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Great Patriotic War Aviation => Yaks => Topic started by: 66misos on December 15, 2017, 06:03:00 AM



Title: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 15, 2017, 06:03:00 AM
Hi,
here I have started work on Yak-9 family. The first one should be this Yak-9:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1359929)

This is original - photos are from http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_9320_start_0.html (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_9320_start_0.html):
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1359927)
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1359928)
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1359930&t=1)

Usual interpretation show light blue or red proppeller spinner, cap on the tail and light blue or white board number 17.
The plane is interpreted either grey-grey or blak-green camo.
According to the camo fields on the upper photo I would say it is standard black-green camouflage.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 15, 2017, 07:39:55 PM
Hi,
a little progress:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360081)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 15, 2017, 09:09:49 PM
Excellent! But I think that the starlets are red.
The third photo seems to show something light on the tail, perhaps a thin oblique white band.
Not sure about the spinner and cap. Aren't there photos of other planes of the unit?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 16, 2017, 09:13:26 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you. I decided for red spinner and cap. Here is the finished picture:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360263)

Do you know, please, text of that 6-line stencil on the front engine cowling beneath exhaust?
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360182)
And there was also something written on the trapeziod panel on the rear fuselage nexz to the wing root - number 17 is painted over it here.
Thank you.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 16, 2017, 05:01:34 PM
Hi,
here is one of the first Yak-9D still in the standard black-green camouflage with local black repainting on the rear fuselage:
EDIT: Alternative with yellow marking cancelled.
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360389)
Stencill are already found and added here and also on the previous Yak-9 "White 17".

Here is original:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360262)

The tip of the propeller spinner and top of the tail look like either yellow of light blue.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 16, 2017, 06:13:56 PM
Hi Misos,
this is excellent. Just I am not convinced about all that yellow.
I'll ask for the text.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 17, 2017, 09:40:11 AM
Hi Masimo,
thank you. That white/blue combination looks better for my eye than yellow, looks more typical for VVS from that period. I will wait and then we will see.

Here is work in progress on grey-grey Jak-9D:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360395)

It will be this plane:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360396)

Regards,
    66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 17, 2017, 05:42:06 PM
Hi,
here is finished fiew from the left:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1362231)

and here is the original:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360610)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 18, 2017, 05:54:32 AM
Hi,
here is the view from the right:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1362232)

and here is original:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360737)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 18, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
Hi Misos,
here is a scan with the stenciling from Alex.

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak179/stencils/tech.jpg)

Good work on plane n.22. Just I think to see more red and less white on the original photo. I think that the emblems have to be corrected.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 18, 2017, 12:59:06 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment and the scheme for stencils.
However, I do not understand what exactly you mean by "more red and less white on the original photo. I think that the emblems have to be corrected". Do you mean to make the bigger star in the Guard Emblem?
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 18, 2017, 05:47:02 PM
Hi Misos,
on the photo, the red banner and the red star are nearly in contact each other, but they are far on the drawing. Besides the yellow protrusions on the lower part of both marks look different.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 19, 2017, 05:47:15 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. I reworked it and repalced both profiles.

Here we continue with the view from the top on the same Yak-9D:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1361486)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 20, 2017, 02:42:26 PM
Hi,
According to the http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-9/yak-9.html (http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-9/yak-9.html):

Yak-9 – had 2 fuel tanks with total capacity of 320 kg of fuel. Two fuel hatches on the upperwing for filling the tanks. One tank+hatch per one wing.

Yak-9D was modification of Yak-9 with increased flying range and so it had 4 fuel tanks (480 kg) instead of original 2 (320 kg).
According to the https://coollib.com/b/261705/read (https://coollib.com/b/261705/read): „However, in combat units, the external fuel tanks (e.g. fuel tanks closer to the wing tips) usually were not used. Mechanics simply sealed their filler neck.“ It means that visible were always the fuel hatches of the inner tanks while the fuel hatches of the outer tanks were sometime visible, sometime sealed. Two tanks + two (or one) hatches per one wing.

Yak-9DD was modification of Yak-9D or Yak-9T. It had installed 8 main and one expendable fuel tank (total 630 kg). The panel/covers are fitted under the fuel tanks, 6 additional hatches are cut in the upperwings - total 8 (or 10?) hatches on the upperwing. Four tanks + four (or five?) hatches per one wing.

