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Title: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: otto on March 14, 2014, 01:55:30 PM Hello everybody
My next soviet plane, after the MiG-3 I am currently working on, could be Zvezda's 1/48 Yak-3. I would like to paint it as general Zakharov's mount: I have AML decals for it. (http://s13.postimg.org/dcv5t743b/soviet_aces_in_yakovlev_yak_3s_part_i.jpg) (http://s29.postimg.org/rrqbt3vjr/scan0070k.jpg) (http://s29.postimg.org/eoup9u5br/Ton_1.jpg) I have some doubts about the colors of this aircraft: The background of the knight's badge is red, blue or another color? Was this badge only on the left? And, if it was on the right, was the knight facing forward or rearward? What's the color of the spinner? Camouflage gray? Half gray and half red as per AML? Half yellow and half red as per Eduard? With red star edged black as per Begemot? I know that my questions are like "what's the color of a t-rex?". But I would like to hear some opinions about this issue. Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 14, 2014, 04:52:33 PM This may help:
(http://www.e-reading.bz/illustrations/1010/1010126-neizyak_1672_img_085.jpg) Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: otto on March 15, 2014, 12:13:36 PM Thank you Konstantin, I never saw this picture before! :D
It seems to me that the portion of spinner out of the picture is too small to accomodate a star, so the painted part could be a "nail" as suggested by AML and Eduard. On the other hand Begemot, which proposes a star, seems to me quite an accurate source. Perhaps I better choose a better documented subject ??? ??? ??? Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 15, 2014, 07:31:21 PM That "nail" is something in front of the spinner or in front of the photo. Its form doesnt follow the curvature of the spinner.
It could be a corner that held photo fixed to album page (you remember how photos were fixed to album pages long time ago?) Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 15, 2014, 08:37:55 PM Could be. Probably there is an uncropped version of the image in some collection. It could be reachable. Is the source French or Russian?
Regards Massimo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: xan on March 16, 2014, 09:30:06 AM It's a little bit strange; the Zakharov's yak is very famous , and in the memories of Normandie Niemen'pilots, they allways talk about his La-5 (FN I think)
There is a pic in "Pegase" magzine, but we only see the noise, If anyone knew about a profil or a pic of zakharov's plane , I will be very glad... Zakharov was such a great man. Before the GPW in fought in Spain in China too... If anyone know something about the plane he flew there, I will be interested too... Xan Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: otto on March 16, 2014, 09:24:46 PM Yes KL, it could be a corner of the picture. There is a famous picture of a Pfalz D.III where a corner was placed exactly showing the lower wing as it was painted two colors! But in this picture the corners were clearly visible at the four edges, while I don't see them on Zakharov's picture. My "feeling" here is that it is really painted or, at least, some object in front of the spinner but not a picture holding corner. The shadow on the object seems to me that it belongs to the spinner's curvature, although the "nail" is a very strange kind of artwork for a spinner.
Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 17, 2014, 11:03:18 AM Hi Otto
Quote The shadow on the object seems to me that it belongs to the spinner's curvature, although the "nail" is a very strange kind of artwork for a spinner. I'm not sure of this. The triangle looks to have an horizontal gradient of darkness, while the spinner has an oblique one. The image could have been cropped asymmetrically because it had defects on the right side, that is unnaturally whitish.Regards Massimo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 17, 2014, 06:48:33 PM (http://www.e-reading.bz/illustrations/1010/1010126-neizyak_1672_img_085.jpg)
Officers on the photo above are (from left to right): major Zamorin (523 iap commander), general-major Zaharov (303 iad commander), lieutenant Risso (Normandie-Neman) and mayor Kristinskiy (not VVS, probably infantry). Photo was taken in spring 1945 in Germany. In 1945, two regiments within 303 iad were quipped with Yak-3s: 18 giap and Normandie-Niemen. Two other regiments, 523 iap and 9 gviap had La-7s. Zaharov's Yak-3 belonged to division stab, IMHO it was marked as 18 iap Yak-3s. So, it had white arrow, number should have been at mid-fuselage, close to the arrow's break, and the spinner was factory painted in blue-gray AMT-11. Something like this: (http://lib.rus.ec/i/67/471267/pic_56.jpg) this Yak without a number is interesting - could be commander's, ie. Zaharov's: (http://lib.rus.ec/i/67/471267/pic_57.jpg) Arrow on Zaharow's Yak-3 was outlined in red, see on here: (http://www.pravoslavie.ru/sas/image/101146/114610.b.jpg) Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 17, 2014, 08:31:16 PM Hi,
the decals sheet has a number 1 that doesn't appear on photos, supposedly hidden by the officers. Its moved back position is unusual, but could be justified by the emblem. I wonder if it is only a guess of the author of the profile, or its presence is documented. Perhaps they thought that only a 1 could have been placed in the reduced space between the star and the tail. The arrow on the photo of Zakharov seems to end at the star on the visible side, while the other plane without number has an arrow continuing up to the tail. If it is the same plane, it's asymmetrical. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Lolo on March 17, 2014, 11:11:18 PM Hello
I've seen a much better quality reproduction of the KL photo with the strange bicolor marking on the yak 3 spinner of Zakharov in a small french publication. The photo is directly issued from J. Risso collection. It has not the bicolor marking - it's one unique color. I'll try to scan it tomorrow and post it on the forum. Regarding the small number "1" at the end of the arrow - near the tail section - one should notice that when the Normandie Niemen pilots got their first Yak 3 (probably second hand - may be ex 18 giap ?) some of them were marked with small numbers (44 for instance) near the tail section with no arrow marking and no tricolor spinner. You obviously see the repainting of these small numbers with camouflage a bit darker than the original (probably fresh paint ?) on some photos (nb 1 of Leon Ougloff). So a small 1 near tail end is possible. but why a 1 ??? It was the commander plane so it was may be ok to give it the number 1 ??? Anyway, there is also a picture of a La-5 I found on a russian forum with exactly the same emblem of a knight riding a horse and killing a dragon but it seems with no background (???) and no arrow. This La-5 got number 15. The pilot sitting in the cockpit look like Zakarov. I'm not comfortable posting it as i cannot credit who owns it (I don't know who owns it). Lolo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: xan on March 18, 2014, 08:38:11 AM The small numbers were painted in the factory and were the serial number begining.
Be carefull "1" number for the leader's plane is true in the franch tradition not in VVS tradition. About the LA-5 pic I would be very very interested to see it. I think soviet pic are not submitted to author rights, so I think you can post it in this forum and Anyway if you could send it by PM for exemple I will be very pleased.. Xan Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 18, 2014, 01:00:07 PM Hi Lolo
Quote Anyway, there is also a picture of a La-5 I found on a russian forum with exactly the same emblem of a knight riding a horse and killing a dragon but it seems with no background (Huh) and no arrow. This La-5 got number 15. The pilot sitting in the cockpit look like Zakarov. I don't think it is a problem. But if you are not comfortable, could you give the link of the forum, please?I'm not comfortable posting it as i cannot credit who owns it (I don't know who owns it). Regards Massimo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 18, 2014, 09:17:45 PM Was this badge only on the left? And, if it was on the right, was the knight facing forward or rearward? In orthodox tradition Saint George is facing to the right (http://days.pravoslavie.ru/jpg/ib117.jpg) Naturally, everything in Soviet tradition that associates to Saint George should be facing left There is actually a lot of symbolics in that depiction on Zaharov's Yak-3: In orthodox Christianity Saint George is called "Victorious" and his memorial was celebrated on May 06 in Soviet Union. German capitulation and VE-day practically coincided with Saint George the Victorious day. May 6th would be also the "name day" (something like a birthday) for everybody with the name George in Russia. Another George, namely Georgiy Zhukov was the real Georgiy the Victorious in 1945! He appeared riding a white horse during the Victory Parade on June 24, 1945 (http://dslov.ru/img/1515.jpg) Zhukov riding a white horse was inspiration for Soviet artists (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3110/innalove.1a/0_b172_b44b0f96_XL.jpg) Of course Zhukov is facing to the left.... Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: otto on March 18, 2014, 10:52:34 PM I supposed that the most logical knight's posture is facing forward, so left on the left and right on the right. But AML decals are both facing left, so Konstantin's theory is right for me! ;)
Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Lolo on March 18, 2014, 10:55:17 PM Here is the better quality pic of Zakharov Yak-3 : it's from the Les ailes de la gloire booklet on Normandie Niemen and it comes directly from the J. Risso collection.
