Sovietwarplanes

Hi,

I'm currently busy re-working my Il-2 in a winter camo.
For the moment I already did some airbrushing on the underside and first weathering.
The picture of the wing is a little bit too dark to notice the different tones.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1138.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1137.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1136.jpg)

Michel

Looks nice, Michel!  If those are rust stains, however, I'm not so sure about that.  I don't think the Soviets would have allowed the armour to rust - I realise that armoured vehicles often had rust, but the armoured front end of the Il-2 comprised the actual structure of the aeroplane, so any rusting could have compromised that structure, leading to catastrophic failure (remember that the steel armour on the Shturmovik was much thinner than that on a T-34, for example).  Another thing is I'm not sure most Il-2's lasted long enough for them to build up much rust!

Regards,

Jason

Jason,

that's not rust but dirt and dust representation. A kind of weahtering.
I've got a picture where you can see a brown build up.

Michel

Well, that's different, Michel!  The Shturmoviks undoubtedly got dirty.  Would you post that picture?

Regards,

Jason

Jason,

I'll still have to airbrush it more in black so you'll see the definitive result soon.

Michel

Hi Michel,
but what version of Il-2 is it? The wingtip balances are for singleseater metal-wing Il-2s, but the style of star was introduced in late 1943, when these planes were out of production. Please, keep us informed on the plane you have to reproduce.
Regards
Massimo

Massimo,

This was the all metal Il-2 single seater from AM but the one I'm going to make is this one

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/ScreenHunter_14Jul051442.jpg)

The stars where from the previous one so if you can help me it would be great. ???
I already filled the panellines of the rear fuselage.
Thanks to Jason to point it out to me. :D

Michel

Hi Michel,
well, the photos show only the rear fuselage. It's reasonable to suppose that the wings were metallic, unclear if with 20 or 23 mm guns. The red stars under the wing could be plain, or with thin black outline, or with thin white outline (a frequent mark of zavod 18). Not with thick white and red contour. I think you would be better to change the stars under the wings.

Photos show the number 2 parallel to the ground, not to the flight line.
I don't think that the slogan was on the left side as drawn. Who would have gone to paint it under the tail surface?
Regards
Massimo

unerside blue looks too light.   ???  It should look like this

(http://dishmodels.ru/picture/wlk/00/00416/w00416_2434652.jpg)

HTH,   :)
KL

Michel!


As I know there was no dustfilter at the root of the wing of the early IL-2.

Istv

KL,

it looks indeed like that but the light of the picture doesn't give the correct color and also the weathering isn't very clear.
I'm sorry about that.
You need to see it in real.

Michel

Considering the fact that it will be difficult to make an early Il-2 I've got to reconsider my attempt to make that specific model. :-X
So if anyone can point me out to decals that I can use for my AM Il-2 that would be alot of help. ???
My priority is a one that has a winter camo.

Hi Michel, hi all,
here is a plane that could be good for your model. It's a late Il-2 with metal wing, 23 mm guns, filter and external aiming device ; I'm not fully sure about the aiming lines painted on its nose. You have to omit the gunsight inside the windshield.  You have to delete the small balances under the ailerons, that were only on very early Il-2s.
As usual, it's a drawing made for the book of Jason.
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-borodin6-jason.jpg)
Regards
Massimo

Michel, for a little background on that aeroplane, it was flown by A.I. Borodin, a Hero of the Soviet Union, and this is how the aircraft appeared at Stalingrad, winter of 42/43.  By this time, it definitely would have had the external carburettor intake filter.

Regards,

Jason

Massimo and Jason,

that's a great looking Il-2. :D
So the only thing I need is a white 6 or is it yellow 6. ???
Thanks. ;D

Michel

Hi Michel,
I think that the 6 is silver, because its darkness changes by much in the available photos. Note that the stars have a white outline, on which the white camouflage is overposed.
Regards
Massimo

Michel, it should probably be a silver or white "6".  I need to change the bort on my model - I did it in 1/72nd scale, using the nice Smer kit.  The decal sheet actually had it in both yellow and silver, but I chose yellow instead.  As you might have read on this site, yellow probably wasn't used that much for Soviet markings because it was the Axis identifying colour on the Eastern Front, and there was always the possibility of friendly fire if you used too much yellow on your VVS aeroplane.  Below are in-flight photographs of this aeroplane.

