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It seems serious, Tamiya made a new IL-2 at 1/48 scale...
the nose shows that it's not the accurate miniature kit, but a really new one...

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/gtypecanare/IMAG1120.jpg)

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/gtypecanare/IMAG1118.jpg)

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/gtypecanare/IMAG1119.jpg)

seen in ARC
http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=248089&pid=2358863&st=0&#entry2358863 (http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=248089&pid=2358863&st=0&#entry2358863)

and in scalemodels.ru
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_38649.html (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_38649.html)

I think it's the first WWII soviet plane made by Tamiya...
the choise off the model is very strange; the accurate/Eduard/Italeri one was quite good...
Why didn't they do an pretty yak-9T for exemple?

Anyway, happy christmas Learstang!!!

Xan

I read on another website that Academy will be releasing a reboxed Accurate Miniatures IL-2 with Cartograf decals, so it looks like 2012 might be a good year for those of us who like the IL-2.

Thank you Xan and TD for the good news!  Now if only someone would release a new straight-winged two-seater in 1/72nd scale (for which I know Academy have the moulds).  Although I tend to stay away from 1/48th scale (I'm too much of a collector, and too little of a builder in that scale), I will buy this kit.

Regards,

Jason

Looks to me as if they are giving us another 'arrow'. Do I see that correctly?
Also, how about the wood/metal fuse/wing combos, if you can guess from these photos.

I can't wait for some better shots!
Learstang, I suppose this release delays your book yet again eh?  ;D

Kevin, the sun rising every day delays my book!  No really, I do have a book, really...  Regarding the Tamiya kit, it does appear to be an arrow.  Whether it has the proper wooden fuselage is another matter,  I can't really tell for certain from the test shots I've seen.  It does appear to have metal wings, which is fine, as I believe the majority of arrows featured the metal wings.  Although 1/48th scale isn't really my thing, I will buy this kit when it comes out.  Research for the book, don't you know!

Regards,

Jason

Good news is the due date is June.

It had better be really different or improved in some manner over the AM rendition.
Hannants just posted that their expected price is L55, about $88usd. My AM Sturmoviks with Vector and eduard goodies still came in well under that. I'm sure I'll eventually break down & spring for one, but unless Squadron does one of their occasional dumps, I'll only be springing for one.

Speaking of Squadron dumps, I once scored a Tamiya D-520 for $11 and the Beaufighter for $12. It's hard to pay a reasonable price for something when you got away with deals like those.

Tamiya Il-2 model presented at http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10183392
Note Japanese spelling in English - Shutorumobiku  :)
and in Japanese letters:  イリューシン IL-2 シュトルモビク (プラモデル)  ???

Inspite of all the research and team in Russia, Tamiya has plane's name wrong!
(http://www.1999.co.jp/itbig18/10183392b9.jpg)

Officially, the plane was known as Il-2.  Nothing more and nothing less.

1.  It wasn't Ilyshin Il-2.  Ilyushin was chief designer but his surname wasn't part of plane's name.  Mistake is common, it is the same as saying Horikoshi A6M Fighter, or Schmued P-51 Fighter

2.  It was Il-2 with lower case "l", not capital "L"

3.  "Shturmovik" means "attack plane".  It did became a popular name for Il-2, same as "Stuka" for Junkers Ju-87.  Other planes designed for same role, like Su-6, were also known as "Shturmovics".  it would not be incorrect if "Shturmovik" was omitted...

In Soviet Union/Russia, boxarts, books, etc usually reffer only to Il-2, without "Ilyushin", sometimes without "Shturmovik"

(http://img03.avito.ru/images/big/108827857.jpg)

(http://asset0.torrentino.com/covers/000/601/064/original.jpg?1283364897)

(http://5mir.ru/UserFiles/Image/img1960_38262.jpg)

Whether it's Shutorumobiku (which I rather like), or the Flying Kettle (I made that one up), mine is on the way.  Actually, Das Fliegende Kessel has a certain ring to it.  Maybe if I repeat it enough, like the bogus designations "Il-2M" and "Il-2m3" it will attain acceptance.

Regards,

Jason

Shutorumobiku is OK and cute.
Things are changing -  nowdays I-16 is not associated with "Rata" so intensely.
One day Tamiya and western modelers will get used to something like Il-2 Attack Aircraft - no need to memorize strange Russian word (Shtoor... what?).

Another Tamiya's mistake:
Painting instruction includes a paragraph about Il-2 camouflage.  Note "Green and Brown camouflaged upper surfaces" !!!   :-\
(http://www.1999.co.jp/itbig18/10183392t2.jpg)

Konstantin, if they're still using the brown/green scheme in the instructions, that is bad.  I'll give a report on the kit on this site when I receive it.  Hopefully I'll receive it this week.  No doubt they'll get some things wrong, but hopefully they won't be major problems (like metal fuselages on two-seaters!).  Interestingly, the posted photographs of the built-up Tamiya model show a reasonably well-done three-colour scheme.

Regards,

Jason

Reading that over, it looks like they just mention the brown/green scheme for the early Il-2's, which is of course completely wrong.  Even if it doesn't affect the painting of this model, it's a shame that they continue to spread this nonsense about the brown/green scheme.