- As you can see it has got unicolor spinner : Now next question is which color is the spinner ? grey ? blue ? red ? Lolo (http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz303/Lolo_Kramp/zakharovyak3_zps64a95f23.jpg) Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Lolo on March 18, 2014, 11:02:14 PM And here is the Zakharov La-5 :
(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz303/Lolo_Kramp/zakharovla5_zpsf6beda29.jpg) This pic is from the Icare magazine n?65 And here is the pic from a russian forum - I don't know if it is Zakharov plane but the pilot sure looks like Zakharov and it's the same emblem. (http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz303/Lolo_Kramp/101026222004_royalty023_1_zps1a247ae3.jpg) Lolo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: xan on March 18, 2014, 11:32:46 PM oh thanks Lolo, a wonderfull pic!
I was loocking for it for a long time! This one will be soon a model subject... Konstantin did you see this splendid splinter camouflage in the wing? Xan Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 18, 2014, 11:41:10 PM Hi Lolo, thanks for the excellent photos!
i am not sure about the pilot on your second photo - probably someone else... Note that there is no white arrow on that particular La-5. According to camouflage scheme and red star with thin red outline photo was made after September 1943. Here is the better quality pic of Zakharov Yak-3 : it's from the Les ailes de la gloire booklet on Normandie Niemen and it comes directly from the J. Risso collection. - As you can see it has got unicolor spinner : Now next question is which color is the spinner ? grey ? blue ? red ? Spinner is almost certainly blue-gray AMT-11, ie. still in factory colour. Red colour on that photo is light gray, almost white: text on the propeller blade is red, red banner on the badge is red. The shield behind the Saint George is red too. Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: 66misos on March 18, 2014, 11:44:42 PM Hi,
nice pictures. Although camo scheme is not exactly like this first production La-7: (http://www.mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/1943-45-fighters/la7etalon2.jpg) or NKAP 1943 scheme: (http://www.mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/1943-45-fighters/tem-fighters1943.jpg) but definitely splinter and hard edges. Note very dark (black? blue?) outline of the board number "15" in comparison to red star. Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Lolo on March 18, 2014, 11:49:18 PM My memory did tell me that I had already seen a similar looking La-5 :
(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz303/Lolo_Kramp/La5Jetampprop_zps0bb97d44.jpg) from this topic : http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1578.0 (http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1578.0) Is it really Zakharov plane ???? Lolo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 19, 2014, 12:02:03 AM nice pictures. Although camo scheme is not exactly like this first production La-7: (http://www.mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/1943-45-fighters/la7etalon2.jpg) or NKAP 1943 scheme: (http://www.mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/1943-45-fighters/tem-fighters1943.jpg) but definitely splinter and hard edges. Note very dark (black? blue?) outline of the board number "15" in comparison to red star. Are you saying that those were NKAP "recommendations" ignored by the industry and that Zavods continued to utilise their own schemes and use paints of their choice? IMHO, that is as close as possible to the original drawing... Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: learstang on March 19, 2014, 12:11:37 AM I find the inclusion of St. George rather interesting; it was my impression that the Soviets did not look kindly upon any aircraft markings with religious connotations. I suppose there are always exceptions.