Regards,

Jason

(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/Learstang/IL-2-1-Seater-BorodinsPlane3JPEG.jpg)

(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/Learstang/IL-2-1-Seater-BorodinsPlaneinFlight.jpg)

Jason,

I saw indeed your Il-2 in 1/72nd scale that's the reason why I asked it.
The only thing is that I've got to make the number 6 itself.
So I see how to do that.
Are those numbers normally the same shape?

Michel

Glad to hear that my model inspired you!  Regarding the borts, unfortunately they seem to vary from polk (regiment) to polk.  I don't believe these were ever done at the factory, but were painted once they reached their polk.  There doesn't seem to be any one standard.  You really have to look at individual photographs of the aeroplane you wish to do.  Of course, the borts on a single aeroplane were painted in the same style on each side.  Some may have been from templates, whereas some were obviously hand-painted.

Regards,

Jason

All four photos of Borodin's "silver? 6" from http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1001.0

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o92/DrRaptor/reference/Rus_Il_2_2-1.jpg)
(http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=408652&d=1268218462)
(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/Learstang/IL-2-1-Seater-BorodinsPlane3JPEG.jpg)
(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/Learstang/IL-2-1-Seater-BorodinsMachineJPEG.jpg)

I can't see any evidences of the "white outlined red star".  IMHO there were plain red stars with no outlines (as per 1941 recommendations).
Definitelly field applied washable MK-7 on wings and rear fuselage.  Real problem here is the transition between white MK-7 and green-black nose - it is not clear on photos...  I would try with sharp border at least on wings and with cockpit framing....

HTH,
KL

The plane has metal wings, so it was built by Z.18. This factory painted white outlines on all the stars of its Il-2. If the white outline isn't evident on photos, probably it is hidden by the winter white paint that can be more invasive of what is represented on the drawing.
The star under the wings of planes built in this factory can show the same white border, but I am not sure it was on all. The possible alternative could be a black outline.
Regards
Massimo

@Jason,
well I just have to make a template for it. I'm not able to paint this by hand and make something of it that looks like a number '6'. :D

@KL,
thanks for the pictures but doesn't it be merely guessing to use a sharp border on the wings? If I understand it correctly what you mean of  course. :D
You probably would be right that the MK-7 would have had a sharp border in the beginning but as you can see on the fuselage it's all faded and weathered which results in a non sharp bordered outline between the MK-7 and the green/black camo.

@Massimo,
I'll leave my white outlined stars under the wings on. Thanks for clearing that out.
And it does mean that all the other stars also have white outlines?

Thanks for the input.

Michel

Hi Michel,
I think that the white on the half fuselage was sprayed with a very soft line. Probably it was repainted by brush close to the stars and on the sides, possibly covering the original white outline and arriving to the red.
About the stars under the wings, I strongly suggest to change them. It is very possible that they had white outline, but very thin and without the red outline. That type of star was introduced around August 1943.
Regards
Massimo

Massimo,

Damn and I thought I didn't have to change them. :-\
I see how to arrange that...
So I need a red star which has to cover the red outline.

Michel

IF this was an Il-2 with metal wings, Red Stars were lake this:

(http://dishmodels.ru/picture/wlk/00/00416/w00416_7303541.jpg)


On wings, close to the fuselage, border between white MK-7 and black/green camouflage was a line - it wasn't sprayed or "leopard skin" (as seen on Jason's model)

(http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=408652&d=1268218462)

Rear fuselage was sprayed - transition to unprayed forward fuselage is wide and gradual like on Massimo's profile.

