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Title: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: TISO on March 19, 2007, 08:07:26 PM I'm looking for camo scheme for Vassili Emelyanenko of 7. GShAP.
Eduard completly missed camo for this machine. According to the photo in Monografie lotnitze which shows left wing root the pattern is completly different. Also Eduard gives this machine as green - black which i consider unlikley. Does anybody have anything on this? Also photo of Ostapenko and Emeljanenko in front of unknown machine shows the machine with stars on the spinner and U/C gondolas. Pic's i have of this machine (first is from Monografie publication others are from various sources): (http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8415/emeljanenko1pe4.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emeljanenko1pe4.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/763/emeljanenko5bc0.th.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emeljanenko5bc0.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8060/emeljanenko4hk1.th.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emeljanenko4hk1.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2931/emeljanenko6es0.th.jpg) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emeljanenko6es0.jpg) Also as far as i understand all Il-2m (two seat with straight wing) had wooden fuselage and outer wings. Do i assume correctly? Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: John Thompson on March 20, 2007, 02:05:57 AM Interesting images! You might want to check this thread regarding the evolution of the Il-2:
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Forum/showthread.php?tid=416 Here's another that might be helpful: http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Forum/showthread.php?tid=311 I hope this helps - sometimes too much information can be more frustrating (and less fun!) than not enough information! Enjoy yourself - that's the main thing! John Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: TISO on March 20, 2007, 03:00:11 AM Thanks John. How could this topic go by me ??? (I must be ageing or something).
One down a couple more to go ;D Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: TISO on March 20, 2007, 01:58:47 PM How about cockpit colour?
Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Dark Green Man on March 23, 2007, 12:56:12 AM as with most things on the Il-2 Shturmovik there is much debate. my personal preference is for Industrial Metal Use Primer , although there are (or seem to be) photos of some cockpits in A-14 and possibly even ALG-5 at this time it is impossible to exclude these two later choices as the work of regiment's or possibly even done by the PARM's also I agree with TISO in that Eduard got the camo patterns/colors wrong for the three most interesting ones on the decal sheet. (I don't know about the White 16 aircraft and who could mess up a winter white scheme?( Yaroslavskii Komsomolets)) Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Dark Green Man on March 23, 2007, 02:08:32 AM http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Forum/attachment.php?aid=446
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Forum/attachment.php?aid=447 http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Forum/attachment.php?aid=448 http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Forum/attachment.php?aid=449 Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Russell M on March 11, 2012, 03:53:33 PM Thought I would revive this topic as the Hobbyvista links no longer function. So what is the thinking on the scheme for this aircraft? From the photos I was thinking 3 color but the light color band on the wing seems to look close but not quite right to the first scheme in Massimo's article. Anyone have further ideas?
Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 11, 2012, 10:08:14 PM Hi,
I've made this drawing for the book of Jason, I hope that he won't be displeased if I show it. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/emelyanenko/il2m-early--fl-am-3view-z18-emelyanenko100r.jpg) The photos show clearly the usual black dot of Zavod n.18 on the tail; it's a black-green plane with metal wing. The pattern I've traced is somewhat uncertain on the nose and wings, however it was traced with the help of photos of other planes built in the same factory. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Russell M on March 11, 2012, 11:23:41 PM Thanks Massimo, that is the first info I have seen identifying it as a metal winged aircraft. I guess I will have to find another scheme for my project and save it for a future build.
Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: learstang on March 12, 2012, 12:08:56 AM Hi, I've made this drawing for the book of Jason, I hope that he won't be displeased if I show it. The photos show clearly the usual black dot of Zavod n.18 on the tail; it's a black-green plane with metal wing. The pattern I've traced is somewhat uncertain on the nose and wings, however it was traced with the help of photos of other planes built in the same factory. Regards Massimo Not at all, Massimo - it shows the sort of excellent artwork that will available in my book. For those who are interested (and even those who aren't!), I hope to have the book on modelling the IL-2 available as an e-book in the next few months. Regards, Jason Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: bbrought on March 12, 2012, 07:42:19 AM Hi Jason
Will it also be available as a normal paper copy book? With artwork like that it definitely looks like something I want in my bookcase. Regards, Bennie Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: learstang on March 12, 2012, 04:39:35 PM Hi Jason Will it also be available as a normal paper copy book? With artwork like that it definitely looks like something I want in my bookcase. Regards, Bennie Bennie, I plan to eventually have it available also in hard copy form, hopefully sooner than later. My "marketing plan" is to see how well it does in e-book form, then reformat it for sale as a regular book. I hope to have it available in both forms. Thank you very much for your interest! Best Regards, Jason Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: bbrought on March 14, 2012, 07:35:12 AM Hi Jason
That is good news. My preference would definitely be for a hardcopy for this type of book. Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: barneybolac on March 14, 2012, 07:53:44 AM Some of those still shots are actually from a video. His plane can be seen at the 6 min 30 sec mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3WMFPUuqo&feature=player_embedded#! Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Tyronesdaddy on March 14, 2012, 08:07:03 PM "Some of those still shots are actually from a video. His plane can be seen at the 6 min 30 sec mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3WMFPUuqo&feature=player_embedded#!" At 5 min 16 sec there is a nice shot of the 3 colour camo on a 2 place Il-2. It looks like the NKAP #1 scheme. Is that a straight wing IL-2? Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: learstang on March 14, 2012, 08:14:24 PM It's hard to tell, TD, but it very well could be. Since the straight-winged two-seater continued in production until January or so of 1944, and continued in service perhaps until the end of the war, many of them would have been painted (or re-painted) in the three-colour scheme. (Thank you for finding the video, Barney!)
Regards, Jason Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 14, 2012, 08:59:02 PM Hi all,
I think it's an arrow, because the rear wing edge has a discontinued angulation. About Emelyanenko: that music is terrible!!! Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: barneybolac on March 14, 2012, 09:39:52 PM Hi all, I think it's an arrow, because the rear wing edge has a discontinued angulation. About Emelyanenko: that music is terrible!!! Regards Massimo He was quite the musician based off of his book. He makes no mention of being filmed though for a propaganda clip. Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: learstang on March 14, 2012, 09:55:44 PM Hi all, I think it's an arrow, because the rear wing edge has a discontinued angulation. About Emelyanenko: that music is terrible!!! Regards Massimo He was quite the musician based off of his book. He makes no mention of being filmed though for a propaganda clip. Maybe that dubbed music is the reason why - he didn't want to be associated with it! Regards, Jason Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Tyronesdaddy on March 15, 2012, 03:15:06 AM At least it's not rap music.
Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: barneybolac on April 12, 2012, 07:47:36 PM Only complete photo I have found of the rear of his plane.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/IL-2%20STUFF/attachment.jpg) Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: learstang on April 12, 2012, 08:23:33 PM Nice photograph - I don't think I've seen that one.
Regards, Jason Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 12, 2012, 08:56:10 PM Hi,
here are two other photos attributed to the plane of Emeljanenko. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/emelyanenko/emeljanenko6es0.jpg) (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/emelyanenko/emelyanenko3b.jpg) I suppose that it was another plane: the number 100 is not visible, and one can see a slogan 'za...' absent on the more famous plane with the music. However, one can see also the white band on the fuselage anyway. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: barneybolac on April 12, 2012, 09:17:17 PM Top photo is of Ostapenko's aircraft I beleive.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/il2star.jpg) Title: Re: Il-2 of V. Emelyanenko Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 12, 2012, 09:34:40 PM Very possible, I wonder if both photos are of the same plane.
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