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Title: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on August 23, 2012, 02:28:34 PM I started to build this IL 2 a couple of years ago.
I had really slow progress with the building, there was always something more important. I hesitated for a long time over which plane should I build, in the end I choose the plane named Za Otrandova. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/1339581193_17-1.jpg) I nicely re scratched the fuselage. Done the rivets too, I was at the wings when I realized that this plane had wooden fuselage. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-26.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-32.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-29.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-28-1.jpg) There remained two opportunities, either I re do the putty on the fuselage or I search for a type that I can build from the current state. In the end I choose the latter. I searched for a really early version which I can build with great accuracy. During the rebuilding, I realized that the centroplane part of the wing of the Accurete is made with the repair pits of the early version, but the outer parts are prepaired for the 23mm cannon. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-40.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-42.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-38.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2AM-38-1940-2.jpg) Until now I couldn?t find any version which would be good for the Accuarte?s kit. Furthermore ,the wings of double seated version of Eduard?s isn?t good too, so there will be some post- work . (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2AM-38-1941-1.png) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2AM-38-1940-1.jpg) As of now this two planes ramanied on the list Wathcing these pictures, I can?t decide the color of the propeller?s feather, t ome it seems black. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/n2.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL2-metalfuselage.jpg) The state of the planes now: (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL2-metalfuselage.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-35.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-46.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-37.jpg) Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on August 23, 2012, 04:58:44 PM Hi,
interesting work. So you need painting options for a plane with metal rear fuselage. Some of them were painted (or repainted ) with black-green camo too with non-standardized pattern. Usually, propellers of early all-green planes were left unpainted except for the black on the rear face (about the 3/4 external rear part). They were often repainted black after the war outbreak. Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: learstang on August 23, 2012, 05:50:59 PM Nice work so far, Istvan! I shall be watching this build with great interest.
Regards, Jason Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: B_Realistic on August 23, 2012, 07:33:11 PM Considering that I also had to fill the panellines of the aft fuselage it takes alot of sanding.
Thank God Micromesh was invented. :D I'll follow your build. Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on August 26, 2012, 02:33:48 PM I managed to alter a few things.
The canopy has been polished. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-57.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-58.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-59.jpg) I also altered, the reflectors (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-50.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-51.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-53.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-56.jpg) Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: John Thompson on August 26, 2012, 05:38:38 PM Looking good; I like the way you've done the landing light, and the cockpit is excellent. Thanks for posting those German photos, too!
John Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: B_Realistic on August 26, 2012, 08:51:21 PM Looking good.
Didn't had the fuel tank a yellow cap? ??? Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: learstang on August 27, 2012, 01:16:07 AM Looking good. Didn't had the fuel tank a yellow cap? ??? Yes, Michel, it usually did. I don't know how hard it would be for Istvan to redo this. Probably too hard. It's also possible not all had a yellow cap. And it is looking nice Istvan - it'll be great to see a model of a very early Il-2. I have in mind to do the Academy kit in 1/72nd scale as a very early metal-fuselaged example. Regards, Jason Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on August 27, 2012, 07:40:14 AM Hi,
I think that the rear glass was divided into three panels with rivets between them. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/converted2seaters/2shkas.jpg) Viktor has informed me that the look of the glass in this photo was typical of early Il-2s, apart for the rearward-firing guns and the mirror atop. So it would be good to make the overposition part and the rivets, maybe with pieces of clear decal film. Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on August 27, 2012, 08:02:50 AM Yes it might be yellow, but I will say the original was? stolen? or replaced and? replaced?, by another.
It won?t go back to fix it, because I fear for the soundness of the canopy Massimo Thank you for the close pics, it won?t be hard to make it this way. Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on August 27, 2012, 09:11:39 AM As I looking at these up close pics, I have a couple of questions
I can?t see the armor plating, or head protector, is it absent only in this experimental plane or, was it absent in the standard production planes as well? Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on August 27, 2012, 10:18:18 AM Hi,
I'm not sure, Viktor wrote that the armour under the tank wasn't there on early planes, but I don't know if this is true for the headrest too. Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: learstang on August 27, 2012, 05:37:26 PM On the very early single-seaters, the armour behind the pilot was armoured glass (like on an La-5FN), so it's probably there on this photograph, just difficult to see.
Regards, Jason Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on August 28, 2012, 08:18:18 PM Just one more tiny question.
At the joining of the spinner and the fuselage there is a standard shield against rain. Do you think it was there at the really early planes as well? (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/il2-red2b.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL2-metalfuselage-1.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/il2met.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/il2n2.jpg) This picture seems to me; as this shield was applied at later, as the fuselage was build. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/il2xx.jpg) Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on August 28, 2012, 10:37:24 PM Hi Istvan,
it seems absent on other photos too. It's fair to assume that it was introduced about in June 1941. Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: learstang on August 28, 2012, 10:40:49 PM That flange, which was to prevent oil leaking from the propeller hydraulic system from splashing onto the windscreen, was not present on the first Shturmoviks but was added very soon after. Sometimes it was natural metal, but usually it was painted.
Regards, Jason Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on May 17, 2015, 07:45:44 PM Hi,
After a long building period I am close to the painting. It can be seen ont he quality of the building that I have restarted a few times. The material of the kit did not liket that. I hope I can continue it in quick steps. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/il-2-62_zps8e01eff2.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-63_zpsedc010ab.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-65_zpsefc6f96a.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-66_zpsz7eibvgq.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-68_zpslkclacxc.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-69_zpsefdpatiq.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-72_zps3rvy3vmm.jpg) Istv?n Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: learstang on May 17, 2015, 08:46:55 PM Nice work on the ejector chutes, Istvan! Glad to see you're almost ready for the painting.
