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Title: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: xan on May 03, 2011, 12:05:13 AM I saw a decoration of a I-16 type 5 of a baltic unit
Does anyone have a pic of this plane ? http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/317/1/3/64 (http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/317/1/3/64) thanks Xan Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: John Thompson on May 03, 2011, 03:01:09 AM There's a couple of photos on this page:
http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html If I come up with anything else, I'll be back... ;) John Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 03, 2011, 06:57:35 AM Hi Xan,
there are photos from both sides of this plane on the book of EP, pag.120, and profiles at pag.106. I've doubts on the color of inscriptions on both sides. Have you this book? Regards Massimo Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: xan on May 03, 2011, 08:53:23 AM Yes Ihave this book, I will have a loock at night.
thanks for the link! the pics are really beautifull (the others aren't bad too) Xan Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: KL on May 03, 2011, 08:10:09 PM Hi Xan :)
your I-16 is one of Pilawskii's favorites! It is shown in two versions in his new I-16 booklet: (http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/I-16inProfileandScale-Pilawskii-Pg5.jpg) (http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/I-16inProfileandScale-Pilawskii-Pg6.jpg) Pilawskii still ignores everything that was written about VVS colours in Russia. He insists on his (acidic) lime green AII Green. Dark green is his "Factory Green" now renamed as "AEh-15". All this is ridiculous - AII Green was totally different and "Factory Green" never existed!!! "Frustratingly poor images" are his main problem. His research is just interpretation of b/w photos. No analysis, no historical context, no standards, no analogies... He didn't see red stars on fuselage sides, so it wasn't there. Or, maybe there was one...??? Other I-16s had red stars painted on their fuselage sides... (http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/090723074459_I-16_tip_5_VVS_KBF.jpg) Can you see the Red Star there??? Saludos KL Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: marluc on May 03, 2011, 10:39:20 PM There was a discussion on scalemodel.ru regarding the stars on these ski equipped I-16s some time ago.This profile has the red star (probably edited):
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z27/marluc_foto/polikarpov/I-16/090722193252_z3.jpg) In Pilawskii?s profiles,the skis look undersized. Greetings. Martin Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: xan on May 04, 2011, 01:14:28 AM your I-16 is one of Pilawskii's favorites! sorry ;)Can you see the Red Star there??? of course I do ! (http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2011/05/04//110504011426534318100328.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com) and what about the left side, with or without star ? Xan Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 04, 2011, 11:04:04 PM Hi all,
I see the star in the photo, as Xan. I think that it was on both sides, as usual. Regards Massimo Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: learstang on May 05, 2011, 01:52:20 AM I see it also (is this some sort of Rorschach test where were asked what we see in the picture?). I wonder why it's so faint - perhaps it was overpainted for some reason. There is also a faint diagonal line in front of it, perhaps also overpainted.
Regards, Jason Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: marluc on May 05, 2011, 02:40:53 AM Hello Jason:
I wonder why it's so faint I think it?s faint due to the light conditions in a snowy enviroment and the kind of photograph film.Greetings.Martin Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 12, 2011, 07:03:47 AM Hi,
could anyone give to me a good translation of the captions on I-16s, please? http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html (http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html) Regards Massimo Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: John Thompson on September 12, 2011, 04:54:40 PM Hi, could anyone give to me a good translation of the captions on I-16s, please? http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html (http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html) Regards Massimo I don't know if this qualifies as a "good" translation or not, but how about this: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bellabs.ru%2FFotab%2FSov-Fin%2FSov-Fin.html&act=url John Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: learstang on September 12, 2011, 05:47:52 PM I can translate at least that they belong to the Air Force of the Red Banner Fleet (VVS KBF; the Red Banner Fleet was also known as the Baltic Fleet).
Regards, Jason Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 12, 2011, 06:22:30 PM Hi John,
thank you, but I don't know what are AE and AB for. CBF should be KBF. And MAC/b? Regards Massimo Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: KL on September 12, 2011, 06:33:52 PM could anyone give to me a good translation of the captions on I-16s, please? http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html (http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html) Bort Number "11", "Za VKP(b)" = "For the All-Union Communist Party (Russian: Всесою́зная Коммунисти́ческая Па́ртия), ВКП) Major Gubanov Bort Number "11", "Freedom to the Oppressed!" Major Gubanov Bort "3", For the Constitution of the SSSR!" Senior lieutenant Novikov Both planes belonged to 13th Avio Escadrille of the 61st Avio Brigade of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet Air Force Title: Re: searching pics of a I-16 type 5 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 19, 2011, 06:52:47 AM Thank you Konstantin
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