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 22, 2017, 08:05:59 AM
Hi,
here is a little progress:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1361787)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 22, 2017, 08:29:28 AM
Hi Misos, the stars on the fuselage had a bad perspectical deformation, the brace of the star should appear with concave sides.
The canopy looks too dark.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Johann on December 22, 2017, 08:47:22 AM
Hi Misos, is there any certainty that the pattern on different planes was so different? For RKKA this is not very typical


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 22, 2017, 11:04:30 AM
Hi Gents,
thank you for comments.
Massimo, I will check those braces of the stars. And yes, cockpit is too dark. I will make it a bit lighter, but it is intentionally so dark. I do not want to show (e.g. spend much time) with interior.
Johann, all profiles are made according to the photos, not according to the other profiles. And photos show such differences. I know there were NKAP schemes in 1941 and 1943, but seems that guys around Yaks were a bit more creative.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 22, 2017, 07:04:43 PM
Hi Massimo,
you are right about that star. Now I believe without any objections ;-)
My son made me a visualization in the 3D modelling software and here is render:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1362038)
It is clear now and forever.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Johann on December 22, 2017, 07:42:03 PM
Johann, all profiles are made according to the photos, not according to the other profiles. And photos show such differences. I know there were NKAP schemes in 1941 and 1943, but seems that guys around Yaks were a bit more creative.
Regards,
   66misos

No, I'm not talking about the design of camouflage, I had clear boundaries about clear boundaries. In the photographs on both wings, the boundaries of the flowers and the angular pattern are quite clear.


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 23, 2017, 08:02:49 AM
Hi,
here is finished the view from the top:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1362243)

and here is original photo:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1362149)

Johann, (at least to me) it looks like that the plane is weathered and colors are bleached hard matt, while engine cover is darker and glossy - it is either repainted or dirty and greasy due to regular manipulation. Left wing looks to me at least partially repainted - it looks darker and borders of camouflage colors more sharp and straight than on the rest of the plane.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Johann on December 23, 2017, 09:05:43 AM
Yes, but on the right wing they are also straight and sharp, as well as on the left.
(http://3v-soft.clan.su/novosti001/001/Samolet/JAk-9/YAk-900010.jpg)


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 23, 2017, 03:33:23 PM
Hi Johann,
thank you for comment and very nice photo. Yes, it clearly shows quite sharp borders on AMT-12 field close to the fuselage, while AMT-12 close to the wing tip is fuzzy. And AMT-11 on the wing is significantly lighter then AMT-11 on the front fuselage.
EDIT: Top view is already reworked and picture replaced..
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 23, 2017, 05:35:27 PM
Hi Misos,
it is a luck to have a son able to make 3D drawings.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 26, 2017, 09:10:03 AM
Hi,
here is the bottom view on the Yak-9D:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363409)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 26, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
Hi Misos,
it looks fine, apart for the lack of the exhaust stacks.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 26, 2017, 03:56:35 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. I forgot them hidden. :(
I corrected it, the picture is already replaced in my post above.
regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 26, 2017, 05:34:05 PM
Hi Misos,
I see that the blue on the rear of the fuselage is much darker than on other surfaces.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 26, 2017, 06:40:56 PM
Hi Massimo,
it is intentionally- it is shadow and dirty, same as in previous bottom views. Here I probably by mistake changed some value of that shadow layer. I will check it.
Thank you.
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 26, 2017, 07:24:37 PM
Hi Misos,
the part behind the flap of the oil cooler should be on shadow. Besides it could be dirty.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 27, 2017, 04:22:42 PM
Hi Massimo,
I made rear part of the fuselage a bit lighter, picture above is already replaced.

Here I continute with the Yak-9T.
Yak-9T is modification of the serial Yak-9 with the more powerfull armament - with 37mm cannon shooting through the propeller spinner. Due to dimensions and weight of the gun the whole cockpit was moved 40cm back to the tail.
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363266)

This is original:
(http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-9/color4/photo_yak-9t_05-3.jpg)

(http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-9/color4/photo_yak-9t_05-4.jpg)

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1362785)
More photos of this particular plane is at http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-9/yak-9_color4.html (http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-9/yak-9_color4.html)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 28, 2017, 08:08:17 AM
Hi Misos, the Yak-9T looks excellent.
About the lower view; I still can't see any shadow under the flap of the outlet of the oil cooler.
About the inlet of the water cooler, I would make some shadow at least inside the inlet on the left side of the drawing.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: xan on December 28, 2017, 09:50:34 AM
congratulations Misso those yak-9 profiles are amazing, really...


Xan


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 28, 2017, 10:48:55 AM
Hi All,
thank you for comments. ;D
Massimo,  will check those shadows againg together with this 9T.

In the meantime, here is the view from the right side:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363282)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 28, 2017, 12:50:59 PM
Hi Misos,
looks good.
I'll go some days on holydays, I'm not sure to answer until 2/1.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 28, 2017, 02:57:39 PM
Hi Massimo,
have a nice holiday!

