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Modeling Soviet Warplanes => General Modeling => Topic started by: B_Realistic on November 21, 2012, 01:23:50 PM



Title: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: B_Realistic on November 21, 2012, 01:23:50 PM
Hi,

Because it's almost the end of 2012 and a start of 2013 I'm curious about new models that will be released.
Considering the Mig-29 from GWH that will be released soon as the Tu-2VS I'm not aware of other VVS related types.
So any rumours?
And my whishlist is a Yak-28 and an Il-4 in 1/48! :D

Michel


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: TISO on November 22, 2012, 12:01:49 AM
I want rerun of ICM's TB-3 and their new I-153 in 1/72.
Any news on new R-5 that was made as master on scalemodels.ru forum?


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: learstang on November 22, 2012, 01:20:28 AM
I agree with TISO's choices and add an accurate Il-4 in 1/72nd scale.  Some Yak's and Lavochkin's in 1/32nd scale would be nice also.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: xan on November 22, 2012, 12:03:18 PM
I just would like an accurate yak-9 at 1/48 scale...


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: ChristianK on November 22, 2012, 02:11:26 PM
Tamiya will release a new-tool Il-2, in the late-war, swept-wing configuration: http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM60781 (http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM60781)  Looks like it's available at the end of february :)



Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: learstang on November 22, 2012, 05:58:26 PM
Tamiya will release a new-tool Il-2, in the late-war, swept-wing configuration: http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM60781 (http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM60781)  Looks like it's available at the end of february :)



Yes, I've seen that - great news indeed!  Let's just hope they bring out the other versions also.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 22, 2012, 09:58:34 PM
As a wish list... let's see... Il-4, DB-3, R-10, Il-10, La-9/11 in 1/72.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: TISO on November 23, 2012, 05:33:21 PM
As a wish list... let's see... Il-4, DB-3, R-10, Il-10, La-9/11 in 1/72.
Regards
Massimo
In new current tech moulds.


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: learstang on November 23, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
As a wish list... let's see... Il-4, DB-3, R-10, Il-10, La-9/11 in 1/72.
Regards
Massimo
In new current tech moulds.

Good point, TISO.  These kits were all available (although I believe the MPM La-9/11 is long out of production), but not in new-mould plastic versions.  The Il-4 series in particular needs some accurate new-mould kits.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Bert on November 24, 2012, 06:25:06 PM
MPM La-9/11 are outdated. Steelwork has much better resin kits:
La-9 http://shop.strato.de/epages/61299018.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61299018/Products/SK7213 (http://shop.strato.de/epages/61299018.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61299018/Products/SK7213)
La-11 http://shop.strato.de/epages/61299018.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61299018/Products/SK7215 (http://shop.strato.de/epages/61299018.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61299018/Products/SK7215)


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: learstang on November 24, 2012, 06:49:53 PM
Those look nice, Bert - thank you for the links!  I hadn't seen those before.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: John Thompson on November 24, 2012, 07:11:17 PM
I want rerun of ICM's TB-3 and their new I-153 in 1/72.
Any news on new R-5 that was made as master on scalemodels.ru forum?

Yes, I really want that I-153 myself. How soon it will be available is impossible to know. I've asked ICM about it several times, but all they say is, "It will be done this year". That's also what they said last year!  >:(

Regarding the R-5 from South Front, it seems there is still some hope, although the owner of South Front has had a very bad personal experience and has things more important than model airplanes to occupy his thoughts; see the last few posts in this thread:
http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=257222&pid=2442477&st=0&#entry2442477

John


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 24, 2012, 08:06:47 PM
Hi Bert,
looks very well made, but the price is out of my horizon for a small model.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Walker on November 26, 2012, 03:11:20 PM
La-9 and La-11 1:72, Prop&Jet planning for the summer of 2013.


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: John Thompson on November 26, 2012, 05:26:44 PM
La-9 and La-11 1:72, Prop&Jet planning for the summer of 2013.

That's very good news - thank you, Musa!

