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Great Patriotic War Aviation => Yaks => Topic started by: 4bogreen on June 08, 2015, 12:23:40 PM



Title: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on June 08, 2015, 12:23:40 PM
Hey guys,

My MiG-3 is finnished, so now we have found a new victim. The Modelsvit 1/48 Yak-1b. Molding is average. I have the Armory detail and flap set. These look very nice. I am used to have the Eduard zoom pre-colored PE, so this will be new, to color the instrumental panel by myself. Photo's will follow soon!

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 08, 2015, 07:54:49 PM
Hi Remco,
please, check for an eventual warping in the rear of the fuselage, it's less difficult to correct it before the halves are joined.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on June 08, 2015, 08:19:07 PM
Great! I will have a look! Thanks for the tip, Massimo!


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: xan on June 09, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Hello Remco,
great! this kit will be may next mount. I will do a Normandie plane too. the de la Poype's one.

(http://airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-1/color2/photo_yak-1b_05-4.jpg)

and you what plane did you choose?

Xan


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on June 09, 2015, 08:27:14 PM
Hi Xan!

You never going to believe it. I am going to build this plane also. We can do a dual build! I got the decals from B-realistic, and i found it great markings....

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: xan on October 11, 2015, 09:48:30 PM
hello Remco i just see now the post you send un june!
did you start (and perhaps end) the model?
I 'm building it. see the step by step (in french) in this link:
http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=89670 (http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=89670)

Xan


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on May 05, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
Hi Xan!

Long time when i checked this topic, i thought i had to start a new topic. I have read your build. Very well done!!. It was extremely helpful for some questions about the bottles inside the cockpit. When i was building the Spitfire, i found some renewed intrest about the Yak-1b. Now i am motivated to have a ''green black'' camouflaged plane in my collection  :D

Unfortunately i have bad lighting on my workbench. With the sell of two T-34 tanks, i now had a budget to buy a new light for making WIP photo's....

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on May 05, 2016, 07:56:56 PM
For making this Yak, i use the Modelsvit Yak-1b kit and all three Armory PE/ resin wheels updates

(http://s20.postimg.org/6yuzhguux/foto_s_17_04_2013_120.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6yuzhguux/)

I want to open up the maintenance hatches in the cockpit. Unfortunately the detail in the cockpit is minimal and some parts are missing to (radio and the framing for attaching the plating of the hatches). So, on to scratchbuild city. The trip pays off!

(http://s20.postimg.org/cxhzj6sl5/20160418_203138.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/cxhzj6sl5/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/jvm3p4qpl/20160418_203105.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jvm3p4qpl/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/r7mygxjjt/20160418_203245.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/r7mygxjjt/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/mzs686i49/20160418_203210.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mzs686i49/)

The flaps are very difficult to create. a lot of small parts and lots dry-fitting...

(http://s20.postimg.org/bsjc02gqh/DSC_1545.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/bsjc02gqh/)

I was also not very satisfied with the control surfaces. These are very thick. To correct this, i used Vector resin Yak-7/9 control surfaces. Some adjustments (no, lets call i surgery  ;D) were made to fit the Yak-1b.

(http://s20.postimg.org/kc2pxtp2x/DSC_1547.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/kc2pxtp2x/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/qsbonwxmh/20160503_025608.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qsbonwxmh/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/qgu8b5h6h/20160503_025503.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qgu8b5h6h/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/ohdmjqmux/20160503_025700.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ohdmjqmux/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/jk01ymkvt/20160503_025637.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jk01ymkvt/)

....and some other WIP photo's

(http://s20.postimg.org/mfhqj8e9l/20160418_202805.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mfhqj8e9l/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/iyb32iptl/20160422_163201.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/iyb32iptl/)

(http://s20.postimg.org/cto62xn3t/20160418_202848.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/cto62xn3t/)

I hope you like it (and its a bit correct)!

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on June 07, 2016, 03:01:30 PM
Hey guys,

I am painting the interior of the yak-1b. The color of the seat is a bit of a mystery to me. Normally its A-14 grey with a black of brown fabrics on the backseat. I have a color photo of a Yak-1b in the Polish museum, but then the seat is green (aluminium primer) and the armored plate with the fabrics A-14. My question is: Were the armored plates (or backseat of the Yak-1b) black or A-14 grey? 

Thanks in advance

Regards,

Remco :D


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 09, 2016, 07:02:07 AM
Hi Remco,
I suppose it was grey. Have you reasons to think that it was painted black?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: xan on June 09, 2016, 11:14:17 PM
Hello Remco,
beautiful work! I wanted to open th efuselage just as you did but At last I didn't....
I do want to see the final result, keep going on!
Xan


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on June 13, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
Hey Guys!