I continue in the meantine - here is a view from the top on the Yak-9T.
EDIT - corrected picture:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363534)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: John Thompson on December 28, 2017, 05:39:48 PM
Hello. 66misos! Thank you very much for your artwork for the Yak-9 - you've already done two of my favourites, Grib and Vybornov.

One question - are you sure about the shell ejection chute in the left wing root of the Yak-9T? I've seen a series of scale drawings where this was present on the Yak-9D but absent on the Yak-9T. Perhaps the shell casings were accumulated for reuse in a compartment inside the aircraft's fuselage on the -9T? I think enough of the wing root is visible in the "handshake" photo at the bottom of your December 27 post to show that there was no ejection chute.

Cheers!
John


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 28, 2017, 06:16:35 PM
Hi John,
thank you for comment. :D I have to admit I am not sure about it, I made it according to the different line drawings. I will check it agan, it is not problem to correct/delete it.

Jason, could you, please, help to clarify whether shell ejection chute should or should not be in the left wing root.

In the meantime, here is the bottom view on Yak-9T:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363408)

Regards,
   66misos



Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: John Thompson on December 28, 2017, 10:11:14 PM
If you are interested and have not seen these, here is a link to the "series of drawings" which I referred to:
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/yak9-1.html

These are the ones from ”Yak-9: Ryadovye nebes” (Yak-9: Soldiers in the Sky) by Dmitriy Leipnik. If you check, you will see that the only drawings which show the chute opening are for the Yak-9 and Yak-9D, and not any other version such as the -9T. The Yak-9/Yak-9D plan view sheet has a note (note 4) on the chute location referencing the 12.7mm UBS cowling machine gun. While I know the frequent warning not to believe scale drawings, I trust these very well.

John


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: learstang on December 28, 2017, 10:32:54 PM
I am looking through my references, Michal, but I haven't found anything yet about the 37-mm ejection system on the Yak-9T. This is just a guess, but it would make sense for the cartridges not to be ejected as they were so large and could cause real damage to the aircraft if one hit the tail, for example. I shall continue to search my sources to see if I can't find this information out for certain. Your profiles, of course, look brilliant!

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: barneybolac on December 29, 2017, 04:13:00 AM
Not sure if this is applicable to the Yak9-T or not it looks like it is collected in this link.

http://www.airpages.ru/dc/yak9_03.shtml

Translated.


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airpages.ru%2Fdc%2Fyak9_03.shtml&edit-text=

Drawings of the linked numbers in thread.

http://www.airpages.ru/dc/yak9_66.jpg

http://www.airpages.ru/dc/yak9_70.jpg

They were collected per this link.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airwar.ru%2Fenc%2Ffww2%2Fyak9t.html&edit-text=


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: learstang on December 29, 2017, 04:56:29 AM
Thank you, barneybolac! It does look like the cannon cartridges (and links, probably) were collected in some kind of 'box' ('junction-box') according to the translation.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 29, 2017, 05:35:43 AM
Hi All,
thank yyou for reply. Here are some photos:

Yak-9D - chute opening is visible:
(http://www.wio.ru/gal2a/yak9.jpg)

Yak-9T - chute opening is not visible:
(http://www.wio.ru/gal2a/f1/yak9t-149giap.jpg)
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1144845)

Yak-9M - also no chute opening:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1150236)

EDIT: So I deleted it from my picture of 9T and replaced it in my previous post.
Regards,
  66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 29, 2017, 02:25:58 PM
Hi,
here is finished Yak-9K:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363638)

and here is original:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363421)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: learstang on December 29, 2017, 06:13:16 PM
Excellent as usual, Michal! That tail looks interesting - it could almost be a replacement tail, including the metal fin, or perhaps it was repainted after repairs for battle damage, although I would think it would be darker if it were freshly-painted, but that's not what the photograph shows. There does seem to be quite a variation with the tones of the greys used in the two-grey scheme; I'm thinking especially of that famous photograph from the air of the Normandie-Niemen Yak-3s on the ground.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 29, 2017, 09:51:09 PM
Hi Jason,
thank you for comment. I am glad you like it. :D

Here we continue with Yak-9U.
Serial version with the engine VK-107A was produced between April 1944 and August 1945 and 3921 Yak-9U planes were produced.

Work in progress:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363782)

and it will be one of these planes:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363770)
or
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363771)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 30, 2017, 10:04:26 AM
Hi,
A little progress. Prop spinner is light but looks a bit darker than white color on the plane, but not so dark as red color on the stars. It seems to be either light blue or yellow.
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363907)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 31, 2017, 11:14:47 AM
Hi,
here is finished Yak-9U:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366040)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 31, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
Hi,
here is finished the second Yak-9U, the last picture from the "Nine" family:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1364513)

Finally, let me wish you all the best in 2018 and a lot of fun a interesting info at this Massimo's pages.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: John Thompson on December 31, 2017, 10:44:11 PM

Finally, let me wish you all the best in 2018 and a lot of fun a interesting info at this Massimo's pages.
Regards,
   66misos

The same to you, and to all the rest of our Sovietwarplanes comrades!

