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Pre-GPW Aviation => Biplane fighters of '20s and '30s => Topic started by: -spokito- on April 14, 2011, 09:58:05 AM



Title: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: -spokito- on April 14, 2011, 09:58:05 AM
hi folks,
do you know that ?
http://cgi.ebay.fr/1-48-I-153-early-best-model-with-PE-and-metal-/220758305285?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3366386a05 (http://cgi.ebay.fr/1-48-I-153-early-best-model-with-PE-and-metal-/220758305285?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3366386a05)


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: GoNzA on April 14, 2011, 01:20:08 PM
The kit review:

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/myarticles/article_storyid_966.html


The story about assemblage:

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_14582.html

I have got this kit and I could answer your questions. What exactly is interesting to you?


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: -spokito- on April 14, 2011, 02:03:50 PM
hello gonza, thanks for the link.
i dont read russian but the photos says to me :" buy it" so.... one more to buy ;)


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 14, 2011, 04:18:38 PM
Hi friends,
I didn't know that kit. It looks good enough, however I'll wait for ICM that should be released within the year.
The work on your model looks really accurate and careful, so I understand your interest for photoetched details for I-153.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: -spokito- on April 14, 2011, 05:17:06 PM
thanks gonza, i would have the surprise openning the box ! i like it ! anyway it's a kit to have when you are making a VVS collection !
i'm sure that ICM kit will be easier to bild because it's all styrene kit.
just a question gonza ...is the AMC good in shape ? have you compare already AMG and classis airframes I-153 48? kits ?


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: GoNzA on April 15, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
IMHO: There was no yet a ICM's kit, I consider the I-153 AMG of the best, unequivocally!!!

There one minus - an engine cowl. It short (the early version) and a jalousie closed (I am not assured that correctly was expressed on english.)

There are in open access three Books of Technical Specification I-153. They very much help with modeling doing its fascinating!


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: -spokito- on April 15, 2011, 06:29:18 PM
thank you gonza ;)
dont worry with your english, is better than mine probably. fench people are not talented with foreign languages ! thank you google translate ;D
i will soon get this AMG kit


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: John Thompson on April 15, 2011, 11:05:17 PM
You guys are doing great! We all depend on Google Translate - for a person like me who can't read Russian, Google Translate is absolutely necessary if you are an enthusiast of Russian aircraft!  :D

Regarding the 1/48 I-153, I have the Flashback kit. On the box the text says that it was a reissue of an early kit by Eduard. The main parts (fuselage halves, wings, cowling face, etc.) look identical to images of the AMG kit in the thread that GoNzA posted. The arrangement of the parts on the sprues is different, and the main part of the cowling is only two pieces, instead of four in the AMG kit. There is no white metal - small parts like landing gear are plastic. There are some photoetched parts, but not as many or as detailed as the AMG version. Resin parts are included for cockpit details, RS-82 rockets, and skis (there are two decal options, one Russian and one Finnish, both for aircraft equipped with skis).

I'm guessing that all the existing 1/48 I-153 kits are based on the Eduard main parts; these are very well molded and detailed. I'm sure you will enjoy the AMG version when you receive it!

(...and "jalousie" makes good sense - it means a kind of window shutter or covering, so the meaning regarding the I-153 cowling face, with its "shutters" to control engine temperature, is perfectly understandable! ;) )

John


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: GoNzA on April 16, 2011, 02:28:07 AM
...and "jalousie" makes good sense - it means a kind of window shutter or covering, so the meaning regarding the I-153 cowling face, with its "shutters" to control engine temperature, is perfectly understandable! ;)
John

Yes, in Russian one word is applied to them - jalousie (жалюзи).

(http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/s63950701.jpg) (http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/63950701.jpg)(http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/s27242117.jpg) (http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/27242117.jpg)

But I don't know, how correctly word for them in English engineering specifications.


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: John Thompson on April 16, 2011, 04:03:40 AM

But I don't know, how correctly word for them in English engineering specifications.


The best I can think of is "adjustable temperature control dampers" or "adjustable temperature control shutters". Maybe someone else has a better suggestion?

John


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: learstang on April 16, 2011, 06:01:19 AM
Engine cooling shutters, maybe?

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: GoNzA on April 16, 2011, 07:46:04 AM
Above I have written: "There are in open access three Books of Technical Specification I-153. "
But I have looked for it by Google and haven't found good links.
You will probably have the same problem.

(http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/s35816279.jpg) (http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/35816279.jpg) (http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/s64099303.jpg) (http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/64099303.jpg) (http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/s46869701.jpg) (http://gonza.moy.su/_bl/0/46869701.jpg)

I-153 TO part 1 (ZIP, 34 Mb) (http://files.mail.ru/D9OEJP)
I-153 TO part 2 (ZIP, 21 Mb) (http://files.mail.ru/ADYLKB)
I-153 TO part 3 (ZIP, 46 Mb) (http://files.mail.ru/PWAWOT)
I-153 TO I-153 graphic (ZIP, 4 Mb) (http://files.mail.ru/TNOIX3)

Files will be stored till the May, 16th, 2011, each downloading of files prolongs their period of storage for 30 days.