John


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 26, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
Hi Musa, excellent choice indeed.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Walker on November 26, 2012, 06:41:40 PM
Thanks John, Massimo! Early to say thanks.  ;D

MPM La-9/11 are outdated. Steelwork has much better resin kits:
La-9 http://shop.strato.de/epages/61299018.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61299018/Products/SK7213 (http://shop.strato.de/epages/61299018.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61299018/Products/SK7213)
La-11 http://shop.strato.de/epages/61299018.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61299018/Products/SK7215 (http://shop.strato.de/epages/61299018.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61299018/Products/SK7215)

Thank you Bert for links! I am always surprised when a producer shows such small images, so for them to understand that it is impossible. In that case, I always think that a manufacturer comes not very honest. However, the model of this size for 46 Euro, in my opinion should be perfect.
But unfortunately it is not:

(http://storage5.static.itmages.ru/i/12/1126/s_1353951252_6689182_e06b017d00.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/777686/e06b017d)

The other day I got a few books on the La-9 and La-11, technical descriptions, along with the theory of the airframe. There is a good chance to make a very accurate model.



Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 26, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
Hi Musa,
do you mean that it has too thick leading edges?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Walker on November 26, 2012, 10:44:54 PM
Hi Massimo,
Yes, profile wing and stabilizer incorrect. Contours of the cowl is questionable.


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Bert on November 26, 2012, 11:02:58 PM
Hi,
I know that Steelwork La-9/11 are not cheap. But resin kits are genereally not cheap, not in Russia and not in Germany. Unfortunately in Germany resin kits have to be more expensive because (often) living costs are higher than in Russia.

Imperfection of Steelwork La-9/11? I didn't studied these kits in detail by now. But they are more perfect than MPM/Siga/Interavia ;D I agree that images by steelwork are too small and a little diffuse but Uwe from Steelwork is a good modeller. I know the guy.

To build a accurate model of La-9/11 is also a wish of me. But I (and Steelwork too) have only images of the original but no drawings or technical descriptions. So it is not easy to make a very accurate model :-[


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 27, 2012, 08:35:04 AM
Hi Bert,
I know, it's enormously better than the MPM/Siga kits. I have two of them and they look an hard work indeed.
All the resin kits are expensive. It's my problem that I have my attic full of models still to build. But the most of them are kits priced 10 or 20 euros waiting for years and years.
Now, if I start to buy models of 40 euros and let them there, all things will be worse. I'll be buried with my treasure of kits, I fear.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: B_Realistic on November 27, 2012, 11:10:56 AM
I don't buy resin kits anymore due to the fact that they are too expensive for the quality you get.
But there are exceptions off course.
I also had a stash and I swapped it at a hobby shop for nothing less then VVS aircraft. :D
Now my stash is less and I'm sure that I build it.


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Walker on November 27, 2012, 02:29:19 PM
Hi,
I know that Steelwork La-9/11 are not cheap. But resin kits are genereally not cheap, not in Russia and not in Germany. Unfortunately in Germany resin kits have to be more expensive because (often) living costs are higher than in Russia.
Hi Bert,
Maybe your friend is a good modeller, but La-9 and La-11 had turned out badly. Sorry, but it's true.
You are mistaken. If you talk about the price of human life in Russia, it is absolutely worthless. But when it comes to cost of living, clothing, food, etc. you could do it cheaper. While the level of wages in Russia tiny compared to yours. So sometimes I just do not understand why a good model, worth 25 euro is for you dear.
Sorry for offtopic.
None of the materials I buy to work not produced in Russia they get it from other countries, in particular from the United States. So they cost me more than your resin models manufacturers . But all the same price for the model to be more accurate, and in which there will be more details in my performance, will be no more than 25 euro. In almost half the price. It's not that I do not appreciate my work, it's because I will not be able to sell their model at a higher price.

I don't buy resin kits anymore due to the fact that they are too expensive for the quality you get.

Maybe you just not have across a normal model?


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: B_Realistic on November 27, 2012, 04:37:20 PM
Hi,
I know that Steelwork La-9/11 are not cheap. But resin kits are genereally not cheap, not in Russia and not in Germany. Unfortunately in Germany resin kits have to be more expensive because (often) living costs are higher than in Russia.
Hi Bert,
Maybe your friend is a good modeller, but La-9 and La-11 had turned out badly. Sorry, but it's true.
You are mistaken. If you talk about the price of human life in Russia, it is absolutely worthless. But when it comes to cost of living, clothing, food, etc. you could do it cheaper. While the level of wages in Russia tiny compared to yours. So sometimes I just do not understand why a good model, worth 25 euro is for you dear.
Sorry for offtopic.
None of the materials I buy to work not produced in Russia they get it from other countries, in particular from the United States. So they cost me more than your resin models manufacturers . But all the same price for the model to be more accurate, and in which there will be more details in my performance, will be no more than 25 euro. In almost half the price. It's not that I do not appreciate my work, it's because I will not be able to sell their model at a higher price.

