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hello friends,
already for a long time there are notices that a new Lagg-3 in 1/48 should appear soon. Perhaps all of you knows that such kit was announced by ICM (you can find this topic on our board as well).
But the latest news from Russian modeling forum FSM reveals that the kit of Lagg-3 in 1/48 very soon will be available from other producer in Russia which name is still undisclosed! This kit has nothing to do with ICM announcement.
From same forum I repost the pictures of the first injections of the kit:

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/senux/Lagg1.jpg)
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(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/senux/Lagg2.jpg)
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(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/senux/Lagg3.jpg)
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(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/senux/Lagg4.jpg)
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(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/senux/Lagg5.jpg)
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(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/senux/Lagg6.jpg)

It is known that there will be Lagg-3 in modifications of 3, 35 and 66

So look around for new kit!  ;D

BR Audrius

Hi Audrius, :)
this is very attractive, even if I prefer to wait for ICM kit for comparison. Who knows if this one will have a detailed engine?
It's strange that the same type is discrovered contemporarily by two producers, after a long absence from the market. :-\
Maybe a La-9/11  or Su-2  instead of one of these kits would be good.
Massimo

hi Massimo and board,
here comes more pictures of this Lagg-3 series 4 in 1/8.
It is already known that the name of new producer is SF aka Southern Front translated, from Rostov.
In mid of June it should appear in the shops.

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/senux/fonar.jpg)

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/senux/Lagg7.jpg)

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/senux/priborka.jpg)

BR Audrius

Hi, :)
it looks nice. Three versions should allow to make all other intermediate series with some modifies and kitbashing.
I hope that they will insert skis in some box.
Massimo :)

Very Interesting !
I look forward to this kit.
any idea how much it will cost and most importantly...
will it be available in America ?

hi DGM
on Russian board it's said that the retail cost gonna be ca 15EUR, but that is RU market. I'm pretty sure it will appear on most webshops. So keep tracking :)

BR Audrius

Here it is:
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=SF48001

Hi, :)
nice boxart. I drew a profile of this plane.
Massimo

Have you seen tho other pictures? They don't look very nice ;).

Hi, :)
the images of the pieces, you mean?
Massimo

Yes, I meant images of "dry assembled" parts of the new LaGG model. I see a lot of worki with fitting parts together.

In the near future on russian board there will be a review of this model.
I already have LaGG-3 from SF, and to tell the truth, I not in delight. Most unpleasant that it is longer approximately on 7 mm. and wing span is more approximately on 5 mm. But let's wait the review.

Sergey.

Hi, :)
I'm waiting for a comparison to the announced ICM kit. I expect a better quality.
Was it possible to locate the difference of length in some part of the model?
By the way, I am not so sure that the profile view of Voronin's drawings is perfect. An overposition to photos suggested that the fuselage is a bit too high.
Massimo

Hi Massimo!

I know about mistakes in Voronin's drawings . I yet did not study model in detail, and have just checked up overall dimensions, recognizing that LaGG-3 length is 8.81 m, and wing span 9,8 m.
 If it's interesting, I can to measure separate parts of the model.

Sergey.

Hi Sergey, :)
have you already made or found an analysis of those drawings? I would be very interested in such conclusions. What drawing can be assumed as a good reference for proportions?
I'm nearly sure that the fuselage is too high of 1 mm. I suspect that the nose is a bit short, but I can't be sure because perspective affects the proportions between nose and rear fuselage on profile photos.
Measures of the kit pieces are interesting if one has a reliable drawing for comparison.
Please, let me know.
Massimo

Howdy all!

Just get this SF LaGG and there is good points ( its 1/48 early series ) but also some bad points? ???
Span is ok, 206mm ( 9,98m ), lenght is about 190mm ( 9.12m ), there seems to be some extra millimeters in the nose (?).
Height of fuselage ( after cockpit ) 34mm. Don't have 1/48 drawings, so can't compare that.

Details in the nose are fine, texture of rudder and stabilizers are too delicate, almost invisible.
No texture on radiators, wheels are strange, empty wheel wells, cockpit quite simple,
clear parts unusable: full of distortions.
Decals are printed by Begemont seems to be usable.