Massimo, it was indeed grey. I had a mix up with another armored vehicle.

Hi Xan, thanks! I am busy painting the interior. I have the photo's of the Yak-1b, in the Polish museum. But now i see that the floor is painted green. How thrustworty is that?

(http://s20.postimg.org/i39xjl4xl/DSC_1670.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/i39xjl4xl/)


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 13, 2016, 05:37:05 PM
Hi Remco,
I think that it's a color employed for some postwar restoration, possibly the same shade of wheel disks.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: KL on June 14, 2016, 03:07:18 AM
... I have the photo's of the Yak-1b, in the Polish museum. But now i see that the floor is painted green. How thrustworty is that?

(http://s20.postimg.org/i39xjl4xl/DSC_1670.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/i39xjl4xl/)

Hi Remco,

that looks like an interesting photo - can you please scan it and post scan for all of us?

For the sake of historical accuracy:  There are no Yak-1s in Polish museums. None!!! The sole preserved Yak-1 (one and only preserved Yak-1 of close to 10 000 made!!!) is displayed in Saratov, Russia. This particular plane was donated by F. Golovatiy to HSU B. Yeryomin in Dec 1942.  It was returned to Saratov in mid 1944 and kept in the regional museum since then.  It was overpainted numerous times...  Finaly, it was overhualed, extremely poorly in 2013.

This is all one and the same plane:

In Dec 1942
(http://www.airwar.ru/history/av2ww/soviet/yak1/erymn_b2.jpg)

in 1943:
(http://www.aviaspace.ru/upload/medialibrary/3f3/3f36291c68c352f91cdeb0fbaafbe127.jpg)

in 1944
(http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/yak1b7eremin1.b4zqmtamwo0k0ko00ss08wggg.ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4.th.jpeg)

in 2000
(http://monino.ru/img/yak1_3_relikv/yak_1_5.jpg)

around 2010
(http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/comment-image/54652.jpg)

in Dec 2013
(http://www.4vsar.ru/i/gallery/2283/big/20309.jpg)

Sad that all fabric, with original paint, had been lost in 2013 restoration...

HTH,
KL



 


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on June 14, 2016, 09:25:36 PM
Hi KL!

Glad that you joined the threat!  :D I value your expertise and opinion enormus. Here is my link. Its indeed the Russian museum Yak-1b, not a Polish one. Sorry. Here is my link.

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat_cid_198.html

The restoration of the Yak is shocking. Green/green with light blue. Regarding the info about russian WWII colors, is this very wrong and not professional.  :-[

What is your opinion about the wheel wells and landing gear colors? It can be all blue, blue wheel wells and grey landing gear, all grey. Were there time tables about the use of the colors on the wheel wells and landing gear? Thanks in advance  :D

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: KL on June 15, 2016, 02:39:14 AM
Hi Remco,

Yak-1 raised from the Krivoe Lake (Murmansk region) few years ago has been treated much more "professionally".  It's been properly conserved, partially restored and it is now displayed in Zadorozhniy museum near Moscow.

(https://h-a.d-cd.net/6bccfaas-960.jpg)

Photos of this plane are available all over the web:

https://www.drive2.com/c/2396853/

https://www.drive2.ru/c/2396877/

https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/b737/album/234686
 
Unfortunatelly no photos of the wheel wells and photo of the wheel covers is inconclusive.  The only useful, is the photo of the landing flaps:

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/55905/28155927.1e7/0_117a43_88527285_L.jpg)

Definitively "steel gray" A-14... because of this, I would use the same colour for cockpit and wheel wells...


Seat back armour is a difficult question... In 1940-41 it was definitively olive green - there are several I-153 and MiG-3 back armour plates with well preserved green paint.

(http://tn.new.fishki.net/26/upload/post/201407/16/1285836/60dde12560fb4e11813b1dc32fa6338b.jpg)


On the other hand, back armour of the N-N Yak-3 (made in late 1944) which is preserved/displayed at Bourget museum is gray...

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on July 12, 2016, 11:19:20 PM
Hi guys!

Thanks for the huge help KL!! Once again, you put me on the right track.about the colors. I am very busy with the cockpit, and have a "beta-test" set up. Dry fit, to make shure everything is well....

(https://s20.postimg.org/5rm8kzcjd/_20160712_215055.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5rm8kzcjd/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/tih0pcncp/_20160712_214743.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/tih0pcncp/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/gd63wziux/_20160712_215027.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/gd63wziux/)


(https://s20.postimg.org/aayh6huex/_20160712_215812.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/aayh6huex/)

Instrument panel is almost done!

