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Title: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Javier Planells on May 06, 2016, 04:55:44 AM
Hi guys,

I'm currently building this little critter from the U-2 by ICM. Do you happen to have any idea about the colours? Maybe red with a blue "E-23" outlined in yellow?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/law1/ye23/ye23-3.jpg (http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/law1/ye23/ye23-3.jpg)

http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/law1/ye23-i.jpg (http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/law1/ye23-i.jpg)

I'm amiss with the scheme and your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 06, 2016, 12:11:38 PM
Hi,
looks very nice, but I haven't any information on it. Where and when was it photographed?
I see some resemblance to some R-5s adapted for polar flights, said to be painted red.
Regards
Massimo



Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Javier Planells on May 06, 2016, 10:00:37 PM
Yes, that's another favourite of mine, the ARK-5. According to airwar.ru the pictures were taken at an air race in Tushino, September 1935.

"Самолет названный Э-23 (У-2 экспериментальный 23-го завода), предполагался к участию в гонках спортивных самолетов в сентябре 1935 года. Э-23 со стартовым номером "21", нанесенным на передней части фюзеляжа, был запечатлен на фотографиях в Тушино, однако сведения о преодолении им маршрута перелета отсутствуют."

It's too glossy to be the green of that time if we compare it to the U-2 pictures I've seen online and on books. I don't know about blue, red or cherry red like Bashneft's Mijelson CCCP X-5. Maybe yellow captured on orthochromatic film?

I didn't find even plans for the mods. Closed cockpit, U-4 style, altered wing, but the cockpit cabanes layout is a mistery.

If you can dig out some other info, I'd really appreciate it.

Best regards!


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on May 07, 2016, 07:57:36 AM
There is a colour profile of this experimental plane in the  "Легендарный У-2" book by Иванов В.П.and Петров Г.Ф.

E-23 is drawn as dark (navy) blue.  Number and letter on its tail are red with white "thickness".  Fuselage number 21 is also white...
According to this book the plane was finished to "mirror glossy" surface...

(http://i2.wp.com/xn--80aafy5bs.xn--p1ai/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2.Legkij-samolet-E-23..jpg?fit=1050%2C504)

Designer's name in English is probably better spelled as Mihel'son....   ???

This is from Shavrov

Э-23 (Экспериментальный самолет) - вариант учебного У-2, выпущенный в 1935 г. и предназначенный для выполнения перевернутых полетов. Автор - Николай Густавович Михельсон. Были изменены профиль крыльев и топливная система, на нижнем крыле сделаны посадочные щитки. Профиль крыльев - симметричный той же 9 %-ной толщины. Карбюратор - специальный, приспособленный для работы в перевернутом положении и для быстрой смены режимов полета. Соответственно были сделаны топливная проводка и дренажная система баков. Двигатель-М-11.

Самолет получился удачный, и полет на спине выполнялся без осложнений. Однако для некоторых фигур требовался двигатель более мощный. Самолет остался как интересный опытный образец.

Other U-2 you mentioned SSSR H-5 ( СПЛ (СП, лимузин ?Башнефть?) was designed by Barsuk

(http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/AV/AV02-5/8-1.jpg)

In same bbok, this plane is drawn as red and yellow.  Its rudder is stripped in yellow and white.

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Javier Planells on May 08, 2016, 01:24:20 AM
That's very interesting, Konstantin. A really pretty scheme indeed. I was wondering if the trim to the red "E-23" could be yellow. It's tone is much greyer than the 21 on the front fuselage.

Massimo gives this value for dark blue, so it should make for an interesting variation of the U-2 usual schemes.

(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/chips/darkblue.jpg)

Are there any plans or 3-views of this airplane? I have a very clear idea about its layout but somethings are still a bit fuzzy. The flu got me down so I'm devoting to research this weekend.

All the best.


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on May 09, 2016, 12:38:35 AM
Blue colour is darker than the chip you refer to.  It is close to A-9 oil paint in Massimo's table:

(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/chips/A9darkblue.jpg)

Similar dark blue colour can be seen on the ANT-25 nose.  Clips from the 1939 colour movie (World Expo in New York 1939-40):

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4135/126007.8/0_79142_94b8829a_XL.jpg)

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4123/126007.8/0_79145_4fd3a3a1_XL.jpg)


... I was wondering if the trim to the red "E-23" could be yellow. It's tone is much greyer than the 21 on the front fuselage.