Hi,
it was certainly a metal wing, because wooden wings didn't have mass balances at their tip.
Yes, the thin white outline around the stars is characteristic of the production of Z.18. Good photo.
IMHO, the line on the wing  of the plane inflight is the shadow of the fuselage.
Regards
Massimo

Concerning the MK-7 on the wings it's guessing how it was applied on the wings and how far? ???
Because I'm just wondering how you can see how far the MK-7 was applied.
You can see only pictures from the side and not from the top.
I'm not a pro like you all...

I agree with Massimo; that line on the wing looks like a shadow.  I'll admit my camouflage on the wings is somewhat conjectural, but I made it appear to be a worn/mixed transition from the MK-7 to the black/green camouflage based on the appearance of the fuselage, where this appears to be the case.

Regards,

Jason

Michel, if you look at all the photographs Konstantin helpfully posted, I think you can see that the aft wingroot was white, but if you look at the leading edges of the wings, the front of the undercarriage pods seem to have the black/green camouflage.  From this, it seems that Massimo's and my reconstruction of the topside camouflage is plausible, at least.  It's hard to to tell the exact pattern for the black/green camouflage, so my interpretation is something of a guess.  One thing to remember is that these photographs may very well have been taken at different times, so the weathering of the MK-7 would have been different.

Regards,

Jason

There is a shadow - it's black area close to fuselage.  Then there is a gray band = green/black camouflage.  Some 0.5m of the wing trailing edge is left camouflaged in green/black.

(http://reibert.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=408652&d=1268218462)

KL,

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/7.jpg)

To make things clear.

1. shadow
2. green/black
3. MK-7

Is this what you mean?

Michel

I think that 2 is the white part on shadow, while 1 looks the black-green part. The photo is taken against the sunlight, the plane is dark on a shining background.
Regards
Massimo

Yes Michel, that?s exactly what I meant!

KL

If 2 is white, entire wing root is white and Jason's model and your top view are not likely.
If 1 is black/green, where does wing MK-7 start?

Massimo, on your top view, black/green should be extended to the wing trailing edge.  It's a minor modification...  and if you want everything to fit, you will make border between MK-7 and black/green on wings as a line, not as a gradual/sprayed transition...  :)

(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-borodin6-jason.jpg)

HTH,
KL

Hi,
I see, the drawing is not convincing in that wingroots. It would be good to understand better which is the real shadow, and what is the influence of fumes on this part.
Regards
Massimo

KL,

can you make correction to Massimo's profile view of the Il-2 how you think the line from the MK-7 needs to be?
Then everything becomes more clear.
I think that how Massimo represents the line is more mottling due to weathering conditions.
But it must be more like a line.

Michel

I think that the white layer, very soft, should start to the side of the windshield and come down to the wing.  1 is the effect of exhaust fumes and 2 is the shadow on the white. Probably the white is more worn on the left side, where the pilot enters the canopy.
Regards
Massimo

No 1 is shadow.  Similar shadow is visible on tailplane - this can not be effect of exaust fumes.

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/Borodin_Il2_shadows.jpg)

modifications to Massimo's drawing are minimal - extend black/green to wing trailing edge and make MK-7 border on wings as a line.
On the port side, sprayed MK-7 border is pulled slightly more towards the tail.

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-borodin6-mod.jpg)

Hope it's clear now...  :)
KL

Question:
What do you think, what was the reason to leave forward fuselage and cockpit canopy on this Il-2 in its original black/green camouflage??
  

Konstantin, it may have been to break up the outline of the aeroplane, and/or to camouflage it over incompletely snow-covered terrain, although I would think white bands or splotches would have been better for that.  Perhaps the tarpaulin used over the nose during winter wore away the MK-7 so much that in this case they didn't even bother to apply it.  The same could go for the wingroots, which we know became heavily weathered, especially the port wingroot.  Hmmm, you may be correct about your interpretation of the MK-7 coverage.  You make a good case - I may have to repaint this model (a little).

