Sovietwarplanes

Hi all,
a modeller asked me for a Gunze, Tamiya o Mrpaint match for A-14 grey. Who can give some advice?
Another thing:
there was a topic with a wide work of Spitfire comparing AKAN color chips to similar chips of other brands. I an't find it any more. Who can help me?
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo, I did not look at Tamiya, Gunze or Mr Paint matches I only looked at enamels, the long VVS thread is on Britmodeller here, but maybe the enamels I chose could be matched to these paint ranges, I think the paint chips I did are towards the end:
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234933995-vvs-colours-in-the-great-patriotic-war/&page=11
Here's more: http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2007.0
I had bought some AKAN A-14 and found that Humbrol 140 Matt Gull Grey was a pretty good match

Cheers

Dennis

Hi Dennis,
thank you for linking these pages. They could be useful to the modeller that asked it.
Now I think that we could try to make a match table for Soviet colors, maybe collecting experiences that have already be done by other modellers. Do you know pages related to this?

Regards
Massimo

Mr. Paint perhaps?
http://mrpaint.sk/farby/lietadla/USSR?product_id=71

Hi FB,
yes, it is the proper paint.
I still think that we have to collect datas from already published posts to make a table with the matches of many brands.
Regards
Massimo

Hi again, there was a lengthy discussion on a French Website about model paint for VVS subjects, I cannot find it now on the internet I only have a WORD copy of it but I do have the table that came with it, though I cannot verify it's accuracy.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3459/bftEej.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img922/2930/EcJMwm.jpg)

Will look for more

Cheers

Dennis

I also found this one very useful, though I did use this Google translation.http://scalewiki.ru/%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%82
http://scalewiki.ru/%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%82

Cheers

Dennis

More model paint chips in here.
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=1992.0

Cheers

Dennis

Thank you Dennis, this is a good starting point.
Regards
Massimo

Hallo Massimo,

Do you need a sample range from the Mr. Paint?

Hi,
some chips you mean? It would be very interesting to photograph them aside the closer paints of other brands. Thank you for your offer.
Regards
Massimo

Dennis, I have some old photographs of paint samples that I believe you did, if you have problems finding your copies.

Regards,

Jason

I do not know if it can be useful, if you find any mistake please feel free to contact me, you can comment directly on the link of the sheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zvA3hhnZDyYbE42Bi1oJ1i2qb2P7yhf9uaEQF_cLNxM/edit?usp=sharing

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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/M6TWYGcrQf52nl9txfXW276ZYyGJupQUm4j3vqs1UMneUHHR-p62OGspjlCahXryn8b1xQRKUWH7RFwCdXlCcBZvSsV1E6OQh9kETmP1qj2b069lSYJm7EOaZEbVr8wt-ofYMaj2mWaysKd-qAmydSZLR8neKxiBZVgtQOxPEdmdffyc7cJRp2-Z1Jhzqb3baz7v_rCoUi6oRFzERn2qpxEOVMMm1gHbV7vPzU0shwhImPmH62yV_ogZCsNy3hPJdxwg2hj65eipZgOCKb6IOgMYOOgV6VNvy5Yer5byTeSz-R3cqgaaeffnG-7axTGQ5En9JOgswUL2tV79b98_M3FoOUdet4NyqmZle3J-I0ghwYb1qiQSmMrgaZUu_PkreFNAD8DYfDJHajOGvOkNAXI8HHfyzJPQof1i5DVHSve3Ae9o6G7qiapDWcm_R9JF5bI421__NJCyVqPpine11BZQ1KJwxJReswX32zaXZAi65EkeAN2g776OoBMHvG-cOzr68VYmKZ0QA4PtIJJNvjsgL77WcbV8hEWIb3QM9GG1dkQA488O1JuXohi9nqrLXDXldz6MlNdG7hyp_KnWwuYwnw99DNpu0130m0H14FXZjxIFiqSGANB4Da3CLpio3D4Ta1QowCoWz5t4A4MqYu4pWiN3SFpNBlRq=w623-h880-no)