IMHO, light blue makes more sense with dark blue plane...  Or light gray - trim looks very similar to the colour of the plane in background.  This plane (Avianito-1) was  light gray with red trims.

(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/law1/anito/anito1-1.jpg)

Quote from 1935 magazine:

Серый, с двумя поперечными красными полосами на крыльях самолет привлекает всеобщее внимание. Это трехместный ?Авиавнито-1?.
from http://rustik68.narod.ru/kazan/aviaperelet-5500_1935.html

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: 66misos on May 09, 2016, 09:17:07 AM
Hi,
here is a better picture of ANT-25 at Monino showing that dark blue:
(http://pics.livejournal.com/igor113/pic/00cz6gtd)

However, blue on TsKB-19 engine cowling is apparently lighter:
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/mark-colors/tskb15.jpg)

Regards,
    66misos


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on May 10, 2016, 02:32:47 AM
Following are the profiles published in the book "Legendary U-2" by Ivanov & Petrov:

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/U-2_E-23_SSSR-H5_zpsns2zeqed.jpg)

IMHO, colours are convincing and information comes from authorities...

E-23 colour is known as Prussian blue.   Another name for the color is Berlin blue or, in painting, Parisian or Paris blue.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Prussian_blue.jpg/220px-Prussian_blue.jpg)


Packard presented to V. Chkalov by Stalin is similar colour:

(https://360carmuseum.com/data/museums/8/expo/678/image/0.jpg)

HTH,
KL



Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 12, 2016, 07:37:40 AM
Hi,
was E-23 a military plane? I am surprised to see red stars drawn under the wings of the profile.
I see something similar to a star under the wing here:
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/law1/ye23-i.jpg)
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/u-2/e-23detail.jpg)
but it seems to be very moved backwards and without the 'legs'.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Javier Planells on May 13, 2016, 12:45:26 AM
Thanks for the heads up, KL, Massimo annd Misos ;D

From a saturation point of view, it looks like both ANT-25 and TsKB-19 share the same hue (Prussian Blue), ever so with a different shade. Don't know much about the subject though, so your opinion is highly respected. What colour on the humbrol range would you advise? For the E-23, I can't make out from the photographs a star under the wing but maybe my eyesight's not what it used to be.

That SPL looks really nice. I don't know who to take into account to paint it when I build it, for South Front instructions tell you to paint it cherry red and cream with no white stripes on the rudder.

South Front states that early series U-2s were clear doped inside the cockpit. On later releases the inside was painted silver up to the mid 30's when they received a coat of A-14. Would the time frame be correct? From a picture on the internet of a similarly canopied U-2 to the E-23, it would seem a very light colour but I can't find the picture right now.

Already built CCCP-C138 with the clear varnished interior and it looks nice, so I'm trying to build these kits right and do them honor.

Sorry for the long post. I have so many questions. The U-2 is my favourite soviet plane, hands down.

All the best.


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 13, 2016, 07:56:41 AM
Hi Javier,
about the colors in Humbrol range, I think that 15 is appropriate for the darkest blue, and 14 for the nose of I-17.
The instructions on the internal colors look likely.
If you have already built models, it would be very nice to see some photos.
From the detail of the photo, I see something similar to a red star, but its position is strangely moved rearwards and seems to go out of the rear edge, so I suspect that it could be a reflection of some other thing on the polished surface.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Psy06 on May 13, 2016, 08:10:45 AM
Hi,
here is a better picture of ANT-25 at Monino showing that dark blue:
(http://pics.livejournal.com/igor113/pic/00cz6gtd)
Regards,    66misos

Hi collegues, some notes.