Regards, Jason Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: 66misos on March 19, 2014, 01:08:47 AM Hi KL,
Are you saying that those were NKAP "recommendations" ignored by the industry and that Zavods continued to utilise their own schemes and use paints of their choice? I am not sure we speak about the same comparison.IMHO, that is as close as possible to the original drawing... I fully agree, that painting on the first production La-7 is (almost) identical with NKAP 1943 scheme. However, they both are different from painting on the La-5F "15" left wing (not mention fuselage painting). Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 19, 2014, 01:31:34 PM Hi Otto,
Quote I supposed that the most logical knight's posture is facing forward, so left on the left and right on the right. But AML decals are both facing left, so Konstantin's theory is right for me! The painting of St.George is complex and time-requiring, likely painted with brush without masks. Besides all 3 photos showing it are from the same side. So I don't think it was made on both sides.Hi Lolo, Quote Here is the better quality pic of Zakharov Yak-3 : it's from the Les ailes de la gloire booklet on Normandie Niemen and it comes directly from the J. Risso collection. Nice photoof the Yak, but it could be photoshopped. I think to see a discontinuity in the shades on the spinner close to the deleted 'nail'. - As you can see it has got unicolor spinner : Now next question is which color is the spinner ? grey ? blue ? red ? Anyway I suggest uniform grey for the spinner, there is not any discontinuity in shade or reflection if compared to the cowling. About the La-5s: great images indeed, thank you very much for sharing. Anyway I don't think they are of the same plane; one can see differences, as the engine mark on the cowling. Hi Konstantin Quote Spinner is almost certainly blue-gray AMT-11, ie. still in factory colour. Red colour on that photo is light gray, almost white: text on the propeller blade is red, red banner on the badge is red. The shield behind the Saint George is red too. I agree. Red can also justify its dark look on another photo.Hi Xan Quote this splendid splinter camouflage in the wing? For what is shown, only the band on the wing is so sharp, the other ones are blurried as usual. I suppose it was repainted.Regards Massimo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: xan on March 19, 2014, 07:01:35 PM I don't think they are of the same plane; one can see differences, as the engine mark on the cowling. it's not a problem for me, Zakharov have surely fly one La-5 but more...Xan Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 19, 2014, 07:57:43 PM There is another name on the profile of the plane with the knight emblem. G.M. Novokreshenov, if I don't miss.
Regards Massimo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 19, 2014, 08:23:43 PM (http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz303/Lolo_Kramp/La5Jetampprop_zps0bb97d44.jpg) Is it really Zakharov plane ???? No, this is not Zaharov's plane. It clearly says: G.M. Novokreshchenov's La-5F, 50th iap, 315th iad (http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz303/Lolo_Kramp/101026222004_royalty023_1_zps1a247ae3.jpg) Back to Zaharov's Yak-3: Saint George on the red shield was also a traditional coat of arms of the city of Moscow! (http://moscowwalks.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/06.jpg) After the Revolution the Coat of arms has been changed, but today it's again the red shield with saint George slaying the dragon (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Coat_of_Arms_of_Moscow.svg/220px-Coat_of_Arms_of_Moscow.svg.png) Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 20, 2014, 09:16:04 PM So Far we have answers on two questions:
1. Spinner was blue-gray AMT-11, still in its factory colours 2. Shield behind the rider was red Other two questions: about the markings on the other side (a.k.a. Dark Side of the Moon) and about the fuselage number probably will remain unanswered for long time. :-X :-[ Zaharov's Yak-3 probably had a number between the red star and the tailplane. What number - nobody knows... There was a Yak-3 in Normandie-Niemen with number "1", so this number may have been considered taken ??? (http://www.pohodd.ru/gal/d/19691-2/SSSR-A-00851.jpg) HTH, KL Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: xan on March 20, 2014, 09:35:07 PM Zaharov's Yak-3 probably had a number between the red star and the tailplane. What number - nobody knows... If a remenber well, it was the Chall?'s plane.But why do you say that?There was a Yak-3 in Normandie-Niemen with number "1", so this number may have been considered taken ?? Zakharov didn't flight with the normandie rgiment, He was the chief of the 303 division and comes only time to time in the normandie's airfield... Xan Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Lolo on March 23, 2014, 09:57:02 PM Hi