Regards,

Jason

IMHO, Borodin's Il-2 was one of the planes that were only partially painted in temp white MK-7:

(http://www.user.dccnet.com/russianfront/jpegs/Sturmovik%20crashed%20in%20winter.jpg)
(http://www.virtualsky.ru/images/page_img/423.jpg)
(http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AV/AV09-1/17-1.jpg)

How white protective colour worked can be found in 1943 Il-2 maintenance manual, avialable on the web:
http://mikro-mir.com/?start=88

KL

Massimo, check your Il-2 photos:  in general staining is limited to the area above exhaust pipes, rarely it extrends under the canopy.  I could not find a single case where staining would extend all way to wing trailing edge.  Shturmovik wasn't the dirtiest plane ever...  ;D

Following is one of the worse cases of exhaust staining:

(http://s011.radikal.ru/i316/1206/67/57dd49d31728.jpg)

note black/green rear fuselage attached to a plane painted in white MK-7 ... almost everything was posible...  ;)

KL,

this makes it very clear.
Thanks for running the extra mile for this. ;D
And I love those extra pictures.
And many thanks for the link about how the MK-7 was applied. :D
Concerning why they left the forward fuselage in the original camo I'm not sure. ??? There are other examples on Mig-3's or La-5's where they do this on the whole plane. Maybe they hadn't enough MK-7 so they used it only the aft because the forward section like the cockpit, wing roots and engine will weather rapidly?

Michel

Hi,
this half-white n.5 is very interesting, new for me. It worths a profile, no doubt. Looks made by joining pieces of two planes.

To paint in white the rear part of the plane only was usual enough. It could also be made to reduce the increase in drag, because the white paint was rough and chalky and they could have avoided to put it where the limit layer of airflow wasn't thick enough to minimize the increase of drag.

About exhaust stains: they arrived to the tail and rear fuselage, even if more blurried that on the side of the nose.
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/straightwingbelow.jpg)

I think that the drawing has to be modified, even if I am not sure about th interpretation of the shadow. I'll make some compromise.
I wonder if the profiles should include stains too.

Regards
Massimo

Hi,
what about this drawing? I've modified the white paint to cover the outlines of the stars too.
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-borodin6-jason-m.jpg)
Regards
Massimo

One another interesting remark is the darker spot at the underside of the rear fuselage just behind the wings.
I've noticed that before. I'm not sure if that's a shadow? ???

Hi,
here is a new one.

(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-sp-fl-al-3view-col-halfwhite5.jpg)

Jason, do you want it for the book?

Regards
Massimo

more photos of the "red 5 in white square":
(http://s012.radikal.ru/i319/1102/43/4781693a6faa.jpg)
(http://i062.radikal.ru/1102/44/064dcc480092.jpg)

It looks it had black/green ailerons...

Massimo and Kl,

stop with trowing those pictures.
I also like this one. :D
What am I going to do?????

Michel

Question:
What was the reason to leave forward fuselage and cockpit canopy on this Il-2 in its original black/green camouflage??

Answer:
Because engine and cockpit canopy had to be covered with tarpulins when planes were on ground...

It was all about hiding planes on the ground - primary role of white MK-7 was to hide planes on snow covered airfields.  When on ground, in open, engines and cockpit canopies of the planes were covered with canvas tarpulins
  

Hi,
I've updated the drawing. Thank you for the suggestions.

I think that this plane would be good for a model, if one manages to paint the number.
Note that I can't be sure about the filter.

Regards
Massimo

Spasiba KL, that had me mystified too--of course, after you explained it I had a "D'Oh" moment  ;D

I'll be doing white 6 now on my next single seater. Thanks all for the inspiration and references.

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/080919164111_post-1213331877.jpg)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/file-1.jpg)
note camouflage net above the plane!

Clearly, sometimes in the field, only parts of the plane not covered with tarpulins were painted in white MK-7.

1943 Maintenance Instruction provides more details about winter camouflage:

-  to make MK-7 more effective, planes were oriented with their tails towards the Sun
-  to reduce wings shadow, white fabric was spread between wing leading edge and ground

as a proof that this was really done, here is a photo:
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/Zamaskirovani_Il2.jpg)


Think of a Su-2 with its engine and cockpit canopy covered with tarpulins and its wings covered with white fabric. Only rear fuselage and tail would be uncovered.  That strange scheme with white rear fuselages actually makes sense!