It is not real ANT-25, it is maquette built for the movie, which was released in 1979. Since legendary times was preserved two authentic ANT-25, but Gromov's 25-1 was destroed at 1941 during the bombing of the Moscow region by Luftwaffe. Second ANT-25 is survived, and live now at Chkalov's home-museum, but you can't catch any info about his real painting, just "because" :)

This one real N25, but his external paints is modern.
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/49649/62938661.14/0_ed9cf_52fce033_L.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/heavybomber/album/200075/view/973263)

Inside possibly real paints:
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/48890/62938661.14/0_ed9d0_1a1ce7b5_L.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/heavybomber/album/200075/view/973264)


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 13, 2016, 01:45:34 PM
Hi Psy,
thank you for the information.
The Chkalov museum declares that the painting of the TsKB-15 is real (probably they mean that it was repainted accurately, because I think to see two layers of paint on photos). If so, I hope that they used the same care for the ANT-25.
The plane in Monino looks extremely convincing as a model.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Psy06 on May 13, 2016, 08:43:43 PM
Hi Psy,
thank you for the information.
The Chkalov museum declares that the painting of the TsKB-15 is real

Sorry to disappoint you, but the incompetence of the staff technical museums in Russia, reaching a legendary proportions. The TsKB-15 paint gives the origin of the nearest building store. Soviet aircraft paints usually have shades are not comparable with the modern palette.

Even on the car can be seen with the naked eye that it repainted.

By the way, Massimo, if you interested to see a real wartime AC colors, actually moderm Russia military still uses it!
I have long laughed when realized that the 3-color camouflage for armored vehicles painted in exactly the same paint colors that soviet aviation camouflage 1943!

I checked it personally, it is some colors!

(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/53211/62938661.14/0_ed9d9_2df48235_L.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/heavybomber/album/200075/view/973273)
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/122076/62938661.14/0_ed9d7_cdca00d8_L.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/heavybomber/album/200075/view/973271)
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/54004/62938661.14/0_ed9d8_ac272781_L.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/heavybomber/album/200075/view/973272)
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/41138/62938661.14/0_ed9d6_fbe91a59_L.jpg) (https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/heavybomber/album/200075/view/973270)

Color variations at fotos just camera bias, actually paints identical.


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Javier Planells on May 14, 2016, 01:02:30 AM
Hi Javier,
about the colors in Humbrol range, I think that 15 is appropriate for the darkest blue, and 14 for the nose of I-17.
The instructions on the internal colors look likely.
If you have already built models, it would be very nice to see some photos.
From the detail of the photo, I see something similar to a red star, but its position is strangely moved rearwards and seems to go out of the rear edge, so I suspect that it could be a reflection of some other thing on the polished surface.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,

Yes, I just checked my tin cans and H-15 should do the trick. I may add a tiny drop of grey or white to light it up a bit for scale effect, but from the pictures it looks plain dark and glossy. Gotta finish my Yak-9 first, but U-2s are so easy to build and enjoyable ;D

Would love to post the VVS models built but lost most of the collection in a fire in 2012. I'm slowly bringing myself back into modeling and CCCP C138 is the first soviet plane I've finished in eight years. The old KP kit, but still worthwhile. I have to take better pictures of it.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/javier_planells/Maquetas%20JIP/Foto19811.jpg)

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/javier_planells/Maquetas%20JIP/Foto19821.jpg)

The lower wing reflection looks like the silver/grey U-2 in the back, race number 44. I'm not sure if E-23 carried red stars on the wings, it was a civilian aircraft after all.

Have a great weekend.


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on May 14, 2016, 08:05:58 AM

Sorry to disappoint you, but the incompetence of the staff technical museums in Russia, reaching a legendary proportions. The TsKB-15 paint gives the origin of the nearest building store. Soviet aircraft paints usually have shades are not comparable with the modern palette.

Even on the car can be seen with the naked eye that it repainted.

Hi Dmitriy,
it's gross negligence and it's reaching tragic proportions...  It's not only museum technical staff.  Historic airplanes have been "restored" by volunteer groups, by aviation industry or overhaul depots and the result is always the same: valuable historic material has been destroyed.

