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Pre-GPW Aviation => Monoplane fighters of '20s and '30s => Topic started by: ChristianK on October 28, 2011, 02:42:40 PM



Title: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: ChristianK on October 28, 2011, 02:42:40 PM
Hi all,
I am looking for more info on or photos of this particularly marked I-16, presumably photographed at Orscha:

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/btdaumann/3.jpg)
(http://reibert.info/forum/showthread.php?t=168566 (http://reibert.info/forum/showthread.php?t=168566)

Can anyone help?

Regards,
Christian


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: learstang on October 28, 2011, 05:48:04 PM
Because it has the forward-sliding enclosed canopy, it's an early type 5, but you probably already knew that.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: ChristianK on October 28, 2011, 05:59:32 PM
I am afraid you are right, Jason. I should have made it more clear: I am looking mainly for unit/markings info. But thanks anyway!

Regards,
Christian


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 05, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
Hi Christian,
the photo is very interesting for the markings depicted. Has any new information emerged?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: ChristianK on November 05, 2011, 02:15:13 PM
Hi Massimo,
not as yet, sorry!

Regards,
Christian


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: ChristianK on June 01, 2012, 12:08:15 PM
Hi all,

just for the record and in case you have missed it: http://www.ebay.de/itm/190680532111?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/btdaumann/IMG_11.jpg)

No new information regarding the unit, though.

Regards,
Christian


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: learstang on June 01, 2012, 07:22:04 PM
Those kooky German soldiers and their souvenir-hunting!  Well, at least their family survivors got to keep a genuine Soviet red star to remember their Fritz by.  (Yes I know soldiers on all sides took souvenirs, but the arrogance and racism of the German soldiers towards the Soviets/Russians was striking, even by the low standards of the 1940's, a point that's being reinforced by a book I'm currently reading about the Battle for Moscow.)

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: KL on June 01, 2012, 08:16:56 PM
Misha Timin says it was airfield Orsha-Balbasovo.

(http://f1.s.qip.ru/02J3Bj.jpg)

И-16 скорее всего - матчасть 160 и 161 ИАП 43 ИАД (хотя возможно какие то неисправные машины могли остаться и от более ранних формирований), И-16 позднего типа 161 ИАП, И-153 из 160 ИАП.

(http://f3.s.qip.ru/02MjGn.jpg)
(http://f2.s.qip.ru/02MjGl.jpg)
(http://f3.s.qip.ru/02MjGr.jpg)
(http://f2.s.qip.ru/ZU0L5Dgb.jpg)
(http://f1.s.qip.ru/ZU0L5Dga.jpg)

I-16s most likely belonged to 160th and 161st iap of 43rd iad (although it was possible that some unserviceable planes could have been left by earlier units).
I-16 Type 29 (upright plane standing on its nose, tail No 7) belonged to 161st iap.  I-153s belonged to 160th iap.

HTH!!!  :)


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: ChristianK on May 10, 2013, 12:42:14 PM
Hi all,
I found some new piece of info on this particular marking here: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_4735_start_1120.html (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_4735_start_1120.html) (scroll down)

The similarities between "3-1" and "5-1" are obvious - so could "3-1" have been a plane of 22 IAP? Where was this regiment stationed in 1941? The speculation about the white fuselage band indicating rocket-carrying aircraft is also interesting...

Regards,
Christian


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 10, 2013, 01:08:42 PM
Hi Christian,
there are photos of both planes at

http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i16/i16painting/I16painting.htm (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i16/i16painting/I16painting.htm)

The text is:
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5-1 looks a type 17; this was the plane of 2nd leutnant Katalov of 22th IAP crashed during the fights against Japaneses in Nomonhan, Manchuria, in 1939.

The planes were delivered to the unit in a light grey livery, but this resembled the colors of Japanese Ki-27, leading to dangerous misunderstandings. So the uppersurfaces were repainted green, leaving only a light grey band around the fuselage.

The characteristic n.51 (or 5-1?) shows two different sizes for the digits; these digits are aligned on their top (differently from what we see in some profiles); their different size could be determined by the space available. It's unknown how the numbers appeared on the other side.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha
Post by: ChristianK on May 10, 2013, 01:19:49 PM
Oops, thanks for the hint, Massimo. But anyway, is the presence of a 22nd IAP plane at Orscha in 1941 a valid possibility?