For what it's worth, I edited my two previous posts in this thread to correct my error regarding the weaponry of the Yak-9/-9D/-9B. I was so hung up about the wing root shell ejection chute being a provision for the cannon shells that, after reading the drawing note regarding 12.7mm shell ejection, I mistakenly referred to the engine-mounted weapon on these aircraft as the 12.7mm UBS machine gun, not the 20mm ShVAK as it really was. In other words, the chutes were for machine gun shell ejection, not cannon shells. No one corrected my error, so I am confessing it myself! In summary:

Yak-9/-9D/-9B: 20mm motor cannon with internal cartridge shell accumulation, 12.7mm cowling machine gun with external shell ejection through the wing root

Yak-9T: 37mm motor cannon with internal cartridge shell accumulation, 12.7mm cowling machine gun also with internal cartridge shell accumulation

Yak-9K: 45mm motor cannon with internal cartridge shell accumulation, 12.7mm cowling machine gun with internal cartridge shell accumulation

Now I'll just go and write that out 500 times as my punishment...

Again, happy New Year to all, and best wishes for 2018! Maybe this thread and its excellent artwork will bring us good luck, and a brand-new, accurate, and well-detailed 1/72 Yak-9D/-9T kit will finally appear on the shelves of our favourite hobby shops!  ;)

John


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: learstang on January 03, 2018, 06:22:49 PM
Yes, John, I agree! Maybe Airfix will finally bring us (some day) a new-mould Yak-9D to replace their tired, old, inaccurate kit. And after that they can bring us a new-mould Pe-2, and a new-mould Il-2. Well, we can hope anyway. You'll be glad to know that I've become quite interested in Yak fighters in 1/72nd scale, as part of the research for my WWII Soviet fighters book. 66misos/Michal is doing these beautiful profiles for my book. Maybe the text will all be rubbish, but at least the book will have nice, accurate profiles!

Happy New Year!


Jason


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 03, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
Hi Misos, hi all,
excellent drawings as usual.
Maybe the spinner of 29 could put more into evidence a glossy finish.
A new Yak-9 from Airfix would be nice. I fear that they have lots of British planes still to make, though.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 04, 2018, 05:30:26 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. I bit more shining added to the prop spinner on "29" and picture already replaced.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 04, 2018, 08:18:08 AM
Hi Misos,
I would make a sharp dark area below its axis to represent the difference in the reflection of ground and sky, as from the photo.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 04, 2018, 10:44:51 AM
Hi Massimo,
the photo is fuzzy and missing some grey halftones. For me it does not look like polished surface, similiar to the high glossy surface of red prototypes. So I leave it as it is - let's say semigloss surface.
Regards,
  66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: PG monster on June 14, 2019, 03:36:21 PM
Hi,
here is finished Yak-9K:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1363638)

Regards,
   66misos



Just superb!


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: PG monster on June 14, 2019, 03:38:35 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you. I decided for red spinner and cap. Here is the finished picture:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360263)


The cap must be blue (regimental color), like this -

(http://ava.org.ru/iap/4/yak9t_stepanenko.jpg)


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 16, 2019, 09:58:25 PM
Interesting... plane red 0 or 04?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on June 23, 2019, 02:45:32 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you. I decided for red spinner and cap. Here is the finished picture:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1360263)


The cap must be blue (regimental color)...



Hi PG monster,
thank you for comment, here is the corrected profile:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1505199)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 23, 2019, 04:57:50 PM
Hi Misos,
thank you for posting the update.
Will you continue your great work on profiles of Yak?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on June 23, 2019, 05:11:03 PM
Hi Massimo,
I am not sure. There was clear subject and deadline, so I was "pushed". I started some MiG-3s but I got frozen there. Originally I wanted to do also some Lavochkins to have all main VVS fighters in "my style" - a lot of plans, but almost zero internal motivation now. So we will see in the future.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 23, 2019, 06:50:14 PM
Hi Misos,
I hope that you will find enthusiasm again for this.
Eventually, we'll speak of this some day, after I'll have (slowly) completed my work on Lavochkins.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: PG monster on June 24, 2019, 04:13:01 PM

Hi PG monster,
thank you for comment, here is the corrected profile:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1505199)

Regards,
   66misos

Great, thank you!