Haven't dry fit it yet...? :-\
Well it costed only 10 euros


In the back of box is five profiles. Can't be 100% sure, but four of them looks like Massimo's profiles.? :o
(http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/finbits/sf.jpg)



 :P Jouni

Hi Jouni, :)
happy to read your posts here!
Thank you for your informations on this kit. On the whole, they encourage to wait and see the next ICM model.
I am displeased, in particular, for the bad quality of trasparent parts. Few people love to work with thermoformed pieces...
My profiles? Perhaps. At least, they were useful to someone.
10 euros? Did you buy it in Russia or in Finland?

Massimo :)

here is a crazy idea....
would it be possible to 'steal' parts from this kit and 'graft' (kitbash) it onto the LTD LaGG-3 ?
1) spinner and propeller
2) area above engine with machine gun blisters
3) exhaust stacks
4) rudder mass balances (hinge line needs to be re-scribed)
Falcon makes a vacuum-formed canopy for this plane in this scale (I think !) but it is hard to find
(at least for me)

do you plan on building the kit or not?
I like the Begemot decals and I like the machine from the 13 IAP (white 50/Yellow 4)
if you chose not to build it then please consider putting it in the 'for sale or trade' section of the forum
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Hi, :)
if I don't miss, the LTD kit represents a type 66 with a different style of canopy.
Could you explain the utility of such a kitbashing, please?

Massimo

Have you read this?[/font]

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Modeling/LaGG/LaGG-3/LTD/Vill/index.php

the LTD has the spinner,propeller,canopy and exhausts of the Tbilisi Oblegchenniy but all other features from the mid-production LaGG's. It also has the standard radiator intake , not the enlarged one as on White 57 (Massimo knows the one I mean)

the idea is to retro-fit or back-date the kit into an early production machine.
to address the lack of an early production LaGG-3 in 1/48th scale
the only one I know of is the VP kit (vacuum-form and resin) that has been out of production for many years and is very hard to find.[/font]

Hi DGM, :)
you are writing that none early type LaGG-3 kit exists... but we are just discussing about a newly released one.
Apart the bad quality of clear parts and some suspect of dimensional errors, the model is described as good, probably better than an old short run (if not demonstred otherwise).
Two further variants of the same new kit have to be released for mid and late production plane, and they, right or wrong, will be concordant to this kit.
Besides, a new kit of ICM is on their catalogue.
Of course, you are free to kitbash your kits, but I don't see advantage in this.

Massimo :)

from evil ebay, but it came from Ukraine.? ;D

yep, it will be finished as finnish LG-1

Maybe, but why? It is easy to add details for SF kit.
Making new canopy isn't big deal, I just heat up my vacuform machine....? ;)

There is also Hi-Kit vacuform. I have it and no, it's not for sale. :P

Do you guys more detailed rewiev of SF kit?

Jouni

Hi Jouni, :)
yes, it will be very interesting. Please keep us informed.
Maybe I could upload your review on the LaGG-3 page.
Are you thinking to build it in a brief time?

Massimo :)

OK, I'll write review...

If someone wan this kit, there is one in ebay :
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-48-LaGG-3-New-Best-model-Only-1000-pcs-RARE_W0QQitemZ320012170299QQihZ011QQcategoryZ1189QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hello DGM!!
as Massimo mentioned  already there is no big deal to kitbash SF and LTD kits as SF is alredy of the early , 4th series!
But, perhaps it would be worth to kitbash resin La-5 from Vector (fuselage)  with SF Lagg-3 in order to get a proper geometry kit!! I have heard that the fuselage of SF Lagg-3 is not OK. Sorry no more details, just not mine scale.

BTW it was mentioned that Vector renewed it's work on Lagg-3 in 1/48.