Regards,

Jason

Edit...
Now I read the offending line, so I 'll have to edit this.... [note to self, never post before drinking enough coffee]

 they have made a good attempt at matching the 3 colour scheme it in the diagram you show, but you have to look up the damn colours!
Note
XF-24 dark grey
XF-58 Dark green
XF-52 flat earth [5 parts] + XF 59 Desert yellow [1 part]

Oh, and XF-23 light blue for the AMT-7

I think there are better mixes, but this is at least in the area of a AMT1/4/12 scheme.


T

I presume XF are Tamiya paints.  I'm tempted to purchase them to see how closely they correlate to my paint choices - all Testors Model Master flat enamel paints - Gunship Gray for AMT-12, '42 Afrika Dunkelgrau for AMT-1, Interior Green for AMT-4, and Russian Topside Blue for AMT-7 (I also use Neutral Gray for A-14 - I wonder what their callout is for the interior colour?).

Regards,

Jason

Jason,

XF are indeed Tamiya colors. The paints are wonderful concerning airbrushing. The pigments are very fine and forgiving in usage and mixture. Nevertheless if you can give a good reference which colors can be used that would be great.

Michel

Well, I just received the kit, and it looks very nice.  I will give a full review on it in the next few days.  Tamiya paints are acrylic, aren't they, Michel?  I tend to stay away from acrylics as they don't work well with my airbrush.  That's why I use Testors; they work well with my Badger 150 airbrush.

Regards,

Jason

Hi Jason
I have seen mixes for Tamiya paint for some VVS colours,  the one given for the blue mix adds white [10%]and blue[5%] to XF 23, and a 10% black to XF-5 Green,  from memory, and I have not mixed them up as yet to compare to AKAN.
The AMT 12 mix used the blue mix plus black,from a posting on ARC forum.
I didn't see a mix for AMT-1.

One thing that you can do with Tamiya acrylic is use laquer thinners, which makes it quite 'hot' and goes off fast.  It does do away with the lack of noxious solvent advatage of acrylic but you might wish to experiment.

You can also buy retarder for acrylic paint, which slows the drying time a little. 

HTH
T

That's the problem, Troy.  I don't mix paints (I know I'll never be able to mix it up properly again), and I don't use acrylics because it seems every person has their own personal "magic" to get them to work with airbrushes.  What I like about Testors enamels is I can use one thinner for cleaning my regular brushes, my airbrush, and thinning my paints.  No standing on my head whilst repeating an incantation in Old Welsh to get the acrylic not to clog my airbrush.  I know some people swear by acrylics; I just swear at them.  I did find out that the interior colour callout is XF 22, which is RLM Grey - too greenish for my tastes.  I'll stick with Neutral Grey.

By the way, I'm having a good butcher's at the Tamiya Il-2 and it looks a real treat.  It's not perfect, but it is the best Il-2 kit I've seen to date (and I've pretty much seen them all).  More to follow.

Regards,

Jason

Jason,

indeed and the thing is that you'll have to learn how to use them like Vallejo Airs which are wonderful or the MM and Aeromaster paints.
Because my other hobby is or was airbrush I've learned to use acrylics.
Acrylics have the tendency drying at the tip of the nozzle and if not well diluted can give some problems.
So the best trick for that is just keep the tip of the nozzle clean.
But a good airbrush does wonders. I used to have a Badger 150.
Now I've got the Tamiya XF for varnishes and stuff like that and 2x Iwata SB's which are simply amazing.
If you got any questions regarding airbrush I surely will answer them gladly. :D

Michel

Hey Learstang!
Tamiya will do an IL-2 at 1/72 scale in febrery!!!
http://www.hlj.com/product/tam60781 (http://www.hlj.com/product/tam60781)

Xan

Someone else had posted that Tamiya were going to release this in 1/72nd scale, but there was no price.  ~$20USD is a very good price!  I hope they stick by it.  I for one can't wait - now if they'll only release the other versions, in all three main scales (including this one), then I'll be happy.  Thank you for posting the link, Xan!

Best Regards,

Jason

In 1/48 at $88, does it offer a significantly better kit than the AM?  Because I have four of those (two single seaters, two two-seaters), and got them for like $10-15 a pop.  I can't see shelling out $88 for a fifth kit.

John, you can actually pick one up cheaper.  I've seen them on eBay for $42USD plus $17 shipping.  Still a lot more than your AM kits.  It is a better kit, but the AM kit is still a nice kit (and AM got the cannon shell ejection chutes on the wing undersides correct, which almost no one ever does).

Regards,

Jason

Think I'll stick with those, then.  I'm having a hard enough time getting around to the ones I have...

Wise.  And cheaper, too!  I have to admit, even though I have Eduard's excellent "kit-bash" of the straight-winged two-seater (if you don't have it, they combined the parts from the AM single-seater and arrow, along with some nice PE parts), I might buy a Tamiya kit of this same version.  But then, for me, it's more a matter of professional curiosity/necessity.  I can't review kits if I don't have them.

Regards,

Jason