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Great Patriotic War Aviation => MiGs => Topic started by: otto on June 26, 2013, 10:08:39 AM



Title: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on June 26, 2013, 10:08:39 AM
Hello Boys
After a four years stop I grabbed again the Trumpeter 1/48 MiG-3. I started with the cockpit by adding Eduard photoetched.
Massimo, is it possible to add pictures in the text? I tried pressing the button "insert image" but only the following statement appears:(http://) without allowing me loading a picture.


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on June 26, 2013, 11:18:35 AM
I try to post the pictures now:
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9142600166/in/set-72157634337757632/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9142600138/in/set-72157634337757632/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9140370197/in/set-72157634337757632/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9140370107/in/set-72157634337757632/)


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on June 26, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
No pictures shown  >:(.
You can see the pictures here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157634337757632/
I took them four years ago, when I started the kit. I reduced the rivets depth with steel scourer and removed the back plate from the kit's cockpit frames, to use them coupled with Eduard photoetched parts.
I will add new pictures soon.


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: B_Realistic on June 26, 2013, 12:00:55 PM
Nice to see that you removed the plate.
The end result is much better.


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 26, 2013, 01:39:55 PM
Yes, it's an alternative to the complete rebuilding of the tube strut. Looks easier.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: JP on July 02, 2013, 06:08:39 AM
It would seem that if you had several of the old ICM kits laying around, it would be worth salvaging the cockpits out and using them in the Trumpeter kits.


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: 4bogreen on July 02, 2013, 03:54:48 PM
Hi Otto  :D

Looks very promessing! The struts on top are actually to short, and the shelf for the radio is to long. add 3 mm to the top strut. Then cut the rear vertical strut out and replace it with a new evergreen rod on the right length. Don't forget to cut 3mm of the radioshelf  ;)
or it won't fit... ::) The trumpeter kit has some flaws, but you can detail this kit to absurd levels... :o There is plenty of info available here.

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on July 02, 2013, 10:32:50 PM
At the end I wasn't satisfied with my shortcut, so I decided to scratch-build the cockpit structure.
I have two ICM MiG-3s. I think they are good kits, so I will not cannibalize them.
4bogreen, if I understood what you mean, I don't think that the structure of the Trumpeter kit is too short: if you look at the drawings and pictures here
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/cockpi.html
and here
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/yuri-rr/canopy.htm
you can see that the structure does not reach the rear end of the metal side panels, and the rear horizontal tube is ahead of the radio shelf.
I used the Eduard photoetched structure, that match the Trumpeter parts, as a template.
I will add pictures soon.


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: JP on July 03, 2013, 12:23:27 AM
You may want carefully check your ICM kits.  Apparently, this early kit was a victim of Soviet-style quality control, and they threw whatever kind of plastic they could find into the moulds.  The one that I started didn't reveal this until I lightly sanded the wing trailing edges to thin them a little, and whole layers of plastic pulled up and peeled off like fine onion skin.  Upon closer examination, it seems there were different kinds of plastic used that did not fully mix with one another.  I tried covering it with liquid cement to make it chemically bond, but even that didn't fully stop it.  So I have a nicely constructed cockpit for my time, and a kit with wings that look like they had a bad sunburn.  As I now have some Trumpeter kits... 8)


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on July 08, 2013, 04:00:32 PM
Massimo, in your profiles of MiG-3s without sliding canopy there is a strut or something else connecting the top of the pilot's headrest with  the upper front edge of the rear fixed canopy. It's very difficult to see this detail in pictures, I only found something here: http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/white-5-outlined.htm. Are there pictures or drawings showing it?
Thank you.