BR Audrius

Hi, :)
I am aware of suspects on the fuselage shape, but I would find concordance on the drawings to be utilized as a base. I suspect that the profile of Voronin is somewhat too fat.
Once identified where and if a fuselage is too long, one can shorten it. I don't love kitbashing. It's expensive, and can give surprises if sections of pieces don't fit. This can't be seen before on drawings. :-\

Massimo :)

Hello,
1) the idea for kitbashing LTD and SF kit was to use the correct dimensions and proporsions of
the LTD kit.
2) until I see the ICM kit on store shelves I will not hold my breath, things that have appeared in catalogs sometimes are not available.
3) thank you for the link, I put in a bid as I have done business with this seller before.


 would it be possible to post pictures of the Hi-Kit?
if you are interested, in my next photo session I could take some pictures of the VP LaGG-3.

I just got one yesterday!

Massimo, some profiles is really yours, and SF says "thanks" to your in instruction

The kit is better that I think, but now we awaitng ICM model. I hear some rumors that it will be in September (as their Bf-109F) and in box wiil be 5 non-transparent sprues (!)

If I'll want make SF, need some part from Vector - control surfaces, vacu canopy & some little, or awaiting Vector.

Hi Michael, :)
here is someone that writes "thanks"!
Have you their mailbox, please? Maybe they will send a sample on request...
My idea is to wait for ICM kit. Maybe they will make a detailed engine...
However, Vector could make a simple correction set for SF model. I don't think that things justify a full resin kit.

Massimo

Hit-Kit LaGG-3. I bought this "second-hand" without decals and late-type canopy.

(http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/finbits/hitkit_1.jpg)
(http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/finbits/hitkit_2.jpg)
(http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/finbits/hitkit_3.jpg)

South Front email:
s-front@mail.ru

Thanks Jouni. I've written to them.
The vacu kit looks fairly good, at a first glance.

Massimo :)

 WOW!
that looks better than the VP kit.
yours has drop tanks,
a metal propeller,
and two radiator intakes.

but ,I notice it has exhaust shield plates and a four-gun cowling of the early machines.
yet,the rudder hinge line , second radiator intake and exhaust are mid-production features.
it seems to me the shields should be sanded away and built as a mid-production plane
just like the LTD kit they have played a game of 'mix-and-match'

Just uploaded SF LaGG_3 review on http://scalemodels.ru/

Auto translate http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ru_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscalemodels.ru%2Farticles%2F148.html

Sorry for bad English of Babelfish :)

Hi Michael, :)
at first glance it looks a long review. I suppose that it describes well the model.
By the way, I had a look at the model of MiG-21 Bis of Zvezda and it looks very good to my eye. Does anyone know anything of this kit?
Massimo

Hoping I 'll find ability & timefor translating this review for you

As about MiG-21 - we also has review by Alexander Pill (Flanker) :)
http://scalemodels.ru/articles/133.html  (use http://babelfish.altavista.com fortranslation)

Possible that new topic is a good idea for another kit?

Spasibo Meesha!
I found some other things interesting there too
(P-39 flown by Dolnikov and Yak-7b flown by Orekhov)

Thank you Michael. :)
Massimo

I have the Zvezda MiG-21Bis, and it's a very good kit indeed, much more accurate in outline than the Fujimi kits.  (..of which I have three!!!)  I have dry-fitted it pretty extensively, and I expect it to assemble with little trouble.  It promises to be a very good one.  Hopefully they'll do am MF/SM as well, as this type is VERY common, and very poorly served in plastic.

Thank you Greg, :)
If I remember well, the Russian review criticized the main wheels that were from an earlier version, but the kit should be good. I have two Fujimi too! Wasted money, they were very expensive at the time I bought them.
Massimo

I've had my three Fujimi kits in the closet for about 10 years now.  I purchased them on sale from a US mail order house caled VLS (acquired some time ago by Squadron, IIRC..) for $11 each, which was a steal.  Didn't really realize then how flawed they were.  One is a SMT version, which I may just build.  Beautiful kits from an engineering standpoint, but a waste otherwise.

Hi Greg,
11 $ is a good price, if compared to 30,000-40,000 Lire that was its price in Italy 15 years ago (about 20 Euros, but a lot of time ago; then it was a price higher than many 1/48 kits).  :-\
Massimo