Sorry Xan for the wrong Zakharov La-5 :( Me too I would like to have a picture of it since years ... that date back when I was a teenager (And I am 50 now!) More Zakharov Yak-3 photo - this one is also from Icare 65 : it's only one half of it as it was print on 2 pages with the fold cutting it. I didnt manage to scan and merge correctly with the other half. The other half has no spinner detail but it has a nice soviet hero marking details. tell me if you want it. Enjoy Lolo (http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz303/Lolo_Kramp/zakharov006_zps974d6da6.jpg) Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 24, 2014, 07:02:47 AM Hi Lolo,
I see that the thin outline of the arrow is much darker than the background of the knight. Perhaps the outline was black. Could you scan the other part of the image to see again how red details appear, please? Regards Massimo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: B_Realistic on March 24, 2014, 07:26:37 PM I'm very surprised to see how white the Arrow is. :o
Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 24, 2014, 07:49:25 PM I see that the thin outline of the arrow is much darker than the background of the knight. Perhaps the outline was black. Yes, based on the last photo, the black outline is quite posible.... I searched the internet and I couldn't find a single profile which would combine all the elements that we have figured so far: blue-gray spinner, red shield and black arrow outline! Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 24, 2014, 11:25:57 PM I have tried to reconstruct what is behind the three musketeers - following is the result:
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/Ton_1copy_zps18e729e5.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/klesnikov/media/Posted%20in%20forums/Ton_1copy_zps18e729e5.jpg.html) Conclusions: 1. Red star has wider white outline than what was usual, especially after WWII. Fuselage star has the same red to white proportions as the tailfin star. Inner red star is approx 50% of the marking radius. 2. White arrow is unusually short for 18 giap or N-N Yaks. It ends just behind the fuselage star while 18 giap and N-N Yaks usually had arrows almost to the tailplane. The rear end of the arrow is less pointed than the decal. 3. Factory applied fuselage number was overpainted with dark gray AMT-12. Overpainting is similar to what is seen on several N-N planes, like this one: (http://www.pohodd.ru/gal/d/19691-2/SSSR-A-00851.jpg) Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 25, 2014, 08:02:30 PM This profile is the closest to the real Zaharov's Yak-3 (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy096.gif)
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Yak-3/Yak-3-303GvIAD-W1-Zakharov/images/Artwork-Yak-3-303GvIAD-W1-Georgii-Nefyodovich-Zakharov-East-Prussia-1945-0B.jpg) except for the arrow's tail which is too long and the white border around the fuselage star which is too narrow, it's OK. AMT-11/12/7 colours are convincing. It also looks like Yak-3. Following are some less successful attempts: :( (http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/268/pics/1_10.jpg) (http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/268/pics/1_5.jpg) (http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/268/pics/1_10_b1.jpg) shield colour on all three is suspicious and most have problems with VVS Red Stars (strange how official markings, unchanged for half a century have been misinterpreted ???). This one is based on Pilawskii's information (http://i1.cpcache.com/product/18586155/yak3_white_1.jpg) Camouflage colours are wrong and VVS Red Stars are wrong (among other things). Drooping nose and heavy weight spinner make things even worse.... :( :-X Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Lolo on March 25, 2014, 10:09:04 PM Here is the second part of the 2 folds picture of Zakharov Yak-3.