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on July 08, 2013, 08:00:12 PM
Hi Otto,
I think it's the rail of the rear of the canopy. There is a thin slot on the rear longitudinal frame, it's a rail inserted in a sort of C-strut. It is bended downward at its front to allow the canopy to sit and adhere to the rear part. When opened, the sliding hood at first goes up, then back.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: 4bogreen on July 08, 2013, 09:22:26 PM
Hi otto  :D

IMHO i think is a stiffener that counters drag. Because the lack of a canopy, vibrations wil go (maybe) through the seat and that is annoying for the pilot. By connecting the seat with the fixed canopy, the vibrations would be less... I also think its exclusive for the MiG-3 without the canopy. The reason behind this was that many pilots came from canopyless Polikarpovs and didn't like to be "confined" in the airplane, in case of a emergency to bail out. Sight also was better without canopy...I read this somewhere...

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on July 08, 2013, 10:07:01 PM
It seems that it is really an extension of the tubular rail, as shown here: https://plus.google.com/photos/104977000387940344883/albums/5633393064105837249/5855875212399880418?banner=pwa#photos/104977000387940344883/albums/5633393064105837249/5855875212399880418?banner=pwa&pid=5855875212399880418&oid=104977000387940344883.
I suppose it could have a rubber damper to soften the contact with the headrest.


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on July 29, 2013, 12:58:07 PM
Hello
I made some progress (if I may say so) with the cockpit. I scratch built the frame and chose to use  a resin copy of the Classic Airframes I-153 seat, which seems more realistic to me. The frame under the seat has a hidden sleeve to accomodate the seat.
I also decided to reduce the thickness of the clear parts. I used sandpaper fixed on a brush handle and Tamiya compound for polishing. The rear fixed canopy has a line of rivets instead of the rail, so I scribed a recessed line to reproduce it properly.
You can see the pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157634837916105/
Looking at the pictures of the rear fuselage preserved in Finland, it seems that the canopy inner side of the frames is painted green as the outer side. I would like to build a winter camouflage example, possibly the Black 36 with the star on the spinner. I think it had been painted white in the factory, so I supposed the rear canopy bay and the frames inside are also white. But the picture of the famous "Za stalina", "Za Rodinu"... with the red nose arrow seem to show dark inner frames and, maybe, also the rear bay. Any suggestion?


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: B_Realistic on July 31, 2013, 08:14:29 AM
That is very well done. :D


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on December 22, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
Merry Christmas to all!
I painted the interior and I am almost ready to close the fuselage halves. You can see the pictures here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157634837916105/
The A-14 side walls and details are painted with Tamiya XF-53 and some dry-brushing with Humbrol 126.
The structure is Gunze H-401 dark gray.
The seat armor is painted with alternate layers of WEM AII and AMT-4 green (I have to get rid of them! :-[).
The unpainted seat, control column and floor are Alclad Dark Aluminium.
The rear fuselage is natural wood, with black rear part to increase shadow effect from the rear cockpit bay hole.
These are only my interpretations of the bulk of conflicting information on this issue, and I am sure that many people will not agree. But the show must go on!


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: learstang on December 23, 2013, 01:19:13 AM
Looking very nice otto!  Great work on the interior.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 23, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
Hi Otto,
looks nice and well made. Thank you for sharing the photos, and Merry Xmas to you (and to all) too.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on January 14, 2014, 03:30:36 AM
Hello everybody and have a good year!
I added two more pictures. Nothing to shout about, just to announce that I closed the fuselage halves: it is always a great moment!


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 14, 2014, 06:49:21 AM
Hi Otto,
really well made. The pieces look really real. The details are surprising for an 1/48 model.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on January 14, 2014, 05:34:20 PM
Thank you Massimo.
I think a great help comes from a magnifier similar to this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THREE-LENS-MULTI-MAGNIFIER-HEAD-BAND-LOUPE-VISOR-JEWELRY-WATCHMAKERS-REPAIR-TOOL-/160902815497?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25768e1f09

I bought one at the Hobby Model Expo. I paid it around 10 ? and it really improved my ability to work on small details. It is not very comfortable, especially in summer  :(, but the magnifying quality is good. I know Tamiya has one, possibly more comfortable, for sure more expensive. Maybe one day I will buy one, instead of a kit that I know I will never build? ;)


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Troy Smith on January 14, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
Hi Otto

can you not just add your images here?
like this?

