Sovietwarplanes

Hi,
here I have started work on Pe-2 in early version:

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1315159&mode=view)

It should be this plane:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1315160)

Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
to tell the truth, the profile isn't convincing for my eye. The nose is too sharp, the lower profile of the engine is too curved, the curvature of the engine cowling is too continue while it should be nearly straight far from the prop; the spinner is  too conical while its rear part should appear more cylindrical.  Check the change in angulation of the fuselage back corresponding to the hatch of the rear gunner.
The inclination of the longitudinal frame of the canopy should change behind the pilot's seat.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
thank you a lot for constructive comment. :) Here I corrected according to the other drawings and photos what you mentioned. Not sure everything is OK, but I have not better source material.

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1315199)

Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
the profile is much better, but the strut of the canopy looks still wrong to my eye. The horizontal strut aside the pilot's head shouldn't have the same horizontal inclination of the rear part, but should be descending forward.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,,
I corrected that part of canopy, not easy in Photoshop layers. And here is the finished profile:

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1315338)

Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
it is an excellent drawing.
From the photo, i have the vague impression of a black outline around the stars. What about other Pe-2s?
Regards
Massimo

Beautiful Peshka, Misos!

Regards,

Jason

Hi Gents,
thank for comments :) Massimo, without your help I will not be so nice.

Now I work on late war version of Pe-2, it will be 4-view (L, R, T, B). However, I cannot find any photo or set of photos reliable showing camouflage on all sides or at least giving hints what NKAP template was used.
Here are preliminary candidates from http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/pe2/pe2camo/pe2camo.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/pe2/pe2camo/pe2camo.htm) that seem to follow the 1st NKAP template with some modifications:

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/pe2/pe2camo/pe2-27.jpg)

or this "White 01" of Lieutnant Colonel V.I.Rankov (Guard emblem is that light blotch on the nose? Was it on both sides?):
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/pe2/pe2camo/pe2-rakov.jpg)

Any help appreciated.
Regards,
   66misos

It seems to me to that emblems were usually painted on the port side, so if it's on the starboard side, it's probably on the port side also. Of course the photograph could be reversed!  ;D

Regards,

Jason

Hi Misos,
two more tips on the shadows;
the shadow of the wing on the nacelle should be somewhat convergent, the wing being tapered;
I would make some more shadow under the rear fillet of the wing-fuselage joint, that projects shadows under itself and part of the gunner's nacelle;
I would avoid the 'double darkness' where the projected shadows of wings and tail and the blurried shadows under the fuselage are overposed. noticeably on the main gear doors.

About the camouflage, I see that Pe-2s had somewhat mixed patterns. If I remember well, they often had brown bands on the central part of the fuselage and on the nose.
Regards
Massimo

Hi,
thank you for comments.
Massimo, you are absolutely right, I missed it.

Here I am not so sure. On the side of the nacelle could be more difuse light from sides tham on the bottom. IMHO there could be some difference in the intense of the shadows.

Anyhow, I will check/correct shadows when I do Pe-2 late version in Photoshop which I have already started:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1315666)
It will be Rankov's plane.
Regards,
    66misos

Hi Misos,
it's a good start, but the brown band, though oblique, should be moved backwards on this plane, and the grey band should cross the dorsal hatch.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
I have found this photo on the web:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1315953)

Compare it with NKAP scheme:
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/1943-45-bombers/tem-pe2-43r.jpg)   (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/1943-45-bombers/tem-pe2-43-br.jpg)
or this photo:
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/pe2/pe2camo/pe2-factory-line.jpg)

- rear fuselage seems to be repainted by relatevely bright light brown - border between green and original darker light brown goes from the dorsal hatch to side window (exactly like variant 1 of NKAP scheme) while border between older darker light brown and new brighter light brown goes directly upward from the side window,
- tail iseems to be repainted by green, although it should be light brown (bright part is shining, not light brown)
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/pe2/pe2camo/pe2-pushtail.jpg) and (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/pe2/pe2camo/rakov%202.jpg)
- horizontal stabilizers are exactly according to the NKAP scheme (righr part is light brown while left part is combination of dark grey and green - here dark grey is darker than green,
- end of the tail is dark - repainted dark grey?
- left winf also pretty well fit NKAP scheme,
- right wing - it is in the same shadow like horizontal stabilizer, but right side of the hor. stab is apparently brighter that any color on the right upperwing - IMHO right upperwing is combination of dark grey and green, may be only right tip of the wing is light brown. Part between fuselage and nacelle is green, dark areas/stripes are exhaust stains, but part of the wing from the nacelle to the right looks like Variant 2 of the NKAP. Probably this (part of) wing was also repainted.