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 24, 2020, 09:11:17 PM
Hi all,
I've made a revamping of the Yak-9 page. Many excellent profiles of Misos have been included.
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak9/yak9.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak9/yak9.html)
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Ohotnyik on April 24, 2020, 10:12:36 PM
Yak-9 K

http://airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-9/yak-9_color_j.html (http://airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-9/yak-9_color_j.html)



Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: John Thompson on April 25, 2020, 03:01:40 AM
The Yak-9 versions page http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak9/versions/versions.htm is very welcome, and provides a simple way of educating people regarding the differences between VK-105- and VK-107-powered Yak-9s. Several times my suggestions regarding the desirability of a new Yak-9 kit in 1/72 scale have been answered with, "Amodel already makes Yak-9s". True, but they don't represent the main GPW VK-105 versions of the Yak-9, they are the later VK-107-powered Yak-9U and the postwar Yak-9P. Thank you, Michal and Massimo!

John


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 25, 2020, 08:10:28 AM
Hi John,
the only fairly good Yak-9 kit in 1/72 was of Dakoplast. I built one a lot of years ago, and then the firm disappeared. The ICM has serious problems. Do you know further kits? Let's forget the Airfix one, of course.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Dark Green Man on April 25, 2020, 09:04:15 PM
Dakoplast Yak-9's were re-issued in boxes with "MODELIST" on it and was also re-popped
with the name "Eastern Express" name on them.

trust me ! I have them in all three boxes. :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 27, 2020, 07:21:01 PM
Hi,
here is my profile of Yak-9M, P.J. Golovachev, 900 iap, Spring 1945 Germany:
EDIT May 29, 2020 - corrected picture:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1597024)

photo of the original:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1596540)

Discussion about this plane was at http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2283.0 (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2283.0)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 27, 2020, 11:21:27 PM
Hi Misos,
beautiful profile indeed.
If you look at the stabilizer fillet and the mast from the photo, I think that all the ensemble of markings should be a bit reduced in size. Besides a small angle of the bolt should be overposed to the outline of the red star.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: learstang on May 28, 2020, 01:13:00 AM
Beautiful profile! Interesting markings - I have not seen those before.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 28, 2020, 09:10:32 AM
Hi,
Thank you for comments.
@Massimo - seems you are right, I will check it.
@Jason - how is your expected book about WWII VVS fighters?
Regards,
   66misos


EDIT May 29, 2020 - picture corrected.


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: PG monster on June 04, 2020, 01:43:11 PM
Hi,
here is my profile of Yak-9M, P.J. Golovachev, 900 iap, Spring 1945 Germany:

Regards,
   66misos

Great job, but the spinner should be spiralled (likely red color)
http://ava.org.ru/iap/900/nos_900_iap.jpg

(http://ava.org.ru/iap/900/nos_900_iap.jpg)


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 05, 2020, 08:28:43 AM
Hi,
my impression of the spinner background is black.
Besides the outline of the tail star looks black too.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on June 05, 2020, 03:06:06 PM
Hi,
I saw that picture at the link I posted together with the profile. I agree with the very last post there https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2283.15 (https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2283.15).

One alternative is partially red spinner with white ring:
(http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/g/golovach3.jpg)

You suggest the second alternative - red (or black?) spinner with white spiral (btw, it looks like late Bf-109):
(http://ava.org.ru/iap/900/nos_900_iap.jpg)
However, is it really spinner from Yak-9M? If yes, then gun is probably removed, compare it with other Yak-9M https://www.armedconflicts.com/Yakovlev-Yak-9M-t33562 (https://www.armedconflicts.com/Yakovlev-Yak-9M-t33562):
(https://airpages.ru/img/yak9m_2.jpg)
(https://www.armedconflicts.com/attachments/3588/yak9m-2.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Yak-9M_in_flight.jpg)

Another alternative is the most conservative - standard grey spinner. I chose this alternative until photo showing the whole Golovachev's appears.

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: steph40 on June 07, 2020, 09:08:53 PM
Hello,

The last photo is Yak-9T "white 4" flown by Roland de la Poype from GC 3 "Normandie" (later Normandie-Niemen) during June 1944.

Regards
Stéph.

