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Pre-GPW Aviation => Monoplane fighters of '20s and '30s => Topic started by: John Thompson on September 24, 2011, 05:58:40 PM



Title: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: John Thompson on September 24, 2011, 05:58:40 PM
Now I'm working on converting an ICM 1/72 I-16 to a type 29. There are some good drawings in this book:
http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/AirWar/42/index.htm

...on this page:
http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/AirWar/42/Draw/index.htm

Here's a translated version of a page from another volume of the same book (published in 3 volumes) which describes differences among the I-16 types, including the type 29:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wunderwaffe.narod.ru%2FMagazine%2FAirWar%2F43%2F08.htm&act=url

This very large drawing, edited by "mal16" on Scalemodels.ru to show new details of the type 29, was also very helpful:
(http://s2.postimage.org/1vizh5fz8/tip29.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1vizh5fz8/)

Because the addition of the 12.7mm Berezin gun to the underside of the fuselage made it necessary to increase the spacing between the wheel wells by about 80mm, I had to cut the wells out of the wing centre section, then widen their spacing:

(http://s1.postimage.org/134kvpa10/i_16_type_29_model_002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/134kvpa10/)

Here it is with the modified wheel well section inserted, and the scratch-built gun fairing added, still needing a lot of cleaning up:

(http://s2.postimage.org/1lky36o10/i_16_type_29_model_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1lky36o10/)

The type 29 had the oil cooler relocated to make room for the Berezin 12.7mm as well; here's the modified cowling face, so far:

(http://s1.postimage.org/135v6qzus/i_16_type_29_model_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/135v6qzus/)

I really wish Maslov's 2007 book on the I-16, published in Russian by Eksmo, was available in English!

Comments welcome!

John


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: learstang on September 24, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
Nice job so far on your tip 29, John!  I need to get back to my tip 28 (also ICM).

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: John Thompson on September 24, 2011, 10:57:54 PM
Nice job so far on your tip 29, John!  I need to get back to my tip 28 (also ICM).

Regards,

Jason

Thanks, Jason! Right now I've got an obsession for the I-16 - there's this one plus a type 10 that I converted from the ICM kit that needs a bit more sanding here and there before it's ready to paint. Next on the list might be an early type 5 using the Kajuk resin kit that I just received. That one caused me a bit of studying - because he seems to have used the same wings that he cast for his type 4, the type 5 kit has the early wings with 11 ribs each, not the later, strengthened wing with 22 upper-surface ribs (1938 version, according to the drawings I linked in my original post in this thread). It's hard to find photos of any type 5's which definitely have the early wing. Going by the instructions with the Begemot I-16 decal sheet, it seems that a type 5 from the Khalkin Gol campaign might be a possibility, but the one I'm liking right now is this one; the early wing rib configuration is clearly visible in the photo:
http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/AS-13_002.html

The Begemot sheet includes decals for it, although the inscriptions are in white, and the inscription shown in the photo doesn't look very white to me, certainly not as bright as the 11 on the tail. I'll also need the Quickboost resin I-16 skis and some further studying to figure out how the elastic cords on the skis are rigged up!

Of course, I might be forced to go back to Mr Kozyrev and order a type 4, too... ;)

John


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: mbittner on September 24, 2011, 11:51:55 PM
Resin cast it, John, for the rest of us.  ;)


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: learstang on September 25, 2011, 12:35:03 AM
John, I seem to remember someone doing this very same aeroplane in 1/32nd scale.  Unfortunately I can't remember where now so I suppose it doesn't really help you.  If I remember, I'll post the link or perhaps you've already seen what I'm talking about.  It would be nice if Mr. Kozyrev did the tip 4 in resin!  I'd get one.  And Matt, nice to see you're still lurking around!

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: John Thompson on September 25, 2011, 12:42:55 AM
Resin cast it, John, for the rest of us.  ;)

Hi Matt! I actually did think of that (very briefly!), but I don't have the courage or patience to face the learning curve required to produce anything useful. The wing would be especially challenging - it would have to be a full replacement for the corresponding ICM part. There's certainly an opportunity there for anyone with the skills to create a series of modification sets for the ICM I-16 kits, though. I recall that Airwaves did an extremely nice 1/48 type 29 (as well as types 5 and 10) conversion for the Hobbycraft "Ishak", but I don't think they ever got around to doing any in the correct scale!