(http://alternathistory.org.ua/files/resize/220611_alternativnye-tanki-rkka-obraztsa-1937-goda_08-640x831.jpg)

HTH,
KL

Very interesting information, Konstantin!  Now it makes sense.  And Massimo, No. 5 would be a great one for the book!

Best Regards,

Jason

@KL,
thanks for sharing that information.
It's almost the same idea why germans mottled there aircraft and also used some coverings.

@Massimo,
what about the wing stabilizers at the wing tips?
Where they also being used on red 5?
I don't see them your drawing.

Michel

Hi Michel,
plane n.5 has wooden wings, so the balance weights were not used. One has also to fill many panel lines because the wooden surface was rather smooth. It would require a complete repainting of the wings of your model, I fear.
Hi Jason,
I've already sent this drawing aside the updated version of silver 6 and a 'white 1' built in early 1942 in Factory n.1 with a differenttype of exhaust stack.
Hi Konstantin, interesting photos for a diorama.
Regards
Massimo

Massimo,

nevertheless that I will repaint my whole model I'm not eager to fill all the panellines on the wings.
So this will not be the plane.
Thanks.

Michel

I see. Undoubtedly, filling panels is not a nice work.
Regards
Massimo

Or sanding them off, either!

Regards,

Jason

Some great pictures there. KL.

Hi,
I wonder why they left  the tail and the rear fuselage uncovered on the snowy ground, just the positions where the red stars were located. Those markings revealed the plane to marauders, particularly if on a white background.
Regards
Massimo

Thing is that I don't mind to fill panellines but the underside is already done.
But if anyone can give me some idea how it is that the underside of the Borodin's Il-2 has a dark area?
Or is that a shadow?

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/IL-2-1-Seater-BorodinsPlane3JPEG.jpg)

Hi,
it looks real, it's visible on all the images inflight. Looks dirty, but I don't know why. Perhaps they washed the stain from the sides, and the water moved it to the undersurface.
Regards
Massimo

Found it. :D
On the comparison Xan made H58 from Gunze is a good representation of AMT-4.

Hello
Right now Im also working on an early IL-2
Yesterday I spotted an error in the AM kit.
The wings outerpart is the same as the single seated version of the IL-2.
But the body or Centroplane prt is the same as the very early version?s, so you have to re scracth the utility holes on it.
Unless there are some documentation proving otherwise.
I plan to open  a topic about my own build, I will elaborate there.


Istv

Hi Istvan,
the panel lines of the hatches, you mean?
Regards
Massimo

This is a call to any modeler who has some spare decals for the white bombing aiming lines in front of the canopy?  ???

Got a set. Should I snail mail them to you? Try PM your AFK adress.

Regards,
Peter

Does anyone have a picture from the gun sight in front of the canopy? ???

This one, you mean?
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/vv1b.jpg)(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/vv1a.jpg)
Regards
Massimo

Yes.
I've got the right picture also but I needed also one from the side.
Could it be that on top is a circular shape?
Thanks

Hi,
I don't think to have better images. My guess is that the cylindrical base ends with a small longitudinal cylinder with rounded ends, and the thin adlustable part is connected to it or just under it.
Regards
Massimo

I've got to sratch build this.
This is new for me to make such a small thing.
It's more a job for Marco's skills.  :D
Another thing is which color had the front of the wing stabilisors?
Under the wing itself is has the same color but what was the color in front of the wing?
Was this NMF?

What would the color be off the outer wing balancers in front of the wing?
Should it be totally white in case of Borodin's Il-2?

Some pictures from my Il-2 which is for 90% done.
Stars under the wings have to be altered.
And the glossy appereance is from the varnish.


(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1485.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1483.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1481.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1480.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1479.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1478.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1477.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1476.jpg)

Michel

Looks very nice. Just, the red stripe on the tail doesn't give the idea of a serial number. The number should be painted on the background color and let uncovered by the white paint.
Regards
Massimo

Looking very nice, Michel!  I did this very aeroplane in 1/72nd scale.  I may need to redo my camouflage a bit, but yours looks brilliant!

