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Great Patriotic War Aviation => Prewar types during the GPW => Topic started by: 66misos on October 03, 2017, 09:34:17 AM



Title: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on October 03, 2017, 09:34:17 AM
Hi,
Need help, please. What are visual differences on the (left) side view between I-16 Type 18 and Type 24?
Thank you in advance.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: I-16 Type 18 vs. 24
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on October 03, 2017, 07:06:25 PM
Hi Misos,
I think that the 18 had a tail skid while the 24 had a tail wheel. Besides the 24 should have an access hatch on the rear fuselage side.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: I-16 Type 18 vs. 24
Post by: 66misos on October 30, 2017, 06:55:26 PM
Hi Massimo,
do you have, please, or could you point me at the reliable photo of I-16 Type 18? There is a lot of profiles on the web, but I cannot find any photo.
Thank you.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: I-16 Type 18 vs. 24
Post by: 66misos on October 31, 2017, 12:23:37 PM
HI,
here is work in progres on Polikarpov I-16 Type 18:

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1346554)

It should be this plane. I have found it via yandex.ru at some Russian page with the description that it is Type 18:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1346552)

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1346553)

Notes:
- star has the same light shade as number 13,
- number 13 seems to have white outline,
- on the upper photo visible piece of the prop spinner seems to have apparently lighter color than fuselage,
- prop blades are not black, e.g.the are pre-war NMF,
- stars visible on the upper wings, e.g. it is still pre-war livery.

Regards,
   66misos




Title: Re: I-16 Type 18 vs. 24
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on October 31, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
Hi Misos,
it looks good.
I think that the back of the bades was black, but very worn and let see the metal on the outer part of the blades, that had the highest speed.
regards
Massimo


Title: Re: I-16 Type 18 vs. 24
Post by: 66misos on November 01, 2017, 10:07:52 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you vor comment. Here is I-16 Type 18 finished:

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1348319)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: I-16 Type 18 vs. 24
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 01, 2017, 01:02:08 PM
Hi Misos,
I have the impression that the front edge of the fin is too curved, and that the windshield should be more angular  at the level of the intermediate frame and less shifted backwards.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: I-16 Type 18 vs. 24
Post by: 66misos on November 01, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. It was not so easy to correct it now within all those layers but I tried my best. I hope it is better now.
I replaced original profile with the corrected one in my post above.
And now let's go on the Type 24 in black-green camo, 4-view.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: I-16 Type 18 vs. 24
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 01, 2017, 09:57:17 PM
Hi Misos,
I'm sorry to have not seen it before.
A technique that I sometimes use is to make a copy of a part of the drawing with 'copy united elements', glue it over the wrong part and use deformation commands to improve it. Of course, the method has its limits.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 02, 2017, 05:32:50 AM
Hi Massimo,
no problem, any correction is welcame, rather latter than not at all. :)

Here is Type 24. I do not have a photo of it, but it reminds me my childhood when I got a book about war planes and this one was at the cover. I like it since then.
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1346962)

Massimo, I realised now that this thread should be rather in the section Great Patriotic War / Prewar types during the GPW. Could  you, please, remove this thread there?
Thank you.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 02, 2017, 09:24:31 AM
Hi Misos,
nice painting. Is this the drawing for the book?
I've moved the topic as requested.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 02, 2017, 09:35:13 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you. All these profiles are for the book.
However, in the meantime I found this photo:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1346987)
It seem this is original plane. On the Russian forums some sources identify it as plane from 122 iap, mid july 1941, other sources identify it as a plane belonged to Lev Shestakov from 69 iap, Odesa, summer 1941.
If it is really this plane and if one compares shade of the red star and the tail, the tail does not look red. It looks dark due to (dark) reflection of the surrounding country on the polished dark green AIIz surface similarly to the reflections on the sides and bottom of the fuselage.
I will make another, more reliable camouflage.
Regards,
   66misos



Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 02, 2017, 01:45:49 PM
Hi Misos,
I agree, it doesn't seem red. Too dark.The difference in the shade of green between metallic and wooden parts is very tricky. The nose doesn't seem black too.
Pity, but I suspected this, thinking to a I-16 with blue tail from EP.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 03, 2017, 05:58:57 AM
Hi,
here is another I-16 Type 24:
EDIT: corrected profile in my post below.

made according to this photo:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1347241)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 03, 2017, 11:11:00 AM
Hi Misos,
good work, but I suggest to reconsider the position of the red stars, the one on the fin should have the hinge line where the right brace starts, while the one on the fuselage should be a bit lower.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 04, 2017, 08:03:26 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. Here is corrected profile - changed positions of the stars and a bit prolonged barrel of the gun in the wing:

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1348332)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 04, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Hi Misos,
good work indeed. Will you draw type 29 too?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 05, 2017, 08:05:23 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you. :) I will not do Type 29. I will do another Type 24 in black-green camoflage. It will be 4-view of this red 30:

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1347802)

Here is work in progress:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1347803)
Not sure whether cowling is black or (it seems) significantly darker (green?) and at front part even darker black blotch.