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on July 19, 2016, 10:29:36 AM
Cockpit is finnished!!!

(https://s20.postimg.org/90f44e915/_20160718_214259.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/90f44e915/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/i6xeroe9l/_20160718_214334.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/i6xeroe9l/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/z66d6xph5/_20160718_214410.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/z66d6xph5/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/itwbh7b5l/_20160718_214445.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/itwbh7b5l/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/6187h9zjt/_20160718_214517.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6187h9zjt/)


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Basilisk on July 19, 2016, 12:09:44 PM
Looking very busy indeed. But why didn't you add the other coolant pipe on the right hand side? Also, I think you have the ruder pedals the wrong way round. If not, I have them wrong  :'(

I used this picture as a reference.
(http://www.skyline-apa.com.au/Models/Russia/Yak-1-Cockpit-1.jpg)

Cheers, Peter


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on July 19, 2016, 04:14:03 PM
Hi Peter,

The other coolant pipe is on the wing section (i will post a other photo of this). The pedals are indeed missing the pipes on the bottom of the pedal. A 0.3 mm wire will fixthat. No major surgery. On the top side, there is a leather belt (as seen on you photo's). 

Thanks for your comment!

Regards Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on July 27, 2016, 08:49:27 AM
Hi guys,

I have put the hull sides and wing section together. This was not an easy task (as i assumed). Luckily the cockpit section went perfect in the wings, so no gaps in that section. In the tail and rear hull section, are small gaps. Nothing what some Tamiya putty can't handle. There is a gap between the lower section of the engine and wing placement. I have to be careful to encounter that, due the detail of the nice rivets there.

Unfortunately the lower section of the seat is to big. I have a spare lower end of the Eduard Yak-3 seat, so i will add that section to the Modelsvit backseat. To make things worse, i had finnish the seat already.... :-\

When i have fixed the gaps i will post some photo's soon.

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on July 27, 2016, 11:10:39 AM
Hi Remco,
isn't it possible to reduce the lower part of the original seat by filing it on the outside only? Usually plastic seats are much thicker than the real metal ones, in proportion.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on July 27, 2016, 11:52:55 AM
Hi Massimo,

I was thinking of this option to. But if i do this, the part will not be square but a rectangle. The Eduard part is already very thin (and requires one or two strokes with the sanding stick), and fits perfect. The main issue is de-thatching the seatbelts. I have tried to replicate the parts with lead foil and tissue paper. Effects were awesome, and i had a real good look off the fabric belt parts! Then i had to add the holes in the belts, and it went bad. The holes i can create, but the consistency of making eight or nine holes, with the same distance is an issue. I was creating the holes with my punch an die set, using a needle punching through the smallest hole. Maybe i gain more accuracy if i put a thin ruler or plastic cart next to it... 

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Basilisk on July 27, 2016, 03:50:29 PM
Yes the seat is definitely too large in the kit and I should have sanded it down a bit in my build. But it does fit. The problem is that the side panels in the kit are located too low and the seat is located too high!

I attached the side panel 1mm above the intended location and I lowered the seat pan nearly to the bottom of the backrest. Then it does match drawings of the cockpit I have (you can see this in the pictures of my build).

The seatbelts are indeed a bit of a challenge. The Eduard creation is much too small and the one from the Gonza PE set are a bit too large (and the harness on the Armory PE set are the wrong type and look odd). It is a Sutton type harness, but the lap strap is longer as used by the RAF (only two holes), so unfortunately the excellent fabric HGW harness doesn't work. Looking forward to see your Harness creation.

By the way, lots of very useful pictures here http://karopka.ru/forum/forum212/topic457/ (http://karopka.ru/forum/forum212/topic457/)

Cheers, Peter



Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on July 27, 2016, 09:57:07 PM
Hi Peter,

The seat is indeed a very tricky thing to add correctly.
The seatbelts were a bit small. Your option of the HGW harness is pretty good! But the extra holes are indeed missing...

I will have to experiment a little more. But not to long. It has to be done in September....


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: KL on July 28, 2016, 12:04:31 AM
This is Yak-1b seat from a 1943 manual

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/Yak-1%20seat_zps0ot8l1zo.jpg)

Note that there is a third belt on front edge of the seat!!!