John


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: John Thompson on September 25, 2011, 01:04:00 AM
It would be nice if Mr. Kozyrev did the tip 4 in resin!

He does; let me see if I can find some proof...

Here it is - this is the generic instruction sheet which he uses for both his type 4 and his type 5 kits:

(http://s2.postimage.org/1rzxhbmzo/instr_16_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1rzxhbmzo/)

Also an image of his kit box - note the (upside down) resin kit list, which includes both types separately:

(http://s3.postimage.org/1bebb0o1w/Catalog_KAJUK_copy2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1bebb0o1w/)

Now - how many can I put you down for? ;)

John


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: learstang on September 25, 2011, 01:08:32 AM
Depends on how much bob are we talking about.  He doesn't by any chance do the TB-1 in resin, does he?

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: John Thompson on September 25, 2011, 01:18:54 AM
Depends on how much bob are we talking about.  He doesn't by any chance do the TB-1 in resin, does he?

Regards,

Jason

The type 5 was $31, plus mailing costs. I don't know if I posted this somewhere before, but here's his vacuform catalog; it includes the TB-1, but so far, no resin version:

(http://s3.postimage.org/1bftvr4ck/Catalog_KAJUK_copy1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1bftvr4ck/)

John


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: learstang on September 25, 2011, 02:24:50 AM
That's not too bad; I'll have to keep that I-16 kit in mind.  Regarding the TB-1, I remember seeing that vacuform catalogue, that's why I was hoping he'd also done it in resin, like he has with the I-16.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: marluc on September 25, 2011, 01:11:21 PM
John,nice project and a good conversion work so far.It would be great to see that Type 10 too.Greetings.

Martin


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 25, 2011, 07:31:40 PM
Hi John,
is this resin I-16 type 5 better than the plastic model of Amodel?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: John Thompson on September 26, 2011, 02:01:29 AM
John,nice project and a good conversion work so far.It would be great to see that Type 10 too.Greetings.

Martin

Thanks, Martin! I keep discovering things I didn't know about the type 29 - it's becoming a very interesting project. I'll post some more images and some images of the type 10 when I get time.

Hi John,
is this resin I-16 type 5 better than the plastic model of Amodel?
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo! Personally, I think it's better than the Amodel kit; again, when I get time (I'm hoping to do one more canoe trip this week, although there's rain in the weather forecast) I'll take some photos of the parts and post them. Don't buy one yet! ;) As I mentioned before, the one I got has the early type 4 style wings with half the number of upper-surface wing ribs compared to later type 5's. This was a bit of a surprise - I know Kozyrev makes a later wing with 22 ribs, because I've seen an image of it. Also, the vacuformed canopy is made from very thin material, much thinner than most other canopies of this type, so I'm not sure what it will be like to work with. That won't matter if I build it as the aircraft I mentioned in my earlier post, because that aircraft had the later-style windscreen, which I can get from an ICM I-16.

John


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 26, 2011, 07:26:34 AM
Hi John,
I think that good vacuform canopies for I-16s, particularly for earlier versions, should be much needed. Do you know if anyone produces them?
Wings with 11 ribs for type 4... who knows if it's an error of packaging?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: marluc on September 26, 2011, 03:27:54 PM
Hi John:

It's hard to find photos of any type 5's which definitely have the early wing.

Not of a very good quality pictures,but this Type 5 looks to have the "early" wing:

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z27/marluc_foto/polikarpov/I-16/I-16Typ5_red7.jpg)

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z27/marluc_foto/polikarpov/I-16/I-16Typ5_red7_2.jpg)

Hope it helps,greetings.

Martin



Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: learstang on September 26, 2011, 05:51:00 PM
Interesting pictures, Martin.  I notice the "trapeze" apparatus on the nose; this may be one of the tip 5's used with the "Zveno" TB-3.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 26, 2011, 08:17:39 PM
Hi Martin,
interesting photos indeed. Is there any caption?

Hi Jason,
Supports for the Zveno project? They looks so thin... did they support all the weight of the plane?

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: learstang on September 26, 2011, 10:51:25 PM
They do look rather thin to me - but what else would they be?  Strangely, there appear to be some wires bracing the nose structure to the wing, and there's also a structure on the vertical tail.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: marluc on September 27, 2011, 02:23:40 PM
Hi Martin,
interesting photos indeed. Is there any caption?

Massimo,you can see the pictures with captions here: http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1178.0

I?ve opened a new thread where we could discuss all the topics related to the Type 5.Greetings.