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5496/11939351205_06d1e544d4_c.jpg)

really great work as well! 

it s a pain actually getting the photo url though, I got this from the 'page source'.... Flickr and photobucket seem to have got far to clever for their own good... 

cheers
Troy


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on January 15, 2014, 04:03:06 AM
Hello Troy
I tried several times, but I could not.  ???
When I have new pictures I will try again. Could you or anybody else help me?


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 15, 2014, 06:20:42 AM
Hi Otto,
you have to copy the address of the image (not of the page with the image), paste it on the reply form. then select it and press the image icon (the second from the left).
Very interesting magnifier. Only, the mailing costs more than the item itself. A thing to test, anyway.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on January 15, 2014, 05:14:19 PM
I try to post two pictures of the windscreen.

(http://C:\Users\mauro\Desktop\ffff\131231_0005_Mig3_L)

(http://C:\Users\mauro\Desktop\ffff\131231_0007_Mig3_L)


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on January 15, 2014, 05:25:21 PM
I try again.

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11966941016/in/set-72157634837916105/lightbox/)

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11966100645/in/set-72157634837916105/lightbox/)


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on January 15, 2014, 05:39:54 PM
Sorry Massimo, but i am a dull guy.  :'(
The first time I did it with images in a directory of my computer: I copied their address, selected it and pressed the image icon.
The second time I did the same with the image address of my Yahoo Flickr directory.
Nothing happened in both cases.


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Troy Smith on January 15, 2014, 08:26:12 PM
HI otto

you need the actual web address of the photo.   On Flickr they use a kind of slideshow, what you need is 'copy image address'

I did find it for the image above of yours I posted, if you right click it it will say 'view image' click that and the address in the browser bar is the location of the photo.

OK, I just went to your flickr, used the 'tools' at the top [I used Firefox] and got 'page info'

what you want is og:image.   that's 'address' is what needs to between the 'img' tags. 

like this (http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2823/11503074426_27da56511e_z.jpg)


Which is amazingly clumsy!   For images here, they need to be hosted somewhere on the web.   I've used photobucket, but it's also now difficult, and also requires the latest browser version often.
 
A chap on Britmodeller recommended 'postimage'  which I think John Thompson uses.

OK, doing this I've posted these.   I think there should be a way with flickr to post the images to another site, but I'm not a member so I won't have access to this facilty.

You can now just copy and paste these yourself if you want to add them to your original posts, just use the 'edit' facility

But, now,  for everyone else, enjoy some superb modelling!

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2892/11503092633_78c1186bf8_z.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/11503034404_925b6941fb_z.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5509/11503091403_2231cc0446_z.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2842/11503033924_85dfb9cb4c_z.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/11939351035_7668e73a14_z.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/11966941016_b89eacb3c2_z.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3750/11966100645_d2f3bd2d21_z.jpg)

HTH
T


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on January 16, 2014, 12:51:55 AM
Sorry Troy, but no success again. I think I must give up.
Anyway, thank you for your opinion!
I am also in an Italian modeling forum, Scale Model Forum, and there it's possible to upload pictures directly from my pc. Isn't it possible to do it here?


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Troy Smith on January 16, 2014, 01:26:14 AM
Hi Otto

no, they need to be hosted somewhere on the web.  Try postimage - http://postimage.org/

From your post I presume you are Italian?  You might want to PM Massimo, in Italian as he
might explain it better better in your own language.

cheers
T


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on January 16, 2014, 03:34:41 AM
(http://s16.postimg.org/6u5usfcqd/130728_0011_Mig3_L.jpg)
FINALLY IT WORKED!  :P
I used Postimage, thank you Troy.


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on March 29, 2014, 09:42:44 AM
I am now working on the rockets and rails.There is a good drawing in Massimo's book on page 120, but I don't understand what is the object with a hole at the front end of the rails. Are there any good pictures of these weapons?
What about colors? Unpainted metal, gray primer, undersurface color for the rails...?


