi-compass"? p.s. mtap = minno-torpednyi aviapolk = mine(laying)/torpedo aviaregiment. can DB-3T torpplane have been modified by adding some torp sight?
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2006, 12:17:30 PM » |
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Hi, I suspected the same thing, but I wasn't able to find any confirmation. For sure, standard Il-4 didn't have the gunsight. Massimo
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2006, 11:49:13 PM » |
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http://mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/avia/il_4.htmcan it be "28 idicator of radio-semi-compass"? p.s. mtap = minno-torpednyi aviapolk = mine(laying)/torpedo aviaregiment. can DB-3T torpplane have been modified by adding some torp sight? It does not look like it. Compare it also with photo of Mikhail Rossykhin - the same aiming device is visible. It is not possible for aiming device to be placed in Il-4 cabin, since there was no weapon to be used with it - it did not have unmanned guns, torpedoes (as well as bombs) were aimed and released by navigator, who had a special sight. 35 ShAP used to be armed with I-15 bis and Possibly with some other fighters. Could it be one? Although 1943 uniform...
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2006, 06:26:41 AM » |
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Hi, looking again at the photo, I think to see both the radiocompass indicator as shown in the section and, on its background, an aiming device. I have no idea of the reason of this. The cockpit looks not that of an old Polikarpov. Massimo
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2006, 11:21:49 PM » |
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Hi, that is interesting. In your knowledge, this armament was carried only by early DB-3s, or on later Il-4s too? Massimo
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2006, 01:34:12 PM » |
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Hi, that is interesting. In your knowledge, this armament was carried only by early DB-3s, or on later Il-4s too? Massimo It seems that this arrangement was made during winter war in one regiment only. Perhaps in the beginning of the war also on some planes. Not enough data
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2006, 04:06:58 PM » |
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It seems that this arrangement was made during winter war in one regiment only. Perhaps in the beginning of the war also on some planes. Not enough data
So far only one squad is identified with such aircraft in use^ 3-d squadron of 85 BAP OsNaz.
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2006, 08:06:48 PM » |
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Hi, where was this unit located? Massimo
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2006, 08:32:33 PM » |
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Hi, where was this unit located? Massimo This unit (former 12 detached DBAE was based at Pushkin AB, and was reformed into 85-th DBAP OsNaz on 1-st of February 1940. It primarily consisted of instructors and experienced specialists, and it had best results during entire finnish war. It was armed with 27 and 28 series aircraft. What actually happened to it later i do not know. Anyway, the mistery remains - either this plane made it into 1943 with other regiment, or was it really modified later. Massimo, have you chosen a pic to colorize?
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2006, 08:55:20 PM » |
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Hi Oleg, thank your for your information. About images, probably I'll colorize the one of Yak-7. Only, I'm slowed down because I'm using part of my free time for a different thing. I'll keep you informed. Massimo
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