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Great Patriotic War Aviation => Lavochkins => Topic started by: Massimo Tessitori on January 06, 2017, 11:45:52 AM



Title: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 06, 2017, 11:45:52 AM
Hi all,
I have uploaded a page with photos and profiles of planes of 9 giap.
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/la-7/la-7colors/9giap/9giap.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la-7/la-7colors/9giap/9giap.htm)
Here are some samples:
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la-7/la-7colors/9giap/14alelyukhin-la72guns-lpr.jpg)
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la-7/la-7colors/9giap/24ametkhan-la72guns-rpr.jpg)

Please, let me know any suggestion to improve this page.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: barneybolac on January 07, 2017, 07:29:24 AM
Very nice.


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 07, 2017, 09:50:19 AM
Hi,
here is a link from Vitaliy Timoshenko, it shows eagles on the P-39 and U-2 of Amet-Khan. Perhaps it can help to improve the rendering on the profile of the La-7.
http://forums.airforce.ru/do-1945/6160-orel-na-samolete-p-39-aircobra-vyacheslava-sirotina/ (http://forums.airforce.ru/do-1945/6160-orel-na-samolete-p-39-aircobra-vyacheslava-sirotina/)
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 07, 2017, 10:49:53 AM
Hi,
I've updated the page and the drawing of the emblem of Amet-Khan. Now his pray is a small plane, not a snake.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 07, 2017, 01:59:43 PM
Hi,
I've found this page of the same subject.
http://warspot.ru/1279-samolety-sovetskih-istrebitelnyh-aviapolkov-chast-viii (http://warspot.ru/1279-samolety-sovetskih-istrebitelnyh-aviapolkov-chast-viii)
The profile of plane 17 is interesting, but the available photo isn't definitive on the red color of his nose.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: 66misos on January 07, 2017, 04:39:26 PM
Hi Massimo,
it looks very nice. Do you plan to extend that page also on other La-7 aircrafts (Kozhedub etc.)?
Link you posted abobe was already here - it shows the root of the same eagles on the different VVS planes:
(http://forums.airforce.ru/attachments/do-1945/59153d1416073750-img_294976_58234.jpg/)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: AC26 on January 07, 2017, 04:45:03 PM
I have uploaded a page with photos and profiles of planes of 9 giap.
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Please, let me know any suggestion to improve this page.
Hi Massimo,

looking how shiny the spinners are could they be silver instead of yellow?

Cheers,

AaCee


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: 66misos on January 07, 2017, 05:00:39 PM
Hi
it is interesting how M. Bykov insists on the red-outlined white board numbers, although "hard" evidence (e.g. debris) from 2-3 different Lavochkins shows only blue outline.
http://warspot.ru/1279-samolety-sovetskih-istrebitelnyh-aviapolkov-chast-viii (http://warspot.ru/1279-samolety-sovetskih-istrebitelnyh-aviapolkov-chast-viii)

From what I have read the yellow spinner (unit/squadron fast recognition) on the Ahmet Chan's La-7 has origin in the time when he flew P-39.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 08, 2017, 07:10:36 AM
Hi AaCee,
perhaps... but take into consideration that the light comes from forward.

Hi Misos,
do you know which were the squadrons of all the pilots in the page? There is a scheme with colors according to the squadron, but I don't know if it was always respected.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 17, 2017, 04:32:13 PM
Hi,
there is an interesting photo on Scalemodels.ru:
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4100&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=220 (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4100&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=220)
(https://vif2ne.org/nvi/forum/files/Viborg/(150705211328)_9giap.jpg)
The plane is of 9 giap and the emblem is as that of Amet-Khan, but the colors of the nose and spinner doesn't look the same:
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la-7/la-7colors/9giap/24ametkhan1.jpg)
I don't think to see Amet-Khan between these pilots.
Any ideas?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 18, 2017, 06:20:12 AM
Hi,
I think to see a change in shade on the spinner of the photo below. Previously I attributed it to the frontal light, but it could be that the spinner is really of two colors. But, the difference in the rear part is striking.
If the plane is the same and wasn't repainted this could be explained with the use, for the first shot, of a film turning yellow into black; if so, the spinner could be white and yellow with soft border. Only, it is the first time I see this type of film utilized for a photo of Soviet planes.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: PG monster on May 25, 2017, 08:55:19 AM
May be it's another plane. This emblem could be not personal one, but related to the sq.


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 25, 2017, 11:43:37 AM
Hi Vlad,
It is a possibilty.
If so, there have to be other photos of planes of the same unit with such emblem.
But the same could have been said for the heart with eagle of Golovachev and the heart with arrow of Alelyukhin as representative of whole squadrons.
If so, I wonder why none photo with a whole line of planes with emblems was ever published.
Is it possible to identify any of the men appearing on the photo?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: PG monster on May 25, 2017, 11:53:15 AM
Yes, I read about Aleluhin's emblem related to whole his sq., at one site.
About the persons, you can try to ask at https://vif2ne.org/nvi/forum/0/0.htm
Sadly, strange reasons prevent me to register at that forum.

Why not especial foto? Nobody knows why some regiments havn't fotos at all. Just lack of photocameras in Red army.


Title: Re: Page on La-7s of 9 giap
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 25, 2017, 09:48:16 PM
Hi Vlad,
I can't write Russian, so I can't post there. Besides, I am very confused for the interface of that type of forum.
It should be easy to confirm or deny the idea of squadron markings, any photo of planes of that squadron in early 1945, other than the aces, should work.
Perhaps this could be useful: the p-39 of Maj.Sirotin had a nearly identical marking.
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la-7/la-7colors/9giap/ametkhancobra1.jpg)


Regards
Massimo