Regards, Jason Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 17, 2015, 08:55:49 PM Hi Istvan,
a very interesting work. I like the idea to build a Il-2 of 1941, it's a rare thing to see one in plastic and it can wear liveries that were never worn by the usual version of 1942 reproduced by all the kits of the singleseater. Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: VelvetFrog66 on May 18, 2015, 09:07:14 PM Hi Istvan,
glad to see you have resumed work on this one. I was inspired by your work to start my own early Il-2. All the re-scribing is done but I was a bit burned out so started an Su-2 for a bit of a break. Just need to do the landing lights on mine and I too will be ready for the painting stage. Looking forward to see what camouflage scheme and markings you will choose. Cheers, Robert Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on May 19, 2015, 10:08:12 PM Massimo,
Yes, I am interested of these early fighters. Robert, I had to restart the building several times as there are a lot of small details on it and I could find more and more documents about those. Based on the new available informations it happened that I had to repair details several times which I thought that they were already ready. Painting? I was thinking on it a lot, but finally I have chosen a simple green. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-74_zpsrg9humos.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-75_zpsj54veiur.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-76_zps4lbnrtph.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-78_zpsrzjcuugf.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-88_zpswocyrp4d.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-100_zpsbabwonvh.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-101_zpsdkwbjnrt.jpg) Istv Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 20, 2015, 06:57:20 AM Hi Istvan,
looking at how you have masked the rear panels of the glazing, it seems to be an error: the rear panels were joined between them, without a metallic frame separing them. The photo shows clearly rivets to join them, while the solid frame is on the background. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/converted2seaters/2shkas.jpg) Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on May 23, 2015, 07:03:33 PM Massimo!
Yes the matching of the plexi is not ready yet, I have not had enough strength to do it. There will be a small break in the painting untill the masking, and our kithcen is not ready. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-94_zpshe09hxgr.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-93_zpsjmkzxrjq.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-92_zpsifedjhpk.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-95_zpsfejdgt4o.jpg) Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: learstang on May 23, 2015, 07:13:18 PM Very nice, Istvan! You mean you haven't broken off the rudder balance, yet?
Regards, Jason Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on May 23, 2015, 07:30:47 PM Very nice, Istvan! You mean you haven't broken off the rudder balance, yet? Regards, Jason What could have been broken that had been broken, and I am afraid it is not the end yet. Istv Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 23, 2015, 07:46:48 PM Hi Istvan,
nice work indeed. Anyway, the planes bearing this livery were new and glossy at the beginning of the war. it could represent a plane left intact for long in an airfield captured by Germans. Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on August 16, 2015, 06:37:52 PM During the weekend I could go forward with this never ending job.
As nobody have been issued the decals yet, I decided to paint those. (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-103_zpsrijtxqfl.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-107_zpslhjpubfa.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-106_zpsj38fwr0x.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-108_zpso7jpxccd.jpg) Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on August 16, 2015, 11:02:02 PM Looks good and close to the completion.
Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: learstang on August 20, 2015, 07:08:08 PM Very nice, Istvan! I've thought about doing '5/2' in 1/72nd scale, on the Academy kit (it's basically the AM kit shrunk to 1/72nd scale). I've done a lot of work on it; maybe looking at yours will get me back to working on it.
Regards, Jason Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on October 18, 2015, 06:21:33 PM I think it is finished now. Thanks all of your support, and hereby you can see the result.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-134_zpslrashb5y.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-135_zpsa9qwoh4c.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-136_zpsd9rzezu5.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-137_zpspou6vggk.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-138_zpsvbaxfupy.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-139_zps27c9nwlw.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-140_zpsjzh56kdg.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-141_zpssuoyk1wz.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-142_zpstuum89o7.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-143_zpsrkneg3qi.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-144_zpsmguhudkr.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-145_zpsrpo9bg9w.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-147_zpsw953on2f.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-148_zpsjojx2oao.jpg) (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/vadasz/IL-2-149_zps1if3r8v0.jpg) Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: xan on October 18, 2015, 09:23:29 PM Good job!
i look very much those early il-2 it's quite close to the project I have (http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/10/18//15101809160018634313672736.jpg) Xan Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on October 18, 2015, 09:24:30 PM Hi,
good model. I like the choice of this early version. Only the metal of the prop blades looks too dark on the photo. Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: 66misos on October 19, 2015, 11:02:13 AM Hi,
Very nice build. Just question - what green color is intended to be on the upper surfaces? For early solid green I would suppose glossy dark green like on early (pre-war) Mig-3. But may be I am wrong. On my display this green looks like war-time yellowish (weathered) AMT-4. Regards, 66misos Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: xan on October 19, 2015, 02:56:56 PM it has to be AII green, so close tu AMT-4, but glossy.
Xan Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: otto on October 19, 2015, 03:12:50 PM A great job, Ohotnyik! Both building and painting!
Making rivets on a model is the same as the afterburner on a jet plane! Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: 66misos on October 19, 2015, 07:57:01 PM it has to be AII green... Xan,That is exactly what I meant - All green which is darker and glossier than AMT-4 and All blue which is lighter and glossier than AMT-7. Regards, 66misos Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Massimo Tessitori on October 19, 2015, 10:48:37 PM Hi,
the color of all metal planes should be A-19F, lighter than AII green. Regards Massimo Title: Re: IL-2 Early 1/48 AM Post by: Ohotnyik on November 07, 2015, 02:56:22 PM Sorry for the late response.
I hope I understood well that the early planes were painted with A-18f and A-19f paint. These colours were lighter than the AII and AMT types. In my kit I have used the Gunze H-58 Interior Green. Istv |