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on July 28, 2016, 07:23:23 AM
Hi KL,

Excellent reference material!!! I didn't know about the third belt! Now i can make the seat super correct! I also see a buckle in the backseat, where the belt goes through.  Probably welded or bolted to the armored plate. I see i have a lot to do, on the seat now  :D

Regards,

Remco 


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on July 29, 2016, 09:49:06 AM
Hi Remco,
try fixing two needles with adhesive paper and eventually a spacer between them. So you can impress two holes in a time, and then you use the second hole as a guide to make the third one evenly spaced.
To be honest, I never tried this.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on August 20, 2016, 04:19:12 PM
Yes! Seat problem solved. A major overhaul and some tweaking and tuning, but i am happy with the results.

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/tx0czm915/" target="_blank">(https://s20.postimg.org/tx0czm915/_20160820_155847.jpg)[/url]

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/hejrj1c1l/" target="_blank">(https://s20.postimg.org/hejrj1c1l/_20160820_160035.jpg)[/url]

<a href="https://postimg.org/image/trs0c7cc9/" target="_blank">(https://s20.postimg.org/trs0c7cc9/_20160820_160059.jpg)[/url]


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on August 21, 2016, 09:49:26 AM
Hi Remco,
looks very good.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on October 09, 2016, 05:01:33 PM
Hi guys!

I am now on to the painting and decal process. I see there is a lot of discussion on the colors and numbers. I have seen a proposel of the white camouflage, that KL made. Very intresting and a possibility. I will post photo's soon!


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on November 10, 2016, 08:13:05 AM
It has been a long time ago, but progress has been made. i was working around the clock to finnish the plane before the Dutch IPMS contest. i didn't made it, but that's OK. Now i have the time to work on it, without any haste. Because i worked every free minute on it, i have a lot to show....

All fitted...

(https://s20.postimg.org/p3pugbvg9/_20160826_135637.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/p3pugbvg9/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/udut7mfp5/_20160826_135609.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/udut7mfp5/)

I painted the Yak in AMT-4 Green, AMT-6 black and the belly AMT-7 blue. Colours are from Akan. It was a challenge to cover the maintenance hatches on the sides. I used some sponge material and locked it with some wire to hold it in to place.

(https://s20.postimg.org/5nwvqemm1/DSC_0451.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5nwvqemm1/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/xmr1h9o8p/DSC_0457.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xmr1h9o8p/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/o0xh0yx2x/DSC_0464.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/o0xh0yx2x/)

Unfortunately the numbers are not correct. After reading Xan's topic, i decided i go for number 30. This special numbering i don't have for planes, but i have rub-on decals for Soviet tanks. The 1/35 numbering fits the size of the numbers on the plane. Lucky me! I have the 0, but not the 3. After some mix and matching, i could make the 3 from cutting up the 6 and 7 digits

(https://s20.postimg.org/wusyvt9fd/received_1157784364288152.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/wusyvt9fd/)

...and it works!

But disaster strikes. When i wanted to add the last decals of the sharkmouth, it fragmented in pieces. Although i was devastated, i had two options. Buy another decal sheet and hope for the best, or spray the sharkmouth on the model. this is uncharted territory for me, but i wanted to give it a try.

First i had to make the shape of the mouth...

(https://s20.postimg.org/yb4hdycc9/DSC_0477.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/yb4hdycc9/)

...sprayed it all white...

(https://s20.postimg.org/xfclc8s1l/DSC_0481.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xfclc8s1l/)

...taped the teeth and on to the red...

(https://s20.postimg.org/mehg77zsp/DSC_0483.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/mehg77zsp/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/f9zmy6sjd/DSC_0485.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/f9zmy6sjd/)

...and then the black outlining.

(https://s20.postimg.org/71t3zgb95/DSC_0487.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/71t3zgb95/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/6dk9gicjd/DSC_0486.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6dk9gicjd/)

I was happy with the results.  :D

(https://s20.postimg.org/cq40434zd/_20161021_151853.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/cq40434zd/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/4w3eiox6h/_20161021_151927.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4w3eiox6h/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/f4vvoil89/_20161021_151957.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/f4vvoil89/)

And then i was off to the winter camouflagge. This was a difficult thing, but i am convinced by KL's saying about beeing a disruptive camouflage instead of weathered off winter camouflage. so i sprayed a very light layer of Vallejo white with the airbrush. I used Panzerputty for a soft ege look...

(https://s20.postimg.org/lu2f4j6k9/_20161024_095552.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/lu2f4j6k9/)

...then i went with the oils of 502 Abteilung faded UN white

(https://s20.postimg.org/4s9l2frp5/_20161101_115809.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4s9l2frp5/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/oyd31bncp/_20161101_115903.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/oyd31bncp/)

And this is the story so far. I hope you like it!