WIP, a little advancement:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1315959)

Regards,
  66misos


PS: Correct name of the pilot is V.I. Rakov from 12 gbap, not Rankov like here http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/pe2/pe2camo/pe2camo.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/pe2/pe2camo/pe2camo.htm)

Hi Misos,
a decision on the painting of the right wing is difficult, but I see, in order from the wingroot:
- a dark part as the fuselage, presumably green, on direct sunlight;
- a brief part of the same color in the shadow area projected by the nacelle;
- a change to a lighter shade in the shadow area;
- the shade is the same, apart for two dark stripes of smoke, up to the beginning of the aileron;
- a change to a darker shade, probably a green or dark grey band; its profile is discontinue on the passage between wing and aileron;
- then it returns to a lighter shade; if green and grey appears in the same way, this can easily be brown.
I agree that it isn't the same shade of the right uppersurface of stabilizer and elevator.
Alternatively, we can suppose that green and grey are well distinguishable, and the front part of the fuselage has green-grey-green-grey bands, more than we see on the template that shows brown and green only on this area; this could mean that a part of brown surface was repainted with grey and green.
I agree that the right stabilizator is monochromatic and there is shining.

Thank you about the correction of the name Rakov. I'll change the page soon.

Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
thanks a lot for comment and your view. I combined it with pictures and my view and here are finished both sideviews:

(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1316096)

(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1316113)

And now let's continue with upper and bottom surfaces.

Regards,
   66misos

Hi,

If I remember correct there is a picture of Rakov in front of the nose with the Guard's emblem. Unfortunately I'm not with my references and I don't remember which side it was. Perhaps it was in one of the Red Stars-books by Geust et al.

Cheers,

AaCee

Hi misos,
looks good.
Is the lower color intended as AMT-7? I think that the semigloss finish of the plane is more compatible with AMT than with A-m paints.
I would make the camouflage more soft, at least on some areas.
Regards
Massimo

Hi AC,
on Red Stars vol.1 there is the photo of Rakov aside the engine, not showing new details.

Hi Misos,
if we assume that the medium color is grey and the dark one is green, then the right stabilizer is grey, as the band over the oval window; the wing seems similar to that of template 1, with the grey part widened up to a wide part of the rear edge of the wing, a green band through the aileron, then grey again with a green engine cowling.
On the photos, the light blue isn't much lighter than the brown, so you could take AMT-7 as a match.
Regards
Massimo

Hi,
thanks for comments.
Here is WIP of the top view. Massimo, I made it this way, plus I applied there some repainting to show slightly different shades of particular colors.

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1316262)

Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
the perspectical deformation of the star  on the fuselage is wrong. The upper tip should be less flattened, while the flattening should increase going to the center line of the star that is almost vertical, then very compressed when seen from above.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
thank for comment. I corrected stars and also Guard badges on the nose. Here is finished topview profile:

EDIT: corrected picture
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1316656)

Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
the star isn't still good, The sides of the upper tip of the star have to be concave, not convex, when the side part is more compressed than it.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
upper tips of the stars are concave now - I updated profile in my previous post. I have to say they looks better this way. Thank you for patience. ;)
Regards,
   66misos

Hi,
and finally here is finished bottom view:

EDIT:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1317835)
I changed underside blue to better represent late war blue, which was darker/more saturated than prewar/early war blue. However, while blue color in 16bit TIF format is exactly what I meant and see on my monitor in Photoshop, blue color in 8bit JPG format is a bit shifted to more greenish/turquoise shade.

Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos, it is a beautiful drawing. But I still suspect that the blue of the bottom should be more saturated.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo,
thank you for comments. All pictures here are in JPG format. However, it has only 8bit color per channel, so it gives a bit different colors from original PS or TIF which have 16bit colors. On the other side, same picture in TIF is roughly 10x bigger than in JPG.
I will check it next days.
Thanks again for your help, without your comments all these profiles (I mean not only these Pe-2) would not be so good.
Regards,
   66misos

Hi Misos,
of course you are welcome.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Misos,
it's better now.
I'm aware of differences in visualization of colors due to the format, the monitor and the program.
regards
Massimo

Beautiful profiles, Misos!
They are especially welcome because I plan to make a 1/48 Pe-2!
As you see in this thread:
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2168.0
on both lateral windscreen windows there are three slanting lines. I suppose they are painted, perhaps in white, but I'm not sure at all. For all I know, they could even be tense steel wires: anybody has an idea?
The only certain thing is that they are there, but all the models I saw miss them. I don't know if and how can I reproduce them, but for sure I will try.
I think you should add them in your drawings.
More Pe-2 profiles, please: we need them! ;D

Оту more profile-ready "pawn"
http://waralbum.ru/370693/

Fullsideview of Pe-2 No.3  "Осоавиахим Чувашии"
http://ava.org.ru/rap/72.htm