Unique Yak-1 preserved in Saratov regional museum was restored in 2013 by 356-ом авиационном ремонтном заводе в Энгельсе (356th Overhaul Depot in Engels)

Before restauration in black-green camouflage
(http://airaces.narod.ru/all4/erymin18.jpg)

After the restoration in green-brown camo
(http://www.4vsar.ru/i/gallery/2283/big/20309.jpg)

Original presentation logo:
(http://monino.ru/img/yak1_3_relikv/yak_1_4.jpg)

Presentation logo before restauration
(http://monino.ru/img/yak1_3_relikv/yak_1_5.jpg)

and after the restoration
(http://www.4vsar.ru/i/gallery/2283/big/20314.jpg)

All original fabric has been replaced, cockpit canopy shape has been altered, under-wing metal panels have been replaced and riveted to the wing etc...   :( 

regards,
KL 


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 14, 2016, 05:30:55 PM
Hi Dmitriy,
you mean that you have compared the colors of the vehicles to Akan paints AMT-7, 1 and 12, and are identical?
Another thing: for what you know, is  the lighter color of the veicles always the same light brown, or there are vehicles with light beige or light green? Some firms as MIG and AK-Interactive offer a wide palette of modern Russian colors, the main variation seems to be the light shade.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 14, 2016, 05:36:26 PM
Hi Javier,

Quote
Yes, I just checked my tin cans and H-15 should do the trick. I may add a tiny drop of grey or white to light it up a bit for scale effect, but from the pictures it looks plain dark and glossy. Gotta finish my Yak-9 first, but U-2s are so easy to build and enjoyable Grin

Would love to post the VVS models built but lost most of the collection in a fire in 2012. I'm slowly bringing myself back into modeling and CCCP C138 is the first soviet plane I've finished in eight years. The old KP kit, but still worthwhile. I have to take better pictures of it.

thank you for showing the U-2. I hope to see better images of it when possible.
Too bad for the loss of your collection. But, I fear that it wasn't the worst damage made by the fire.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: JP on May 14, 2016, 08:49:04 PM

Sorry to disappoint you, but the incompetence of the staff technical museums in Russia, reaching a legendary proportions. The TsKB-15 paint gives the origin of the nearest building store. Soviet aircraft paints usually have shades are not comparable with the modern palette.

Even on the car can be seen with the naked eye that it repainted.

Hi Dmitriy,
it's gross negligence and it's reaching tragic proportions...  It's not only museum technical staff.  Historic airplanes have been "restored" by volunteer groups, by aviation industry or overhaul depots and the result is always the same: valuable historic material has been destroyed.

Unique Yak-1 preserved in Saratov regional museum was restored in 2013 by 356-ом авиационном ремонтном заводе в Энгельсе (356th Overhaul Depot in Engels)

Before restauration in black-green camouflage
(http://airaces.narod.ru/all4/erymin18.jpg)

After the restoration in green-brown camo
(http://www.4vsar.ru/i/gallery/2283/big/20309.jpg)

Original presentation logo:
(http://monino.ru/img/yak1_3_relikv/yak_1_4.jpg)

Presentation logo before restauration
(http://monino.ru/img/yak1_3_relikv/yak_1_5.jpg)

and after the restoration
(http://www.4vsar.ru/i/gallery/2283/big/20314.jpg)

All original fabric has been replaced, cockpit canopy shape has been altered, under-wing metal panels have been replaced and riveted to the wing etc...   :( 

regards,
KL 

Looks like they were using that incredible (literally) reference penned by that guy with the personality disorder.


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on May 15, 2016, 08:07:27 AM
Hi Havier,

Humbrol H15 midnight blue looks OK for U-2 E-23 model:

(http://www.modely-plastikove.cz/images/generic/detail/149314-barva-akryl-tmave-modra-midnight-blue-h-15.jpg)

... I just checked my tin cans and H-15 should do the trick. I may add a tiny drop of grey or white to light it up a bit for scale effect, but from the pictures it looks plain dark and glossy.


Yes, it looks very dark and glossy; no need for white.
H15 seems as a good choice becouse it is glossy:

(http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp303/BACAIRFIX/Airfix%20Built%20Kits/SunbeamRapier15_zpsb1815af9.jpg)

(http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp303/BACAIRFIX/Airfix%20Built%20Kits/SunbeamRapier12_zpse8da426b.jpg)

compare photos above with E-23 photo

(http://i2.wp.com/xn--80aafy5bs.xn--p1ai/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2.Legkij-samolet-E-23..jpg?fit=1050%2C504)

E-23 was extremely glossy.  :)


The lower wing reflection looks like the silver/grey U-2 in the back, race number 44. I'm not sure if E-23 carried red stars on the wings, it was a civilian aircraft after all.