Hi,
thank you for the table, surely it helps.
Anyway, I suppose that thre chips of Akan (at least, I don't know about Valleyo) are obtained with the digital conversion into RGB with the method we've discussed a month or two ago; if so, I fear that their visualization on a screen doesn't give the right idea. Please, let me know if my supposition is right or wrong.
 I would try to make as Dennis did, photographing chips side by side on the same photo or scan and using these images as a base for the chips to visualize. I'll have to scan the FS colors too for an homogeneous comparation.
Regards
Massimo

Hi, unfortunately I did not follow that discussion, I collected the data, with the Eye Dropper for Chrome extension from Akan and Hataka sites and from the Valllejo catalog. I realize that is not the best, but at least I've listed the product codes indicated by the companies, and the sheet I made can be commented, updated, by anyone even anonymously. Please give me a link to the topic you mentioned?
Greetings

Hi, here is the link:
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=1699.30 (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=1699.30)

Now, I'll try to make and post a provisional table still to fill and check.
Regards
Massimo

Hi all,
I've uploaded a provisional table of matches at
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/color-matches.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/color-matches.htm).
It is not linked from the main page of the site, because it needs a lot of work.
Please, have a look and let me know how to improve it.
I want to make photos or scans of chips side by side, as Dennis did (I'll certainly use part of your work) and cut small digital chips allowing to compare the matches of many producers or sources.
I've modified the digital chips of AMT-1 and A-21m to make them more similar to the scant sent by Andrey Averin. They are far from what it can be seen on scans of the Nakrasok alboom, but look more convincing.
I've modified the digital chip of the grey-blue of 1935. Now I think that it should be similar to AMT-7when new, but becomes greyish quickly. I can't prove it of course, it is my idea on the base of the few available informations.
Regards
Massimo

That's a good start, Massimo, and certainly something that we modellers need. One thing I would add is a column for Testors Model Master paints. Those are the paints that I use. I can give you my matches, if you need them.

Regards,

Jason

Hi Jason,
this would be a good thing.
Modelmaster enamels were available in my town up to a pair of years ago, but then the shop that enlisted them was closed. My first experiences with them weren't so good, I think that they cover not well and are too long to dry.
Anyway I'll include them in the table, with your help. It would be even better if you could paint some chips and photograph them aside a page of the FS catalogue, or if you send them to me by mail so I can do this.
Regards
Massimo

Nice one Massimo, I now have some of the Sovereign Colourcoats paints which I can compare to the AKAN chips that I made up, at the moment though I am tied up house decorating.

Cheers

Dennis

Hi Dennis, no hurry. Photos of a comparison between Sovereign and Akan would be welcome. I just ask to show a page of FS-595a included in each photo, so I can correct differences of hue and exposition between different photos.
Regards
Massimo

Hi,
I have received a set of chips of Mr. Paint colors for Soviet planes from Istvan.
Here is the set, photographed aside a FS-595a catalogue opened on the pages with matches of the colors of major interest.

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/modelistic/mrp1.jpg)

As soon as I have chips, or photos of chips, from other producers I can start to arrange the page.
Regards
Massimo

Hi all,
I've received a sample of paint for Soviet ww2 planes from AK-Interactive.
The set includes 8 cans: grey A-14, green AMT-4, black AMT-6, blue AMT-7, grey AMT-11 and 12, brown AMT-1 and A-21m.
I'll make samples and show some images when possible.

The paint are acrylics, it is written that they can be used by brush as they are and they have to be thinned with their own solvent to be airbrushed.
Who has any experience with paints of this brand?

Regards
Massimo

Hi all,
I've received samples of colors from AK interactive.

The first serie, labeled AK, is made of 8 bottles of aqueous paint. I made some chips  by brush.


(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/modelistic/ak-rc.jpg)

The second serie, labeled RC, is made of 12 cans similar to those of Tamiya and Gunze. I've made some chips by toothpick.

I can't be sure about the shades , I see that some of the AK aqueous paints as the A-14 are somewhat more bluish or darker.  
 Personally I think that AE-9 shold be somewhat darker and more bluish or at least neutral. Here it looks as the FS-36622, or a sort of milk.

Regards
Massimo