Excellent profiles Michal, as usual  :)


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: PG monster on August 01, 2020, 06:04:29 AM
We got good pictures of 89 GIAP yaks with visible numbers and insignias.

http://ava.org.ru/iap/89g.htm


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 22, 2021, 07:47:01 PM
Hi,
here I started work on Stepanenko's Yak-9T "Red 04":

Number 04 has the same shade of grey as the red star on the tail. However, tail cap is significantly brighter (light blue):
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686513)

(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686516)

Plus another two photos with Stepanenko, although it is not sure whether it is the same plane:

Question is whether stripe on the prop spinner is (dirty) white, or light blue like the tail cap or red (note bright stencils on the prop blade), Red Banner emblem is still missing:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686517)

Note color of the red stencils on the prop blade and the red flag on the emblem - prop spinner does not look red:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686514)

Plus here is info about this plane:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686515)

   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 23, 2021, 06:54:14 AM
Hi Misos,
I'm happy to see that you are creating another profile of Yak.
About my guesses from the photos, I'm very uncertain. I suggest to use the profile of Stankov as a reference unless clearly wrong. The light ring at the base of the spinner of his profile is clearly wrong.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: PG monster on May 24, 2021, 05:55:20 AM
I'm waiting for new profiles too.
And I'm skeptica about Stankov profiles too (in spite of hisgreat job with the photos)


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 25, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
Hi,
Stepanenko was commander of the 2nd Squadron of the 4 iap.
4 iap was part of the 11 cak before 28 Sep 1944 - all planes within 11 cak had red prop spinners.

4 iap together with 148 iap and 293 iap were parts of the 185 iad since 28. Sep 1944.
According to http://wio.ru/simbols/iad185.htm (http://wio.ru/simbols/iad185.htm) the Order № 07 issued in 23 Oct 1944 defined fast recog marking for planes in 185 iad:
- red prop spinners for all planes in 185 iad.
- 5cm thin stripe around the prop spinner, tail top and board number in the regimental color - blue for 4 iap, yellow for 148 iap and white for 293 iap.

Note the whole visible rear fuselage (between two left guys) is dark - repainted plane or wrongly retouched photo?
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686886)

4 iap was awarded with Order of the Red Flag in 5 Nov 1944.

Another planes from 4 iap:
Note font of the digit "4" is different from usually drawn Stepanenko's 04:
(http://ava.org.ru/iap/4/yak9m_41.jpg)

Note the whole tip of the spinner has difafrent color, there is not only thin stripe. Board number seems to be 5 or 7:
(http://ava.org.ru/iap/4/yak9t.jpg)

Yak from 148 iap (http://airaces.narod.ru/all16/yabrikov.htm (http://airaces.narod.ru/all16/yabrikov.htm)):
(http://airaces.narod.ru/all/148_iaps.jpg)

Yak from 293 iap (http://ava.org.ru/iap/293.htm (http://ava.org.ru/iap/293.htm))
(http://ava.org.ru/iap/293/yak-9t-80.jpg)

So here is reworked profile according to the Order № 07. Not decided yet whether digit "4" to rework according to "White 41" above, or let it be as is:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686877)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 26, 2021, 06:15:55 AM
Hi Misos,
I see that you have done a lot of research on this.
It seems that the plane 3 or 7 or 5x had the red paint extended on the base of the prop blades.
About the font of the 4, I would make it open unless differently proven, that style was vastly predominant on Soviet planes of the time.
The black part between the men could be a shadow projected by the low sun on the fuselage.
I've the impression that the number could be of two colors, possibly a inner part made in blue with stencil and a red contour made by brush or vice versa.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 26, 2021, 08:46:13 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank for reply. Regarding "04" camo patterns:

NKAP 1943, http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/1943-45-fighters/1943-45.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/1943-45-fighters/1943-45.html):
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/1943-45-fighters/tem-fighters1943.jpg)

Camo patterns of "Blue 41" fits to NKAP pretty well. Note AMT-12 field ends just behind the cockpit:
(http://ava.org.ru/iap/4/yak9t.jpg)
Note also that AMT-11 on the rear fuselage is lighter than AMT-11 on the middle fuselage in front of the cockpit, typical for Yak-9s, like here:
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak179/Yak-9/yak9-angular.jpg)

However, "04" has dark the whole top of the rear fuselage, or at least dark field (AMT-12) reach behind the half of the top fuselage. Is AMT-11 only behind pilots's head?
Anyhow, the image is heavily retouched, so question is, what in that picture is reality and what is artistic license. "0" looks like it could have an outline of the different color. IMHO it is only result of retouching. Also note the red star on the tail does not have thin black outline.
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686886)

If this is the same "04", although from the latter time period, its front fuselage fits NKAP 1943 also pretty well:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686514)
However, if this is not "04" from the photo above...
...and retouched "04" photo shows only 4x4=16 victory starlets - according to http://airaces.narod.ru/all1/stepanen.htm (http://airaces.narod.ru/all1/stepanen.htm) 16 victories is from about May 1943, e.g. more than one year earlier than period we speak about  (late 1944) then it could have black-green camo similar to this:
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/yak7/misos/wavy/Pict02.jpg)

or this:
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/1941-43/yak9-collage.jpg) ???

