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Great Patriotic War Aviation => Lend-lease planes => Topic started by: FPSOlkor on November 23, 2006, 05:14:29 AM



Title: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: FPSOlkor on November 23, 2006, 05:14:29 AM
103 GvIAP

(http://vif2ne.ru/nvi/forum/files/Olkor/IMAGE0031_resize.jpg)


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 24, 2006, 06:47:15 AM
Hi Oleg, :)
thank you for the image .
There is an interesting discussion on Soviet P-40s with Klimov engine here
http://www.airwarfareforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6683&sid=e4e7ad32bcb0c8c84239d93e9a51de32
Does anyone know more on this subject?
Massimo


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: FPSOlkor on November 24, 2006, 10:41:33 AM
Hi Oleg, :)
thank you for the image .
There is an interesting discussion on Soviet P-40s with Klimov engine
Does anyone know more on this subject?
Massimo

The veteran haven't even heard about one...


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Audrius on November 25, 2006, 06:56:14 PM
hello
excellent picture Oleg!
 Thanks for sharing. Do you know who are those brave pilots in beside P-40?

BR Audrius


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: FPSOlkor on November 26, 2006, 02:21:36 AM
Do you know who are those brave pilots in beside P-40?
Of course I do. ;D
L-R: Kulakov, Demenko, Makuha


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: BlackWolf3945 on January 17, 2007, 10:30:00 AM
The image is gone?  :'(


Fade to Black...


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: FPSOlkor on January 18, 2007, 07:52:36 PM
Yep, I asked Massimo to stick it up.... But i still have it in my archive..


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 19, 2007, 10:54:49 PM
Hi Oleg,  :)
could you send a scan , please, so I can upload it? About 800x600, possibly.
Thank you
Massimo


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: FPSOlkor on January 22, 2007, 05:14:23 PM
Hi Oleg,? :)
could you send a scan , please, so I can upload it? About 800x600, possibly.
Thank you
Massimo
You will have to wait for interview...


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 22, 2007, 06:49:03 PM
Hi, :)
I'll wait for it.
Massimo


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: John Thompson on January 23, 2007, 03:50:18 AM
Hi Oleg, :)
thank you for the image .
There is an interesting discussion on Soviet P-40s with Klimov engine here
http://www.airwarfareforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6683&sid=e4e7ad32bcb0c8c84239d93e9a51de32
Does anyone know more on this subject?
Massimo

Massimo - I like your conclusions on the airwarfare forum. It appears these P-40's were converted using components salvaged from various LaGG-3 aircraft. The multiple-view drawing shows what looks like a late LaGG-3 spinner and prop, for example, while the example in the photo has an early spinner. In the photo, the unpainted sheetmetal on the side of the cowling seems to be a "patch", where it was modified to compensate for the higher thrust line location (and therefore exhaust stack position) of the swapped-in Klimov engine; likewise, the plate below the smaller early LaGG-3 spinner is a filler to compensate for this and for the larger nose of the P-40E (compare a 1/72 LaGG-3 spinner with a 1/72 P-40E spinner regarding diameter). The drawing also shows three bulges in the top of the cowling, probably made necessary by the higher position of the Klimov engine in order to clear the front of the cylinder banks or rocker covers and other engine fittings. This thread on the other forum is very interesting - I'm just waiting for my membership application to be confirmed!  :)

John (and Ashleigh) Thompson


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 23, 2007, 09:03:23 AM
Hi, :)
I see that you have examined the photos very carefully. I hope that some more images will emerge. Maybe one can make a model or a small page on this...
Massimo


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: John Thompson on January 23, 2007, 06:09:54 PM
Maybe one can make a model or a small page on this...
Massimo


I admit it - I went and dug out a Hasegawa 1/72 P-40E, with just such a project in mind, for some later date. Heaven knows, I have lots of spare LaGG-3 spinners and exhausts laying around from Toko kits that I robbed for La-5 wing conversions...  ;)

John Thompson


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 24, 2007, 06:36:05 AM
Hi, :)
I've those pieces too. That kit is a mine of optional parts. Only, I have built an Academy P-40E, and I am not satisfied with its shape. I wonder if the Hasegawa  is identical.
Massimo


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: John Thompson on January 24, 2007, 01:48:53 PM
Hi, :)
I've those pieces too. That kit is a mine of optional parts. Only, I have built an Academy P-40E, and I am not satisfied with its shape. I wonder if the Hasegawa is identical.
Massimo

Looking again at the artwork on airwarfareforum, (and assuming the artwork is correctly based on photos), it appears possible that engines/spinners came from Yak aircraft, too. I still think the spinner shown in the multiple-view line drawing looks like one from a late LaGG-3, but the artwork examples (which one would use to finish a model) are not so definite.

The Hasegawa kit is not the same as the Academy one. I believe the Hasegawa is generally more accurate, although there's something about the shape of the rudder that looks a bit odd. Haven't compared it to drawings yet, though. But it's the better of the two kits, as far as I know.

John Thompson


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: FPSOlkor on January 26, 2007, 09:05:01 PM
BTW, Massimo? When are You going to finish Tikhomirov's photo? ???


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 27, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
Hi Oleg, :)
here is the actual state of the image. I've added the shoulders strap and medals of Tikhomirov and some other pilot. Some shoulder staps are still missing, please let me know how they should be.
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/images/18c.jpg)
On the whole, I am not too satisfied about how the image is coming out, but I've not good ideas on how to improve it.  :-\
If you need, I can send a larger one.
please, let me know.
Massimo


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: FPSOlkor on January 28, 2007, 10:36:17 AM
They are the same actually, except for extra blue line in the middle going through... The image is as good as it gets...


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 28, 2007, 10:14:35 PM
Hi, :)
ok, I'll finish it soon.
Massimo


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 30, 2007, 11:45:12 AM
Hi, :)
i've updated the image and its size. Please, have a look and let me know if it requires corrections. Maybe on the boots...
Massimo


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: FPSOlkor on January 30, 2007, 07:45:03 PM
I think you have to remove the blue from snow at first, then make boots less orange and more brown... More human colour of faces would also be nice...


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 31, 2007, 10:37:06 PM
Hi, :)
I've updated it. Please, have a look again.
Massimo


Title: Re: A p-40, anyone?
Post by: FPSOlkor on February 01, 2007, 12:04:07 AM
Still, warmer and more pinkish colour of the skin required, with a little more "blushness" on the cheeks. The way it looks now they are a bit... Chineese. darker color on the boots required as well as a bit dimmer orders on T.'s chest - they are too sharp.. More like on his friends.