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: John Thompson on April 16, 2011, 04:12:48 PM
Engine cooling shutters, maybe?

Regards,

Jason

Much better!  :D

Above I have written: "There are in open access three Books of Technical Specification I-153. "
But I have looked for it by Google and haven't found good links.
You will probably have the same problem.

I-153 TO part 1 (ZIP, 34 Mb) (http://files.mail.ru/D9OEJP)
I-153 TO part 2 (ZIP, 21 Mb) (http://files.mail.ru/ADYLKB)
I-153 TO part 3 (ZIP, 46 Mb) (http://files.mail.ru/PWAWOT)
I-153 TO I-153 graphic (ZIP, 4 Mb) (http://files.mail.ru/TNOIX3)

Files will be stored till the May, 16th, 2011, each downloading of files prolongs their period of storage for 30 days.

Excellent! Thank you for the links, Anatoliy!

John


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: xan on June 01, 2011, 03:54:32 PM
I do know the decoration of the AMG I-153 I will buy: the original decoration of the I-153 of the "mus?e de l'air" of course, all silver...

Xan


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: John Thompson on June 02, 2011, 12:28:44 AM
I do know the decoration of the AMG I-153 I will buy: the original decoration of the I-153 of the "mus?e de l'air" of course, all silver...

Xan

With AE-9 light grey metal parts, perhaps?:

(http://s1.postimage.org/16rpkhytg/f22.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/16rpkhytg/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/4d0kbdo2s/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4d0kbdo2s/)

(http://s1.postimage.org/195laq404/I_153_56.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/195laq404/)

John



Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: xan on June 02, 2011, 12:42:19 AM
Of course John, I'm scanning the pics in the other post!
Xan


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: Palanadine on February 18, 2012, 11:36:21 AM
 Good morning!

 Decided to post here as opposed to just opening a whole new topic for a simple question.

 Was looking around model shops and e-bay, only found a few offerings of this kit (understandable as there were apparently only a bit over a thousand made).
 
 What i would like to know is, the kit depicts an "early" type of this aircraft. Was it used in the GPW? If not, what external/ visible changes were done on the (i assume there was one) "late" type? More specificaly, was there in reality an early-late type distinction?

 If the kit can be made to represent a GPW aircraft, early or modified to a late, please let me know so i can try to get one! Thank you very much!

 Btw, i heard that ICM was going to release one in 1/48, but have yet to see a rivet or spar of it.... Is it coming out? Is another company going to tackle the subject? Or should i go ahead and get the AMG kit?
 
 Regards,

 Panayotis


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: John Thompson on February 18, 2012, 04:50:04 PM
Hi Panayotis! I can't say I've studied the I-153 in that kind of detail, but I've never seen any reference to a distinction between early and late I-153's. I believe there were some differences between those with M-62 and M-63 engines, but as far as external appearance goes, these were minor, and were limited to the configuration of the slots/openings in the cowling faceplate, and maybe the propeller. Trouble is, I've never seen drawings or photos that show this in specific detail. You might check the pinned I-153 thread at Scalemodels.ru:
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_14166_start_0.html

These drawings may help:
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/i153.html
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/i153eksprint.html

I think you might have trouble finding photos that show the cowling face for any particular decal option that you choose, though, so it might not be possible to decide which engine type was used on any specific aircraft. If I find anything more helpful, I'll certainly post it.

Yes, the wait for those ICM I-153's (in both 1/48 and 1/72) seems to be taking forever! I've asked ICM several times by e-mail about the 1/72 version, but the answer continues to be "this year", the same as it was last year...  ???

John


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: Palanadine on February 18, 2012, 08:40:17 PM
 Thanks for the heads up John! Guess i'll just try and get an AMG copy while waiting for the ICM kit... Wonders do happen - occasionaly!

 Regards,

 Panayotis


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 19, 2012, 04:09:50 PM
Hi John and Panayotis,
about the distinction between M-62 and 63, there is something here
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i15/i-153/i-153painting/i-153painting.htm (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i15/i-153/i-153painting/i-153painting.htm)
Apart for the late type front openings and the spinner, the M-63 engined planes were characterized by a different style of hot air outlet for the oil cooler.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: John Thompson on February 19, 2012, 05:41:22 PM
Thanks, Massimo - an excellent page, with lots of great photos! Seeing it makes me even more desperate for ICM to release their 1/72 I-153!  :D

John


Title: Re: I-153 1/48 AMG
Post by: Palanadine on February 19, 2012, 08:38:59 PM
 Greatly appreciate the help Massimo! Now just waiting till the AMG kit i just won on ebay arrives  ;)

 Though it has to be said that with all this wealth of information, i just HAVE to print everything before even thinking about starting to cut pieces off the sprues....