Martin



Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: John Thompson on September 30, 2011, 03:52:25 PM
John,nice project and a good conversion work so far.It would be great to see that Type 10 too.Greetings.

Martin

Hi Martin! Here I am back from Algonquin Park; didn't get eaten by bears, but I did get absolutely soaked with rain on Tuesday. But, a bad day canoeing is better than a good day at work, as long as no one drowns... A bit of scenery, for your entertainment:

(http://s4.postimage.org/94etbyzo/Algon_quin_Oct_2011_072.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/94etbyzo/)
(http://s2.postimage.org/xy5espyc/Algon_quin_Oct_2011_037.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xy5espyc/)

Beginning of one of the portages - it did get better, though:

(http://s4.postimage.org/98be0gys/Algon_quin_Oct_2011_030.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/98be0gys/)

My "delivery system" - 2000 Jeep Cherokee with factory heavy-duty options and Novacraft Bob Special canoe:

(http://s4.postimage.org/99lp26sk/Algon_quin_Oct_2011_002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/99lp26sk/)

Did I mention that it rained? I took this while crouched under the canoe when I got caught by the storm halfway back to my campsite and had to take refuge on shore:

(http://s4.postimage.org/9aai4e78/Algon_quin_Oct_2011_064.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9aai4e78/)

Anyway, enough of that! ;)

Here's the type 10; some parts - the underside cowling section is from an Amodel type 5:

(http://s2.postimage.org/xn7sw4f8/Update_6_013.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xn7sw4f8/)

Two images showing where it's at right now:

(http://s4.postimage.org/8j1sfld0/I_16_various_004.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8j1sfld0/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/xnrncack/I_16_various_005.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xnrncack/)


Hi John,
I think that good vacuform canopies for I-16s, particularly for earlier versions, should be much needed. Do you know if anyone produces them?
Wings with 11 ribs for type 4... who knows if it's an error of packaging?
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo - no, no one currently makes a vacuformed early I-16 canopy, at least not in 1/72, anyway. I wish they did! Yes, it's possible Alexander sent me the wrong wings, but that's okay - I always wanted to build a really early type 5. Here is an image of the kit contents,as I promised:

(http://s2.postimage.org/xnwlybtw/I_16_various_002.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xnwlybtw/)

I tried to take a photo of the canopy, but nothing I did with the angle of lighting would work because the canopy is too shiney to show any details very well.

Here's another one, showing the wing undersides and the cowling face. The openings in the cowling face include half-open engine temperature control shutters which have a thin film of resin in the open part; you can see where I started to remove this on one of them:

(http://s2.postimage.org/xo4vn2as/I_16_various_003.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xo4vn2as/)

More comments about the kit:
- All the trailing edges are really thin and sharp edged, so very good.
- It's unfortunate that the elevators are in one piece with the stabilizers, since this makes it difficult to build the model with the elevators sagging at a slight angle, as most (all?) I-16 photos show, but I think I have a solution...
- The parts in the top right-hand corner are the landing gear components - two resin main struts and some steel wire for the secondary struts. I would take these parts from an ICM I-16 for easier assembly.
- The rectangular piece between the left fuselage half and the horizontal tailplanes is a shaped piece of resin which has the outlines of the landing gear doors molded into it so you can cut them out. Again, I think it would be easier to use the ICM parts.
- I did get a decal sheet, but it's a generic sheet of red stars of different kinds from Prop&Jet (printed by Begemot), with no individual aircraft markings.

I've already started cleaning up some of the parts to test-fit them; this is the first time I've tried to build a full resin kit, so of course I sanded too much off the mating surface of one of the fuselage halves! I'm sure I can repair it, though...  ::)

John


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 30, 2011, 08:25:43 PM
Hi John,
interesting photos. The resin model doesn't look bad, but having ICM kits to sacrifice is a bit sad.
About your nice conversion of type 10: the plastic is of many different colors. From which kit is each piece from?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: John Thompson on September 30, 2011, 08:47:01 PM
About your nice conversion of type 10: the plastic is of many different colors. From which kit is each piece from?
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo! Except for the underside of the cowling (Amodel type 5), all the other parts are ICM; the kits were released in grey or white at different times.

John


Title: Re: ICM 1/72 I-16 type 29 Conversion
Post by: marluc on October 01, 2011, 02:11:58 PM
John,your Type 10 is really nice,good work and thanks for showing it to us.Greetings.

Martin