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Modeling Soviet Warplanes => Model Kits => Topic started by: Walker on January 18, 2013, 10:12:36 PM



Title: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on January 18, 2013, 10:12:36 PM
Hello gentlemen!

Allow me to share with the forum the progress of work on I-153. Now illustrations in color and decals. 50 versions of the painting:
(http://storage4.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0119/s_1358542842_1795085_0c1fbffbea.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/853165/0c1fbffb) (http://storage3.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0119/s_1358542930_1746451_cc454f1feb.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/853167/cc454f1f) (http://storage4.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0119/s_1358542947_1015597_328f3ef73f.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/853168/328f3ef7) (http://storage3.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0119/s_1358543538_8856305_c90e5435f3.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/853174/c90e5435)


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 18, 2013, 11:11:35 PM
Really impressive choice! My compliments for this huge decals sheet!
Plane n.63 looks to have a camouflage made by small black and green dots. 
I suggest to distinguish silver and grey parts on profiles, usually the metallic parts were grey and the fabric parts silver, although some planes could have been overall grey or overall silver.
There are some interesting color profiles on the book of Maslov too, even if they have M-25 and require the flat spinner of the I-15 bis (eventually the piece can be taken from the model of ICM).
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on January 19, 2013, 12:07:07 AM
Thank you Massimo.
Different colors of silver and gray color highlighted two shades of gray, the export of the vector smoothed out a bit. Camouflage will still be change, it is all just for show while future options.
All variants are confirmed photos.


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: learstang on January 19, 2013, 01:16:04 AM
Wonderful selection, Musa!  I do look forward to this kit.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: KL on January 19, 2013, 07:48:34 AM
Hi Walker

Congratulations! Your decal sheet looks great!  But one I-153 is missing?.

I-153 that you must include in your decal is ?Chaika? preserved in Paris at the Musee de l'Air.  Plane is currently restored, its identity and history has been revealed after more than 60 years.  The plane originally had tail number ?21? and red ?pilotka?. It belonged originally to 15 iap.  Just before the beginning of the GPW it was assigned to 238 iap based in Ponevezhis, Lithuania where it was captured by the Germans.

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/I-153%20Lithuania/Oct2012KL046.jpg)

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/I-153%20Lithuania/Oct2012KL044.jpg)

I hope it?s not too late; this is very interesting and important plane.  Number ?21? will increase significantly your sales in France, at least.

Cheers,
KL


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on January 19, 2013, 11:07:27 AM
Thank you KL, no priblem:

(http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0119/s_1358589945_1625544_96e433655d.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/854560/96e43365)


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 19, 2013, 02:59:45 PM
Hi,
I would add this one, even if it's without numbers:
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i15/i-153/i-153painting/i153camostr.jpg)
Note that the green of 19 is painted in sterange way, by brush, over grey/silver background
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i15/i-153/i-153painting/19a.jpg)
This one is the only I know with real winter painting
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i15/i-153/i-153painting/winter.jpg)
This one seems silver overall instead of silver and grey
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i15/i-153/i-153painting/12.jpg)
This one has interesting black painting on its struts, maybe some other photo can show the marks on the tail.
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i15/i-153/i-153painting/i153-stripes2.jpg)

Chinese, Finnish and German ones would be good too.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: B_Realistic on January 19, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
Love those shemes from red 6, 7 and 29. :D
Are those also available in 1/48th scale?


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on January 19, 2013, 04:21:12 PM
Massimo, decal will make the first airplane. Just need to paint it on the photo. 19 and 12 numbers in the decals already.

B_Realistic, sorry, no.


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: KL on January 20, 2013, 05:30:12 AM
Thank you KL, no priblem:

(http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0119/s_1358589945_1625544_96e433655d.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/854560/96e43365)

Thank you very much!  "French connection" will appreciate this...

Font on 15 iap planes was more regular/geometric, numbers were drawn with constant line width.
There is overwhelming evidence that only 2 schemes existed for series planes:

-  before June 1940 planes were silver (fabric) and light gray (metal covers)
-  after June 1940 upper surfaces were "protective" green, lower surfaces were light blue

There were no factory painted planes in all silver or all gray scheme.  Planes were camouflaged  in some units.  During Halkin-Gol conflict and before June 1941, planes were motlled.  After June 1941 planes were camouflaged in green-black disruptive scheme.  
All this makes sense.  Why would anybody in a unit re-paint a plane in overall gray???

Cheers,
KL

PS  Border between green and blue colour on engine cowling was higher, at the exhaust and horizontal.    