Regards,

Jason

I didn't know that the red line was a serial number. ::)
Under the white 6 it is the background color.
And I still have to add the other red stars.
Thing is that the foto's don't give all the details that has been airbrushed and weathered.  ???
Thanks for the comments. :D

Hi,
I think to see regularly spaced light lines on the stabilizer. They shouldn't be there, they give the idea of a metal stabilizer, but this one should be wooden and perfectly smooth.

(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/latemetalwing-under2.jpg)
Here is an example of serial of Il-2 built in Zavod 18, painted on the landing gear nacelle. I think it's painted red.
Regards
Massimo

Ok.
Thing is that when using decals I've never saw it and was wondering what the purpose was.
Nevertheless I leave it because I don't have a replacement.

Hi,

Finally my Il-2 is finished.
It's a pitty that I'm not able to take more closeup pictures to see the fine detail.
I'm happy with the result.
Still have to add the antenna. :-\

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1486.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1487.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1489.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1490.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1491.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1492.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1493.jpg)

Michel

Brilliant work, Michel!  It's great to see an accurately-done Shturmovik, and done so well!

Regards,

Jason

Thanks Jason.
Altough the spinner is not the correct one. :D

You're welcome, Michel.  Yes, the spinner is the weak point of the kit, in terms of accuracy.  It's much too rounded.  I'm sure you know this, but Vector make a nice replacement spinner and propeller blades for this kit.  I intend to use it whenever I get around to my AM arrow (I also have the Eduard "kit-bash" straight-winged two-seater and the AM single-seater - I guess I need two more Vector sets!).

Regards,

Jason

I'll leave my spinner as it is.
Now I'm concentrating on the Mig-17 which also be very weathered.
I've got the 80-20 rule in mind that I learned from Marijn Van Gils if you know him.
He said that he takes 80% effort in the last 20% of the kit.
It's when other modelers think the kit is finished it's then that I begin to see how far I can go.
That's the fun part for me. :D

Hi Michel,
really a nice model.
I suggest to check the alignment of the pitot probe, guns and balance horns, they don't look parallel on photos.
Regards
Massimo.

Well it's certainly that last 20% that takes at least 80% of the time to finish the model!

Regards,

Jason

Massimo,

I've noticed that also. I'll check those again.
Thanks.

Michel

Hi Michel,

very very nice work. I like specially how worn that Il looks.


I saw his several dioramas, really master class. I am a great fan of him.

regards,
     66misos

@66misos
Yes Marijn Van Gils is a Master concerning his diorama's and figures which he builds from scratch.  :o
That I can't do.
But I try to exceed my bounderies in every model.
I knew the wash technique that has been used by military modelers but I wanted to do this by airbrush.

Hi Michel,

this is what I also think when starting new kit ;) :

But sometimes (or often?) I have to change my initial goal, especially when something goes wrong  :(
I have 3 new kits and one rebuild "almost" finished now (decals are already applied). But wash with the artistic oil & oil paint turned out to be not so satisfying as on the La-5FN. I mixed something wrong and wash is after more than 3 weeks still wet (on La-5FN it was OK after cca 1 week).
So I wait and "play" with Pokryshkin.

Good luck with your next build.

Regards,
     66misos

Nice job Michel! Very beautiful and a good idea for my next IL-2 sleeping in the closet waiting for building... ;)
Ciao!

Marco

Thanks Marco. :D
And I'm eager to see your beautiful Lagg-3.

Me too Michel!  ;D But now the doubts are about the pipes color as asked on my topic....
I hope somebody could help me...

Ciao and good modeling!!

Marco

Thanks to 4bogreen I received the decals for the aiming lines.
This improved my Il-2 alot considering that I didn't like the way I've tried to replicate them.
So now I'm satisfied. :D

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/B_Realistic/DSCN1583_zps6a42de8f.jpg)

Looking good there Michel!  ;D