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 29, 2014, 01:04:35 PM
Hi Otto,
here you can find good images of the rails and rockets from wrecks. They are certainly better than a drawing.
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_6048_start_640.html (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_6048_start_640.html)
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on March 30, 2014, 10:25:21 AM
Great link Massimo, Thank you!
This drawing
(http://s7.postimg.org/4trrkpx4b/clipzb.jpg)
shows rectangular rails while most pictures show tubular rails. I would like to use this shape because I could use Trumpeter rails with minor modifications. It is shown on this page of the link: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_6048_start_420.html but I can't understand the Russian comments. May anybody, possibly KL, help me?


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 30, 2014, 12:25:40 PM
Hi Otto,
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_815684_1360217121_11111111.png.html (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_815684_1360217121_11111111.png.html)
it says that it was an alternative.
There are lots of photos of wrecks reachable from this:
http://photo.qip.ru/users/pakuro/3849165/90602458/#mainImageLink (http://photo.qip.ru/users/pakuro/3849165/90602458/#mainImageLink)
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on July 08, 2014, 10:00:16 PM
Work is slowly progressing on my MiG-3. I used Tamiya flat white as a primer and, after some preshading, I sprayed Gunze gloss white, painted the different panels and applied the decals. I drew the black numbers on the pc and printed them on Tauro clear decal sheet with a laser printer.
I also painted the red star on the spinner, but it needs some touch-up.
Next steps will be fixing and painting undercarriage details and overall weathering.
(http://s22.postimg.org/si7ckp6ld/140623_0001_Mig3_L.jpg)
(http://s24.postimg.org/5vwucmimd/140706_0001_Mig3_L.jpg)
(http://s24.postimg.org/vfz4j2405/140706_0004_Mig3_L.jpg)
(http://s30.postimg.org/6pcxo2dap/140706_0006_Mig3_L.jpg)


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: learstang on July 09, 2014, 04:56:26 AM
Nice work, Otto! The MiG-3 looks good in white.

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on July 09, 2014, 08:00:27 AM
Hi Otto,
attractive model indeed.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: 4bogreen on July 10, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
Hi Otto!

Looks great! i think we make planes out of the same unit  ;)

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on October 06, 2014, 04:48:05 PM
My white MiG-3 is no longer so white.  ;)
(http://s28.postimg.org/s6is1pk0t/141005_0006_Mig3_L.jpg)
(http://s17.postimg.org/u9n9x0hqn/141005_0008_Mig3_L.jpg)
(http://s18.postimg.org/6uof40z15/141005_0010_Mig3_L.jpg)

More pictures here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157634837916105/


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: learstang on October 06, 2014, 05:33:45 PM
Lovely weathering, Otto - now that looks like a warplane!

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on December 28, 2014, 02:11:21 PM
I finally finished my MiG-3. Due to the well known site problems, as suggested by Massimo, I post the link instead of pictures:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157634837916105/
I hope next year will be better for all!  ::)


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: 4bogreen on December 28, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
Great finnish Otto!! Beautiful representation of Nr.36. I hope my mig-3 will be half so good....

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: learstang on December 28, 2014, 05:33:56 PM
Beautiful model, Otto! Excellent little diorama!

Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Spitfire on December 28, 2014, 08:39:59 PM
Great work, the detail is very impressive and the pilot figure really works.

Cheers

Dennis


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 29, 2014, 07:24:19 AM
Hi Otto,
really a beautiful model.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: 66misos on December 29, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Hi Otto,
very nice build, I like especially weathering.
However, I am surprised with the color of the undersurfaces. It looks white, I thought it was light blue. ??? What color is on the top front engine cover? Dirty white or silver/NMF?
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: MiG-3 Late Trumpeter 1/48
Post by: otto on December 29, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
Thank you 66misos!
I followed this reference:
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/black36.html
It comes from highly magnified pictures and it seems, as on other airframes, that the undersurfaces were white.
It seems likely that the dark panel on the starboard side of the fuselage was green, and I supposed it was not on the port side. But who knows about the nose upper panel? Was it gray? Silver? Light blue? Pink? Was it only some picture's effect? Unfortunately, this is not the best documented of all the MiG-3s, but I strongly wanted that gorgeous star on the spinner! ;D