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on January 20, 2013, 06:42:35 PM
Font "15"

(http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0120/s_1358703623_8458743_e73a83c6fc.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/856400/e73a83c6)

Corrected "21" on the photo.
 (http://storage3.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0120/s_1358706812_1066766_d3e3489273.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/856482/d3e34892)  (http://storage2.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0120/s_1358703747_2129495_aafff285f7.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/856405/aafff285)


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: KL on January 21, 2013, 01:23:42 AM
Hi Walker,  :)

Number "1" and number "2" must be parallel.  True, starboard number "1" wasn't perfectly parallel to rudder hinge line.
All other numbers of the same "font" in 15 iap are parallel :

Number "16"
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/I-153%20Lithuania/No16.jpg)

Number "20"
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/I-153%20Lithuania/No20.jpg)

Number "25"
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/I-153%20Lithuania/2007-12-13-052.jpg)

Roman "IV" was a German marking, probably for transport purposes.  It is yellow now.  That said, original Red Star on the le Bourget Yak-3 is also yellow-orange...  maybe red pigment reacts with overlaying paint sometimes?

KL


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 21, 2013, 07:45:54 AM
Hi Walker,
I've the impression that the red cap of 21 is drawn too wide, and the number 2 too low. Please check to be sure.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Pascal on January 21, 2013, 10:29:54 AM
"French connection" will appreciate this...

Absolutely!

However, Xan and myself, and of course many other French modelers would appreciate a 1/48 sheet... Thanks!

Pascal


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: B_Realistic on January 21, 2013, 02:32:12 PM
"French connection" will appreciate this...

Absolutely!

However, Xan and myself, and of course many other French modelers would appreciate a 1/48 sheet... Thanks!

Pascal

The same in Belgium. :D


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on January 21, 2013, 06:18:18 PM
Well:
(http://storage3.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0121/s_1358788795_5260278_4a581ffcc5.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/857794/4a581ffc)


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: KL on January 21, 2013, 10:44:45 PM
Hi Walker,  :)

Top profile is OK. IMHO, "21" was parallel on right side too.

There is a small part of number "2" on plate which covers hinge,  see below:

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/I-153%20Lithuania/Oct2012KL044-1.jpg)

On your right side profile number "2" is far away from this cover.  Number 1 isn't so crucked too...
Wavy horizontal line in number "2" may had end like "2" on the plane with number "20"  ???  ???:

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/I-153%20Lithuania/No20.jpg)

Cheers,
KL


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on January 22, 2013, 09:41:09 AM
No, I disagree. This is a completely different figures. The slope of the "2" fixed.

(http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0122/s_1358843534_9079553_5a9763bccf.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/858404/5a9763bc)
(http://storage3.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0122/s_1358844051_4231448_dac28824f8.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/858474/dac28824)


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: KL on January 23, 2013, 05:02:53 AM
Hi Walker,  :)

1.  IMHO, the "swan neck" is somewhat more regular - the lines should be straight were close to blue lines:

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/I-153%20Lithuania/Oct2012KL046-1.jpg)

2.  Black outline is thinner, maybe as thin as Red Star black outline.

3.  Wawy horizontal line shouln't be longer whan the width of the "swan neck"

Red "9" outlined in white is also original Soviet squadron number!  Le Bourget I-153 is assembled by Germans from parts - four wing consoles originally belonged to four different planes...  One wing is green/blue.  Most parts are from 138 iap planes.  Ruder is probably grom 46 iap I-153 (based at Mlinuv airfield when captured).

Supposedly, iap is correctly written in small letters..., not in capital letters.  ::)

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: KL on January 23, 2013, 07:16:37 PM
Hi Walker,  :)

a couple of notes more:

-  Numbers "1" and "2" should be closer to each other - approx 80% of number "1" width.

-  Le Bourget I-153 had red "9" outlined in black during the years when displayed at the Musee de l'Air.

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/I-153%20Lithuania/nmbr_1_r.jpg)

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on January 26, 2013, 11:54:36 AM
I'm afraid that it's too late to correct. Decal sent to print.


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on February 05, 2013, 06:50:30 PM
Decals is ready:
(http://storage9.static.itmages.ru/i/13/0205/s_1360086269_8473743_774e162b5f.jpeg) (http://itmages.ru/image/view/881501/774e162b)


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 05, 2013, 07:07:18 PM
Very interesting and comprehensive sheet!
Any news about the kit?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: learstang on February 05, 2013, 07:24:51 PM
Nice, Musa!  Looks very comprehensive.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: 1:72 I-153 Prop&Jet in progress
Post by: Walker on February 05, 2013, 08:06:58 PM
Thank you! Work on the model will start in early March. Now finish the current projects.