Remco







Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: KL on November 10, 2016, 06:38:36 PM
Hi Remco,
good to see my interpretation realized in plastic! It looks great!

I agree with Xan regarding the number 30; everything points to that number.

Regarding the camouflage, disruptive winter camouflage makes an interesting story:  
By its factory serial, it's certain that this particular Yak left factory in temporary white finish. Unlike other Normandie Yaks which were washed at the end of April (from memoirs), de la Poype's Yak was washed earlier and then camouflaged in disruptive winter camouflage. This type of camouflage could have been appropriate for end of March and April when snow thaws quickly. Again from memoirs, we know that winter 1942/43 ended abruptly in third week of March with typical "rasputitsa" - it was muddy, slushy snow everywhere.  Still, patches of snow remained for most of the April. By the beginning of May, French aviators admired blossoms and green Russian spring...

IMHO, there should be more white on wings. check this photo:

(http://airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-1/color2/photo_yak-1b_05-5.jpg)

That could be the original factory white on the outer wing!

Regards,
KL  


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: xan on November 10, 2016, 10:21:37 PM
Very nice to see KL interpratation in a model indeed.
It's possible and an interesting choise...
but I didn't do it  :)

Xan


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 11, 2016, 08:02:21 AM
Hi Remco,
your model is very good-looking. I like particularly the work made on the masking and painting of the shark(or what it is)mouth. Probably it adheres to the curved surface much better than any decal.

About the story of the camouflage of the plane: a small detail in the photo is interesting and of difficult interpretation. On the leading edge of the photo of the real plane, the division between the white and the black part of the wing has a very small white step going under the black band.
(http://airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-1/color2/photo_yak-1b_05-5.jpg)
This can suggest that the white winter paint was selectively deleted from the inner part of the wing, including the leading edge, or that the wing and leading edge were retouched or repainted with blue and black. A partial repainting seems coherent with the semigloss look of the black paint over the wing. For comparison, the blue part of the leading edge seems to have still traces of white paint.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Markino on November 11, 2016, 03:20:47 PM
Great job Remco!! My congratulations!

Ciao!

Marco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on November 12, 2016, 09:33:37 AM
Hi Guys,

Xan- That's the beauty of modeling, we all got our own interpetation. Your post solved a lot of mistery and a lot of time, so it was very usefull. The plane that you made looks very nice! i like it a lot!

KL- In Xan's post i read carefully and examined the photo's a lot. I came to the conclusion that the disruptive camouflage is very possible. So you made the drawing and i looked the Galchenko photo's for comparrison. I have made the withe on the wings larger by painting the next blotch also white. So i didn't made the whole wing white, with only the wingtips in the black or green camouflage (its a disruptive camouflage. If i paint the whole wing white, it will look a bit odd). I also made the tip of the elevator more white. I have seen this on the photo to. Also i came to the conclusion that the spinner is not just white, but it has the French roundel on it! Red white and a small blue dot on the tip.

Massimo- I think its the AMT blue undersurface with  a small residue of the white (or green chips) on the leading ege.

Markino- Thanks!

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on December 01, 2016, 06:15:02 PM
Busy with the fuel indicators on the wings  :D
I damaged the Armory indicators, so i had to scratchbuild the whole indicator...

(https://s20.postimg.org/3wir236rd/DSC_0613.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/3wir236rd/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/abhryrdh5/DSC_0615.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/abhryrdh5/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/n07h4ou7t/_20161126_195644.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/n07h4ou7t/)

Regards,

Remco


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: 4bogreen on December 27, 2016, 04:00:48 PM
Exhausts placed. I painted them with Alclad exhaust manifold. The landing gear indicators are painted red. I used a thick metal data cable wire. To weather the colors a bit and to tone the white down, i used the Mig filters. Brown for dark green on the white parts (to create a shine throu look) and dark grey for white on the undersurface (to create a smokey and stained basecolor)

(https://s20.postimg.org/5z9gs7apl/1482577942570.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5z9gs7apl/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/xlc8cvu2h/1482577931718.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xlc8cvu2h/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/lm0q5kohl/1482578050464.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/lm0q5kohl/)

(https://s20.postimg.org/wzruuioe1/1482578062392.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/wzruuioe1/)

I hope you like it!


Title: Re: 1/48 Modelsvit Yak-1b 1943 ''Normandie Niemen"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 28, 2016, 07:06:33 AM
Hi Remco,
yes, the model is very nice. Only, I don't understand your decision to paint those white bands on the fuselage. None of the photos show them.
Regards
Massimo