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 05, 2017, 09:21:38 AM
hi Misos,
the camouflage looks convincing.
I think that the spinner was black, and that the fastener was black too apart for little scratching.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 05, 2017, 01:30:50 PM
Hi Massimo,
yes, you are right. This is only aan early stage of WIP.

Here are another pphotos of black-green camo on thr different types of I-16:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1347867)
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1347879)
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1347868)

and views from the other side:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1347869)
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1347877)

Although borders between black and green fields are either angular or rounded, their positions and ovverall style is quite similiar. Moreover, they all nicely follow on the top of the fuselage to the fields on the othe side. It looks like some system, although not exactly NKAP scheme.
Regrads,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 05, 2017, 05:34:38 PM
Hi Misos,
you're right, a good number of I-16 shows an adaptation of the nkap template to the short fuselage of I-16. On the rear, often (not always) the ball-like blotch on the sides disappear. On the front, it can be that the blotches on the side of the nose are merged with the one of the nose, or that one or another disappear because of the lack of space.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 05, 2017, 08:55:48 PM
Hi,
the view from the right (starboard) is finished:

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1348735)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 06, 2017, 05:50:35 AM
Hi,
the view from the left (portside) is finished:

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1348736)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 06, 2017, 07:37:23 PM
Hi Misos,
from the photo of n.30, seems that the top of the 3 doesn't surpass the panel line of the fillet of the fin.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: John Thompson on November 06, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
I'm a few days late, but here are a few more photos of "White 3":

(https://s1.postimg.org/2pxsegorvz/I-16_-_125.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s1.postimg.org/6gzpdvcflb/I-16_-_125b.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s1.postimg.org/8d1sytvnz3/I-16_-_125c.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

I hope these might still be useful; I have 3 or 4 more, but these are the best ones.

John



Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 07, 2017, 05:38:37 AM
Hi,
thank you all.
Massimo, profiles are corrected and replaced in my posts above.
John, interesting photos. According to them it really does not look like red tail and black front of the engine cowling.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 07, 2017, 06:48:51 AM
Hi Misos,
the top of the 3 is too rounded for my eye. Besides its lower side should end with a round, and the intermediate branch should be tapered, and the lower side of the top should be convex, and end with a protuberance downwards.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 07, 2017, 09:19:51 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. The digits "3" are corrected and both profiles are replaced in my posts above.

Here I have already started work on the view from the top:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1348788)

Regards,
   66misos



Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 08, 2017, 07:19:56 AM
Hi Misos,
are you sure about the size of the spinner and propeller?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 08, 2017, 07:10:58 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. However, I was sure it was too big. It was only copied and not properly adjusted.
Here is a little progress - I tried firstly paint black areas that are visible on the photo, then I let inspired myself by similar LaGG-3 camouflages from that period and this is a result:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1348980)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 08, 2017, 09:17:33 PM
Hi Misos,
very nice work. I wonder if this plane had rockets.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 09, 2017, 10:06:21 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you. :) Photo does not show them, so to speed up the work I will not make them.

Here is finished the view from the top on the red 30:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1349900)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 10, 2017, 12:22:20 PM
Hi Misos,
great work. Only the rod of the elevators seems too flat.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 11, 2017, 12:01:58 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. Picture corrected and replaced in my post above.. I also added there antena wire which I forgot previously.

Here is finished bottom view on the Red 30:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1349899)

Regards,
   66misos



Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 11, 2017, 01:00:18 PM
Hi Misos,
very beautiful drawing. I would lighten a bit the shadow area under the fuselage, the difference of level between the fuselage and wing is modest.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 12, 2017, 08:48:56 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you and you are right. It did not look so prominent in PS. I reworked it and repalced picture above. I have to admit it looks better now.

And now let's go for red I-180

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 12, 2017, 09:45:38 AM
Hi Misos,
I-180... nice plane. Four prototypes and all different, if I remember well.
Regards
Massimo