I don't buy resin kits anymore due to the fact that they are too expensive for the quality you get.

Maybe you just not have across a normal model?

Walker,

It's like I said that there are exceptions. Thing is that when you wait enough there will be plastic manufacturers which will produce the model.


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: John Thompson on November 27, 2012, 08:03:40 PM
Hi Bert,
I know, it's enormously better than the MPM/Siga kits. I have two of them and they look an hard work indeed.
All the resin kits are expensive. It's my problem that I have my attic full of models still to build. But the most of them are kits priced 10 or 20 euros waiting for years and years.
Now, if I start to buy models of 40 euros and let them there, all things will be worse. I'll be buried with my treasure of kits, I fear.
Regards
Massimo

Yes, you're right - very hard work ;):
(http://s13.postimage.org/ucqm46wmr/La_9_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ucqm46wmr/)

I won't try to list all the many things I did to it to make even this not-very-good model! I also have a very large storage of unbuilt kits just like you do; maybe B_Realistic's solution is the right one - trade them at the hobby shop.

Walker,
It's like I said that there are exceptions. Thing is that when you wait enough there will be plastic manufacturers which will produce the model.

Well, I think you'll find that Prop & Jet kits are much, much better than the usual resin kits. Like I said somewhere else, they are the Tamiya of resin models.

I'd like to think that you are right about waiting, but I've been waiting (and asking) for good 1/72 injection-molded styrene kits of such aircraft as the Yak-1b for about 15 years, and so far, nothing! It seems that Russian aircraft of the GPW are almost completely ignored by the large kit manufacturers, or even the small manufacturers. It's ridiculous! That's why I'm grateful to Amodel and ICM for the kits they've produced, even if some of them are not easy to build.

John


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Walker on November 28, 2012, 08:45:48 AM
John, Yak-1b, at 1:72 in development of a famous Ukrainian company for several years, so there was no point in doing it. Due out soon. Will be cast in resin.

John offers to compare this model La-9 with these two photos:
(http://storage9.static.itmages.ru/i/12/1128/s_1354089205_2728059_7efbf7ca88.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/779707/7efbf7ca) (http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/12/1128/s_1354089257_6978270_77c25bc572.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/779708/77c25bc5)

Hopefully mistakes in the model list is not necessary. It is "130", the prototype of the La-9, with minor differences in the details.


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: B_Realistic on November 28, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
John,

but Prop&Jet don't make 1/48 kits. ? ???

Michel


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: John Thompson on November 28, 2012, 04:28:24 PM
John, Yak-1b, at 1:72 in development of a famous Ukrainian company for several years, so there was no point in doing it. Due out soon. Will be cast in resin.

John offers to compare this model La-9 with these two photos:
Hopefully mistakes in the model list is not necessary. It is "130", the prototype of the La-9, with minor differences in the details.

Hi Musa! Yes, I've heard about the resin Yak-1b from Armory, but I thought maybe they had decided not to produce it. The last time I asked them about it was almost a year ago when they were having problems with the wings.

Thank you for the images of aircraft "130" - very good photos!

John

(Something I forgot - AZ also said they were going to make an injection-molded styrene 1/72 Yak-1b, but they decided not to do it for some unknown reason and gave this project to Fly Models. Now perhaps you understand why I'm frustrated...  >:()


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: TISO on November 29, 2012, 12:42:55 AM
Hope Zvezda will finally make the Yak-1b. Their quality is rather good
AZ has very variable quality (avoid their spits and wildcats). Fly models are very short run kits at least Whitley and Ca-101 that i have


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: B_Realistic on November 29, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
But there is a Yak-1b from Modelsvit.
Isn't that a good model?


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: John Thompson on November 30, 2012, 08:37:30 PM
But there is a Yak-1b from Modelsvit.
Isn't that a good model?