Profile in Ivanov's book clearly has red stars on lover wings - check my previous post...  It isn't clear weather this plane was a "civilian" or "military". E-23 on rudder looks as a type name not a registration.  If "civilian", plane would have SSSR-E23 on its fuselage.  ???

Regards,
KL


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 15, 2016, 08:53:11 AM
Hi,
Quote
Looks like they were using that incredible (literally) reference penned by that guy with the personality disorder.
it seems a lot to his drawings with AII green/AII dark green/AII light blue. Only, the AII green is not so lime.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Javier Planells on May 24, 2016, 12:20:03 AM
Hi Havier,

Humbrol H15 midnight blue looks OK for U-2 E-23 model:

(http://www.modely-plastikove.cz/images/generic/detail/149314-barva-akryl-tmave-modra-midnight-blue-h-15.jpg)

... I just checked my tin cans and H-15 should do the trick. I may add a tiny drop of grey or white to light it up a bit for scale effect, but from the pictures it looks plain dark and glossy.


Yes, it looks very dark and glossy; no need for white.
H15 seems as a good choice becouse it is glossy:

(http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp303/BACAIRFIX/Airfix%20Built%20Kits/SunbeamRapier15_zpsb1815af9.jpg)

(http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp303/BACAIRFIX/Airfix%20Built%20Kits/SunbeamRapier12_zpse8da426b.jpg)

compare photos above with E-23 photo

(http://i2.wp.com/xn--80aafy5bs.xn--p1ai/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2.Legkij-samolet-E-23..jpg?fit=1050%2C504)

E-23 was extremely glossy.  :)


The lower wing reflection looks like the silver/grey U-2 in the back, race number 44. I'm not sure if E-23 carried red stars on the wings, it was a civilian aircraft after all.

Profile in Ivanov's book clearly has red stars on lover wings - check my previous post...  It isn't clear weather this plane was a "civilian" or "military". E-23 on rudder looks as a type name not a registration.  If "civilian", plane would have SSSR-E23 on its fuselage.  ???

Regards,
KL


Thank you KL and Massimo for your help on this scheme. Yes, I agree with you, Konstantin. Chkalov's U-2 and Bashneft's SPL had special civilian registration, after all. I wonder if the "E-23" marking was painted on the other side of the rudder or just on the left side. For example, South Front decal sheet states that U-2 CCCP-N740 rudder badge was painted on one side only. Is that possible?


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 24, 2016, 06:39:49 AM
Hi Javier,
probably none knows it for sure. Probably they decided so because the emblem, as it is, can't fit on the other side of the rudder without modifications.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on May 26, 2016, 03:38:31 AM
...I wonder if the "E-23" marking was painted on the other side of the rudder or just on the left side.  For example, South Front decal sheet states that U-2 CCCP-N740 rudder badge was painted on one side only.

The plane must have had E-23 markings on both sides of the rudder!!!  this wasn't a bedge - it was type designation...

E-23 was a purely experimental plane.  It wasn't registered as a civilian plane and it wasn't a military plane.  In 1930-es there was a special category of planes funded by the Ministry of Industry (this ministry included all aviation and armament production).  These planes usually had "IE" on their tailfins or rudders:

(http://kollektsiya.ru/images/stories/db-2/samolet-db-2-01.jpg)

(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/sww2/ant41/ant41-4.jpg)

(http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/xplane/sam9-i.jpg)

HTH,

kl
 


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Javier Planells on May 28, 2016, 01:00:39 AM
Hi KL,

Yes, I agree with you. I roughly cut out the shape of the "E-23" type designation and inverted the profile. The race marking "21" was reversed on the modified profile. The type designation actually fits onto the rudder. Didn't touch the exhaust arrangement for lack of time.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r141/javier_planells/scans/U-2_E-23_RHV.jpg)