Lolo (http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz303/Lolo_Kramp/zakharov005_zps84cbdb16.jpg) Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 26, 2014, 07:19:45 AM Hi Lolo,
I'm trying to reconstruct the whole photo with Photoshop. Seems that some parts are still missing, in particular the part on the junction of the pages and the one of the lowerpart of left landing gear and cooler. Hi Konstantin, the red on the Guards mark doesn't correspond to the shield this time. Perhaps it's only a problem of reflection, but I am no sure about the conclusion. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Lolo on March 26, 2014, 11:39:33 AM Hi Massimo
I'm traveling at the moment - I'll be back at home on Friday to see if I can provide you better scans so you can reconstruct the whole picture. Lolo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 26, 2014, 06:04:59 PM the red on the Guards mark doesn't correspond to the shield this time. Perhaps it's only a problem of reflection, but I am no sure about the conclusion. You can't simply compare shades of gray and then reserve particular gray for a specific colour. There are many reasons why the same colour could produce different shades of gray on b/w photos - lighting, exposure time, etc. Similar colours will produce different shades of gray too. For what i know, red colour comes in many shades and that translates to many shades of gray in b/w photos. Your observation may mean that the red of the shield and the red of the guards mark were not exactly the same. How do you explain different colour of the fuselage and tail stars on this photo? (http://www.pohodd.ru/gal/d/19691-2/SSSR-A-00851.jpg) Just compare those two stars with the spinner which was painted in known colours - do you think that the tail star was the same colour as the tip of the spinner? Regards, KL Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: KL on March 27, 2014, 05:52:07 PM Interpretation by Eduard:
(http://nsa30.casimages.com/img/2012/12/31/121231044926891398.jpg) Model made as per Eduard's instruction (http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/4158937896991006345.jpg) IMHO, not authentic.... :( Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Lolo on April 28, 2015, 10:40:22 PM Believe it or not , the new issue of French Avions magazine (#205) released a new picture of a new Zakharov Yak-3 (not the one we already know) in the 2 following months of the end of war (Elbing airfield location) with :
- Silver bordered stars - St Georges knight personnal marking - Arrow regimental marking - Guards marking on the nose - No bort number ...AND... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o - Tricolore spinner (normandie Niemen way) - "Kremlin" style stars on the fuselage and on the fin (red and yellow!) WOAH !!! Lolo Avions magazine 205 : (http://www.avions-bateaux.com/uploads/attachment/produit/cache/168_204_produit_2434_240c3bbda446680c88cf561bf5726769.jpg) Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 29, 2015, 06:30:28 AM Very interesting. I wait to see it. Thank you for the warning.
Regards Massimo Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: xan on April 30, 2015, 08:25:51 AM - Silver bordered stars - St Georges knight personnal marking - Arrow regimental marking - Guards marking on the nose - No bort number - Tricolore spinner (normandie Niemen way) - "Kremlin" style stars on the fuselage and on the fin (red and yellow!) red and yellow is an Many souffan interpretation (I think it was a classical kremlin's star silver bordered star is another interpretation. It's an article about the return of the normandie-niemen in Paris (26 pages!) The yaks Staline gave to the NN pilots had evidentely silver bordered stars, but it's not as evident for Zakarov's one. Konstantin I saw Many thanks you at the end of the article, you take part in this work? Xan Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: 66misos on April 30, 2015, 08:19:17 PM - Silver bordered stars... ...silver bordered star is another interpretation. It's an article about the return of the normandie-niemen in Paris (26 pages!) The yaks Staline gave to the NN pilots had evidentely silver bordered stars, but it's not as evident for Zakarov's one... Interesting, I always thought this star is silver bordered on this N-N Yak-3: (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub4/Yak3.jpg) Thas presure bottle is interesting - there are letters "BO3..." e.g. "VOZDUCH"? e.g. "AIR"? And also possibly here: (http://referentiel.nouvelobs.com/file/978635.jpg) and here: (http://www.jumboroger.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/photo_yak-3_nn_24-2.jpg) Regards, 66misos Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: learstang on April 30, 2015, 09:38:38 PM That first photograph, especially, looks like it has a silver-bordered star.
Regards, Jason Title: Re: Yak-3 Zakharov Post by: xan on May 01, 2015, 09:39:19 AM the first one is the marchi 's plane in Paris.The star is silver bordered as were all the planes Stalin offered to the NN pilots.
thr third one is in Paris to in my personal opinion. This plane is usualy done as the de la Poype's plane but I think this man is Jacques Andr?, who went to Paris with the 24 plane. Xan |