On the contrary, it's apparently an excellent model; in fact, I've been tempted several times to buy it, but it's the wrong scale! ;)

John


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Walker on December 01, 2012, 12:11:58 AM
Quote
but it's the wrong scale! ;)
John
;D



Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: mbittner on December 01, 2012, 03:24:06 AM
Hope Zvezda will finally make the Yak-1b. Their quality is rather good
AZ has very variable quality (avoid their spits and wildcats). Fly models are very short run kits at least Whitley and Ca-101 that i have

No on the Spitfires (well, at least not all)! Look for their "HQ" moniker. These are on par with Eduard, and the accuracy is there. I have the AZ Model Spitfire Mk.IXs (HQ) and they're excellent, better than all others.


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: learstang on December 01, 2012, 04:53:46 AM
Hope Zvezda will finally make the Yak-1b. Their quality is rather good
AZ has very variable quality (avoid their spits and wildcats). Fly models are very short run kits at least Whitley and Ca-101 that i have

No on the Spitfires (well, at least not all)! Look for their "HQ" moniker. These are on par with Eduard, and the accuracy is there. I have the AZ Model Spitfire Mk.IXs (HQ) and they're excellent, better than all others.

Matt, I have their Admiral boxing of the Seafire F.45, and I have to say it looks quite nice.  I haven't glued it together, but I've removed all the parts and they seem to fit well, and the detailing looks good and clean.  In terms of Fly Models, which TISO also mentioned, I only have their Hs-123, but it's very nice, and not the same as the Avis moulding.  The Avis kit was a good kit, but the Fly kit is a little better.  If either Admiral/AZ or Fly Models could come up with a VVS kit equal in quality to their two kits mentioned above, they would certainly be worth a look.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: B_Realistic on December 01, 2012, 11:35:28 AM
But there is a Yak-1b from Modelsvit.
Isn't that a good model?

On the contrary, it's apparently an excellent model; in fact, I've been tempted several times to buy it, but it's the wrong scale! ;)

John

I thought it also. :)
I bought it because it's good and cheap.
Armory made a good PE set for it and it's specialy made for Modelsvit because he knows the guy very well.
Just buy it and come to the light of 1/48th scale. :)


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: John Thompson on December 01, 2012, 02:59:25 PM
For what it's worth, the recent history as I understand it goes as follows: Petr Muzikant at AZ said they were going to produce a Yak-1b in 1/72, but then decided to hand this project off to Fly after I made a public fool of myself over what a great idea this was ("Thompson likes it? FAIL!!!"). AZ are probably too busy making kits of important types, like the Fairchild F.24 or another obscure Spitfire variant.  ::)

The "Head Fly Guy", Jiri Valek, is apparently very busy and probably has a real job as well as a life (What? You mean manufacturing limited-run model kits has never made anyone a millionaire?), so who knows when, or even if, the Yak-1b will ever happen.

Personally, I'd be very happy with a 1/72 Yak-1b from Fly, even though I've never actually seen a Fly kit myself - I don't buy non-VVS kits any more. Ample Yak-1b references are available, either in paper or on-line, to allow someone who wants to do it to do a good job. It could easily be much better than what exists, which is only the old and crude ZTS/Mikro72/Mastercraft thing. There is still some hope that Armory will eventually release one in resin, I suppose. There is also still some hope that ICM will release an I-153 - there's always hope, but seldom any actual product on the shelves.

That concludes today's blast of bitter sarcasm...  >:(

John


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: learstang on December 01, 2012, 06:01:47 PM
I have to agree with you, John.  Although hope is generally a good thing, it's remarkably hard to work with and makes into a poor model (and of course the panel lines are all wrong).  I find actual polystyrene works much better.  Here's to us having a real plastic Yak-1B and I-153 in 1/72nd scale (Great Bog in Heaven's true scale) for the New Year!

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: 66misos on December 05, 2012, 10:45:10 PM
Hi,

I will be happy to have La-7 in 1:48 from Zvezda, if it is at least as good as their La-5 and La-5FN. And some good Yak-9 also in 1:48.

Regards,
     66misos


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: Seawinder on December 06, 2012, 03:40:47 AM
Being a 1/48 guy, I'm excited about the upcoming Yak-3 from Zvezda, but I'll be REALLY happy to see a good, new Yak-9 in the same scale. AFAIC, it's almost as much of a holy grail as a definitive Spitfire IX and/or XIV.

Pip


Title: Re: New models in 2013 and wishlist
Post by: B_Realistic on December 06, 2012, 01:27:47 PM
I go for a Yak-9 from Zvezda. :D