All the best,

Javier


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 28, 2016, 06:37:04 AM
Hi Javier,
this reconstructions looks likely.  On the other side there was an elegant correlation between the curve of the E and the profile of the rudder that is lost on this side, but it is very likely that the emblem was on both sides.
On the photo, I think to seee that the thickness was painted with two different shades of light color, I suppose that they are a light yellow and a dark yellow (or greys, who knows).  It is particularly visible where the inner side of the E has a corner, over the 2.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Psy06 on May 28, 2016, 10:18:43 AM
Hi Dmitriy,
you mean that you have compared the colors of the vehicles to Akan paints AMT-7, 1 and 12, and are identical?
Another thing: for what you know, is  the lighter color of the veicles always the same light brown, or there are vehicles with light beige or light green? Some firms as MIG and AK-Interactive offer a wide palette of modern Russian colors, the main variation seems to be the light shade.
Regards
Massimo

No its is original factory paints as is, AKAN is just adapted palette for modelling use, not actual colors. Variations of colors by modellers firms just his own interpretation. No one use original industrial RF military  catalogue for corect paints. AKAN used this catalogue for some paint study but not for direct reproduction actual colors.

This is the bottom line: Mr. Akanihin discovered that Soviet WW2 colors are present in the modern RF industrial military paint catalogue, and I found that ww2 colors not only present there but also used in real life :)


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Psy06 on May 28, 2016, 10:52:23 AM
Unique Yak-1 preserved in Saratov regional museum was restored in 2013 by 356-ом авиационном ремонтном заводе в Энгельсе (356th Overhaul Depot in Engels)

Saratov is a song. By the way, the Saratov  government demanded to give them famous Yak-3 returned from the United States, just imagine what they would do with him. But fortunately the Yak-3 was got to Zadorozhny' Museum, is the only one in Russia private technical museum where exhibits cherish.


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on May 29, 2016, 03:11:33 AM
Hi Javier,
more details that may help to understand what was E-23 status (an experimental plane, not registered as a civilian plane and not a military plane either...).

Registrations SSSR-E## were reserved for the planes operated by the NII GVF - Civil Aviation Research Institute. Registration SSSR-E23 was assigned to  a Fokker C.IV in 1932.  No photos of that particular plane, this is a military Fokker C.IV

(http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/AV/AV13-6/42-1.jpg)

Some other NII GVF planes:

(http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/0812/39/2386a7017c57.jpg)

(http://coollib.net/i/16/160616/pic_71.jpg)

(http://coollib.com/i/83/289183/pic_75.jpg)

(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other1/rz/rz-4.jpg)


U-2 E-23 was like this R-5 tested at TsAGI in 1935. The plane was owned by the Ministry of Industry.

(http://coollib.com/i/83/289183/pic_87.jpg)

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on June 19, 2016, 05:49:01 AM
some new information from this book

(http://www.aviationmegastore.com/img/prod/full/9/5/88272_0.jpg)
Lennart Andersson Red Stars 6 - Aeroflot origins  - an excellent book, a must have for those interested in Soviet civil aviation!!!

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/E-23%20Text-Anderson_zpssub4skwa.jpg)

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/E-23%20SSSR-I125_zpsjunhvydh.jpg)


E-23 was entered in civil aviation registry as СССР-И125 (SSSR-I125) on September 1st, 1935, one day before the beginning of the "1935 Light aircraft competition".

Photo in Andersson's book shows E-23 with both the competition start number (white 21) and the civil registration (SSSR-I125), ie as it appeared at the beginning of the competition on September 2nd, 1935.

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on June 30, 2016, 01:56:44 AM
Hi Javier,
A photo from a recently published book:

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/klesnikov/Posted%20in%20forums/E-23%20SSSR-I125%20Tushino_zpsqw8que5z.jpg)

This is the lineup before the start of "Light Aviation Competition" at Tushino Airfield on September 2, 1935.

Now you have 2 photos of SSSR-I125 !!!

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: KL on July 13, 2016, 08:53:11 PM
In 1970-es Aeroflot has regulated livery of its airliners for the first time; trim line, word "Aeroflot" and company logo were navy blue (or prussian/berlin/parisian blue)

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15491/46980979.1c9/0_106502_686a7945_orig)

Because of this, Russian modellers call this dark blue "Aeroflot blue".

HTH,
KL


Title: Re: Mijelson E-23 colour interpretation
Post by: Javier Planells on October 23, 2016, 11:56:42 PM
Was away for the last two months ;D And I find these replies and can't believe it.

Thank you so much Konstantin!

One step closer to building the E-23 :D