Sovietwarplanes

Hi,
here I strated work on Yak-2 profile:

(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1299271)

Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
very nice plane. Only, rather boring for its painting, apart for some prototype.
Regards
Massimo

Hi,
here is finished Yak-2:

(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1299674)

Regards,
   66misos

Good work, Misos.
Please, check the shadow on the rear of the nacelle: if the outlet flap has a corner in light, it has to project shadow somewhere.
Besides I would darken a bit in front of the inlet, because it intercepts part of the diffused light from the rear.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
thank for comment. I added  a bit darker area/shadow in front of nacelle. Almost whole rear part of the gondola is in the shadow. So a little shadow from the open outlet flap is whithin a big shadow from the wing. At least in my interpretation.
Plus I added a little shadow beneath exhaust pipe. I replaced the corrected picture in my previous post.
Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
imho, if a thing is lightened by the sun, it has to project its shadow somewhere. If the flap is within the shadow of the wing, it can't have direct sunlight.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
I have to admit that you are right. So outlet flap is closed now, picture is corrected and replaced. ;)
Thanx again.

This is Yak-2:
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak-2-4/foto01r.jpg)

And this is Yak-4:
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak-2-4/foto17r.jpg)
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak-2-4/foto25r.jpg)
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak-2-4/foto26r.jpg)
(http://scalemodels.ru/images/2015/04/1429643123_sss1247145CB7623D81DD.jpg)

(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1299690)

Reragds,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
a strange characteristic of these planes: I can't understand how the hood of the pilot opens. I think that it has to be  removed by the ground crew.
Regards
Massimo

Hi,

EDIT: Profile wit dark green areas deleted. New profile is below.

It should be this plane:
(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1299780)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak-2-4/foto33r.jpg)

Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
good profile as usual.
The photos show some bomb racks under the wings.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
Thank you for comment. I do not have picture or drawing that shows exact shapes, dimensions and position of the bomb rack on Yak-4. And that rack was apparently removable. All line drawings I have found are without it. So let's say that my profile shows that plane before the rack was added.
Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
the profile is nice but IMHO, fundamentally wrong.  :-X

the profile you made, conveys an idea that there was a 3-colour, green-dark green-black, camouflage scheme. Such a scheme definitively did not exist!
Yak-2 your profile represents was painted strictly in accordance with the June 1941 scheme in 2-colour black-green scheme:

(http://f3.s.qip.ru/iJXXcvPh.jpg)

Plane probably belonged to 514 rap, photos were made in summer 1941

(http://f1.s.qip.ru/iJXXcvPd.jpg)

(http://f2.s.qip.ru/iJXXcvPe.jpg)

I don't know why black fuselage bands look lighter on some photos - photographic material, lighting conditions, fuselage  could be dusty and nose could be wet...

HTH,
KL

Hi KL,
basicaly I agree with you - official scheme was black & green.
Here are another photos of the same plane I have found on web:

(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/66misos/Yak-4/04_zpsetoaxt6b.jpg)

(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/66misos/Yak-4/03_zps7iylokcq.jpg)

(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/66misos/Yak-4/02_zpskswh6jzr.jpg)

I havea to admit that camo on the plane (front & middle sides of the fuselage, wings, engine gondoles and vertical stabilizers) quite well fit to official camouflage template. However, the black is missing around the horizontal stabilizer root. Fabric on the rear left side of the fuselage is missing, we can only guess whether black was also there or not.

My original interpretation was that originally dark green (AIIz?) plane was for some repainted in the filed conditions to the new scheme, but black either poorly covered or it was mixed with new AMT-4 green to get enough paint or something like that. Those photos are usually dated to summer/july 1941 - time when Soviets at the fronts had completly diffrent problems from looking for perfect black.
Where is that color scheme from, please? The fuselage star is missing there - same like on that Yak-4. AFAIK there should be two red stars - on the rear fuselage side and on the tail.
However, if we suppose that plane was camouflaged already in the factory/PARB and different dark shades are only matter of light conditions and/or optical illusion then, of course, there should be only two colors - green (AMT-4) and black.

EDIT:
Here is reworked version to fit official NKAP template:
(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1300678)

Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
that was a quick correction!!!  :)

Drawing is from original 18th Army documents, thanks to Misha Timin.

Photos were definitively made in summer 1941, plane belonged to 314 rap, it was camouflaged in field (not in factory).

Camouflage orders were issued on June 20, AFAIK location of stars was regulated few days/weeks later...

HTH,
KL

Hi Misos,
I think that the painting of the blades has to be revised, As it is now, it seems metal partially oversprayed with black. The photos show it somewhat different, at least on the rear that had its outer 3/4 painted black in factory. the upper blade of the profile should show its back.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. Blades are slightly reworked and picture replaced again. IMHO they were originally NMF with black 3/4 of back side a latter repainted completly black. It is apparent on the close-up photo of the nose from the left.
Regards,
  66misos

Hi Misos,
I agree. I think that they have utilized a bad-adhering black paint for the second layer.
regards
Massimo

Another photo of this machine. It looks almost like a 3 color scheme here.
(https://i.imgur.com/qe7iqEp.jpg)

Hi Llemon, hi Misos,
this seems the original scan of a photo that I saw many years ago on some book. At the time, I had the same impression of a 3 shade camo.
 Considering the timeline and pattern, it is very likely that it was black and green only, but perhaps they utilized less black paint on the rear cockpit area to allow it to dry more quickly for the access of the crew.
So it could be that it seems as a blackish green instead of full black as it was on other parts of the plane.
Regards
Massimo

Hi,
could be true. But also the fuselage just behind the engines/propellers could be covered by a dust/smoke after the forced landing on the dry stepp. ???
It looks like standard black-green camo to my eyes.
Regards,
   66misos

An interesting photo poped up on Facebook group Official World war 2 historians & buffs. It was posted by a gentelmen named Adam Hoskins with a question about his grandfather who served in wehrmacht was captured in 1944 near Mons and ended as POW in UK where he stayed.
To me it seems two tone upper camo

(https://scontent.flju1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117305766_10164111194810215_2188993817603848355_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_ohc=tDzU0ddhyGEAX_xW_TY&_nc_ht=scontent.flju1-1.fna&oh=d4fee368ab8c998d009c8c173522a48a&oe=5F5268DD)

Hi Tiso, excellent image, thank you for sharing it.
The painting is certainly the usual prewar one, green and light blue, with very noticeable differences of shade accordind to the material of the skinning. The light part over the fuselage is yellowish putty visible after the fabric skinning had been ripped off.
Regards
Massimo

Look at the left wing just outside of the star. To me it seems a change in colour in a roundish shape albeit a low contrast one. Over the necelle while lighter due to exhaust it does seem non uniform base colour