Seems that heavily retouched photo of "04" is not reliable at all and it is more-less "artistic creation"...
Did have Stepanenko another Yak "04"? That plane from late 1944 should have standard NKAP 1943 camouflage like "Blue 41" plus about 35 victory starlets without Red banner emblem, or up to 40 starlets with Red banner emblem...

Regards,
   66misos







Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 27, 2021, 06:59:42 AM
Hi Misos,
is it possible that the plane was built around June 1943? For a brief time, Yaks and Lavochkins were marked without the white outline although having a grey camouflage.
But, if the photo is of 1944, it is strange that the outline hasn't been added on.
By the way, i think to see the shadow of the photographer on the uniform of the man on the right.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 27, 2021, 07:16:31 PM
Hi Massimo,
In June 1943 the regiment converted to the Yak-9, and in the late autumn Stepanenko received a Yak-9T with a 37 mm cannon (https://www.vif2ne.org/nvi/forum/0/0.htm (https://www.vif2ne.org/nvi/forum/0/0.htm))
I am more and more open to idea that there were at least two versions of Yak-9T "04" overall appearance.

The first one - dated to summer 1943
If we suppose that heavily retouched photo in not only "artistic creation" but it reflects reality to some extent - 16 victory starlets, number 04 has the same shade of grey as the red star on the tail, but tail cap is significantly brighter (light blue):
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1686886)
then I would say that
- plane could have either old black-green or already grey-grey NKAP 1943 camo pattern with some repainting in the rear fuselage,
- board number was probably red,
- prop spinner was red without thin white/blue ring,
- tail cap was light blue,
- red stars with thin black outline,
- picture painted on the side of the fuselage.

EDIT: I just found this picture from Stankov's book at http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68753&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68753&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
(http://scalemodels.ru/images/2017/03/1490193291_002.jpg)
Compare number of victory starlets - 24 - with the previous photo ??? And then trust it...
However, if 24 starlets is correct, then photo could be dated to September 1943, so grey-grey camo is very probable.

Anyhow, compare it to Stepanenko's previous Yak-9 "17" also from the summer 1943 with 15 victory starlets:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1505199)

That time 4 iap belonged to 11 cak.

In 13 Apr 1944, e.g. several months latter Stepanenko was awarded HSU.

Another half year latter, in 28 Sep 1944, 4 iap together with 148 iap and 293 iap became part of the 185 iad.

After another month, in 23 Oct 1944, the Order № 07 that defined fast recog marking for planes in 185 iad was issued:
- red prop spinners for all planes in 185 iad.
- 5cm thin stripe around the prop spinner, tail top and board number in the regimental color - blue for 4 iap, yellow for 148 iap and white for 293 iap.

And finally, in 5 Nov 1944, 4 iap was awarded with Red banner order.

The second one - dated to late 1944
It could be either new Yak-9T or his old one but in the meantime repainted during very probable overhaul - it was already more than year old war machine.
Unfortunately no photo of Stepanenko's plane from this period is known. Stankov's profile is based on drawing of Stepanenko's plane mechanic.
So overall appearance of Stepanenko's Yak-9T from this time period is speculative.
So if I could speculate based on the mentioned info then I would say:
- plane had standard NKAP 1943 grey-grey camouflage,
- red propeller spinner,
- light blue tail cap, board number "04" and thin ring on the prop spinner,
- font of 04 same like on 41,
- standard red stars with white and thin red outline,
- about 35 victory starlets without Red banner emblem, or up to 40 starlets with Red banner emblem,
- preserved picture on the side (if it was old overhaled plane).

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 28, 2021, 12:33:52 PM
Hi Misos,
strange thing of the starlets... anyway I don'think that they have deleted victories from a photo, most likely they have added some.
Pity that the planes on the background appear overexposed, they don't give any informations on the camouflage.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 28, 2021, 08:32:55 PM
Hi Massimo,

I cannot post article at this forum. It return this message:

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Please try again. If you come back to this error screen, report the error to an administrator.

Could you check it, please? Is there any limit for the number of characters in the article?
Thank you.
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 29, 2021, 06:53:07 AM
Hi Misos, I don't know. It writes the same thing to me too since a pair of years ago. It is a problem of compatibility between the old smf forum and the database language. I have to delete a file of all-identical error segnalations every week else it makes the available disk space full.  But it never refused a post. Please try again.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 29, 2021, 08:09:59 PM
Hi Massimo,

I put to chronology the info I have found at Russian web pages.

May 1943 or earlier - 16 victories
Yak-9T was serially built at the factory N153 from March 1943.

July 3, 1943 - directive no.2389/0133 - the upper and side surfaces of all fighter aircraft have to be painted in greyish blue and dark grey colors.

From July 9, 1943 - 4 iap is part of 287 iad /1VA /Western Front
- Battle of Kursk - from July 9, 1943 to July 23, 1943

From July 27, 1943 - 4 iap is part of 11 cak /15VA /Bryansky Front
- July 26, 1943 - regiment received an order to fly over to the Bryansk front, and on July 29 they were already flying around the front line.
- from July 5 to August 6, 1943 - Military trials for combat use were carried out on 34 Yak-9T aircraft on the Central Front in 16 VA.
- After participating in the Kuban battle, the regiment relocated near Ryazan receives "new, more advanced Yak-9 aircraft with a 37-mm cannon". And immediately a tiger and a caricature of Goebbels appear on its white No. 17 drawn by a mechanic.
- August 5, 1943 - "17" is mentioned, as well as the fact that "the regiment is replenished with new machines and flight personal. The aircrafts were improved, they aquired new qualitative changes.
- Orel Operation "Kutuzov" - from July 27, 1943 to August 18, 1943.
- Bryansk Operation - from August 17, 1943 to October 3, 1943.
- Few days latter - based near the city Sukhinichi. And again Stepanenko mentioned "04" during flights from Sukhinichi airport.

September 3, 1943 - No.267 issued - red stars have to have outline with white line 5cm wide edged with red line 1cm wide.

September 12, 1943 - The last flight from Suhinichi airport before relocation to a new direction... and a month of rest and replenishment.

Known photos showing Stepanenko's "17" and "04" and paintings on his planes are from this "11cak /15VA /Bryansky Front" time period.

From November 1, 1943 - 4 iap is part of 11 cak /15VA /2nd Pribaltic Front.
- Leningrad-Novgorod Operation - from January 14, 1944 to March 1, 1944.

From September 28, 1944 - 4 iap is part of 185 iad /14 iak /15VA /2nd Pribaltic Front
- Riga Operation - from September 28, 1944 to October 22, 1944.

October 23, 1944 - Order No.07 issued, it specified fast recogn marking for palnes in 185 iad. For 4 iap red prop spinner and light blue thin stripe around prop spinner, tal cap and board number.

November 4, 1944 - 4 iap was awarded by Order of Red banner, emblem painted on the left side of the engine cowling.

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 30, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Hi,
here is my interpretation of Stepanenko's Yak-9T "04" from the summer 1943, when 4 iap belonged to 11 cak /15VA /Bryansky Front:

(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1688020)

EDIT:
And here is my interpretation of the possible appearance of Stepanenko's Yak-9T "04" from 1945, when 4 iap already belonged to 185 iad /14 iak /15VA /2nd Pribaltic Front. There is no known photo clearly showing this plane from this late period.
I assume it is the same plane repainted according to the NKAP 1943, with with elements of the fast recognition from 23 Oct 1944 and Order of the Red banner. Picture of the eagle with the plane in the meantime got bleached and weathered.

(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1688066)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: 66misos on June 01, 2021, 08:45:03 PM
Hi,
I am still not fully convinced with black-green camo.
Here is reason:
- July 3, 1943 - directive no.2389/0133 - the upper and side surfaces of all fighter aircraft have to be painted in greyish blue and dark grey colors.
- After the Kuban battle at the beginning of August 1943 - regiment receives "new, more advanced Yak-9 aircraft with a 37-mm cannon"
  e.g. 4 iap received new planes (Yak-9 and Yak-9T cca 1+ month after new grey-grey camo was introduced
- September 3, 1943 - No.267 issued - red stars have to have outline with white line 5cm wide edged with red line 1cm wide.
  e.g. new type of stars were introduced cca 1 month after 4 iap received new planes.

I do not know how long time it took to transfer aircraft from the factory to 4 iap, whether Zavod No.153 changed camo to the new NKAP 1943 scheme immediately, e.g. in July, whether supply of the new grey-grey paints were on hand immediately, or if they continued with black-green camo until they spent all stock etc.
But definitely there are 2 months between new grey-grey camo (July) and new type of red stars (September) are introduced. So there is pretty nice possibility to have aircraft delivered in August in the new grey-grey camo with old type red stars.

So, if everything took "appropriately enough" time, this Yak-9T could still have old black-green camouflage as shown in my previous post.

However, if things ran "miraculously fast", then this Yak-9T could have already new grey-grey camo:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1688745)
I put there 24 starlets like is on the photo from Stankov's book. This number better reflects score from the summer 1943.
Regards,
   66misos



Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-9xx profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 03, 2021, 06:44:53 AM
Hi Misos,
nice to see your reseach.
I am uncertain: your chronological reconstruction is convincing, even if the photo gives more the idea of a black green camouflage. Anyway, it could be retouched to put into evidence the men.
Regards
Massimo