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Title: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 01, 2018, 06:18:07 PM
Hi,
Here I have started work on the Yak-3 profile, this particular plane will be 4-view:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1365105)

Here is the original:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1365115)
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1365117)
"86" is in the background:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1365116)
Photos are again from http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-3/yak-3_color.html (http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-3/yak-3_color.html)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 03, 2018, 11:57:47 AM
Hi,
finished view from the left:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366096)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: learstang on January 03, 2018, 06:28:10 PM
Wow, that was fast! Beautiful work a usual, Michal! I look forward to seeing the other three views.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 03, 2018, 08:10:47 PM
Hi Misos,
looks very nice.
The photo of the nose puts into evidence the change in section between the reductor zone and the cylinder banks zone where it is more squared. Maybe the highlighting of the fuselage could put into evidence this thing in some way?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 04, 2018, 05:56:57 AM
Hi  Massimo,
thank you for comment. I reworked shining on the nose according to the some photos (not very good) I have found on he net. It definitely looks different from the noses on Yak-9x. I already replaced picture in my post above.
Here is the view from the right side:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366097)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 04, 2018, 08:15:24 AM
Hi Misos,
I would raise the lower outline of the highlight up to over the panel line in the exhaust area to show that the part is nearly flat, it could descend in the reduction gear area to show the section becoming round.
I must admit that I haven't compared it to other Yaks, but I would be surprised if they were different.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 04, 2018, 10:41:15 AM
Hi Massimo,
I reworked it again and both pictures (left and right) are replaced.
Here we continure with the view from the top:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366098)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 04, 2018, 07:51:31 PM
Hi,
a little progress:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366245)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Spitfire on January 05, 2018, 12:02:51 PM
This looking great, I have to resist the urge to start building my Special Hobby 1/32 scale Yak-3, but when I do these drawings will be very useful.

Cheers

Dennis


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 05, 2018, 12:59:09 PM
Hi Dennis,
thank you for comment.  :D
Here is finished the view from the top:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366589)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 05, 2018, 06:20:08 PM
Hi Misos,
beautiful drawing indeed. Only, the canopy has a foggy look, but I suppose that it is a choice to save work.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 06, 2018, 06:23:42 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. Yes, interior was too foggy, I corrected it and replaced picture in my post above.
Here is finished view on the undersurfaces:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366588)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 06, 2018, 07:22:34 AM
Hi,
here I started work on the another Yak-3 side-view profile - the plane of Marcel Albert from the Normandie-Niemen regiment:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366594)

It should be this plane:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366593)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 06, 2018, 09:24:16 AM
Hi Misos,
good work. Just, I don't see reasons why the cooler flap and the tail wheel area should be darker than other parts.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 06, 2018, 07:02:44 PM
Hi Massimo,
those dark areas is my interpretation of the curved undersurfaces - check the side view. I checked it on my 1/48 Yak-1 nad Yak-3 kits - when the sun is on 10-11 o'clock and some 45 above then the shadows looks like that. May be not 100% correct, but it is my vision.

Here is finished Yak-3 of Marcel Albert:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366862)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 07, 2018, 07:14:18 AM
Hi,
here is finished Yak-3 of S.V. Nosov from 150 giap at the end of the war:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1367059)

Photo of this plane is not publicly known but this sketch was drawn according to the private photo and memories of Nosov himself:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1367058)
May be it is not 100% correct but I wanted to make also something interesting and different from standard grey-grey camo.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: learstang on January 07, 2018, 05:28:57 PM
Very nice indeed, Michal! I might have to do my 1/72nd scale Zvezda kit like this.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 07, 2018, 09:28:23 PM
Hi Misos,
very nice plane. No star on the tail.
I don't know if the stenciling survived to their repaintings.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 08, 2018, 05:49:15 AM
Hi,
thank you for comments. :)
Massimo, I know, it is not 100% confirmed - may be stencils disapeared under field overall repaint, may be they were put there again, may be it is overall single grey already from the factory like on some Lavochkins... This was my choice. At the end, stencils were there for instructions and warnings, so quite important.
Regards,
   66misos



Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Troy Smith on January 08, 2018, 06:29:01 PM
Hi,
Here I have started work on the Yak-3 profile, this particular plane will be 4-view:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1365105)

Here is the original:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1365115)
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1365117)
"86" is in the background:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1365116)
Photos are again from http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-3/yak-3_color.html (http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-3/yak-3_color.html)
Regards,
   66misos


(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366097)

A comment Misos

the '86' is a little too neat and regular,   in both the photo of  '86' and '87'  the number, while stencilled, in the case of 87, the '7' is smaller, in the case of '86',
note the '6' is slightly lower then the '8' and maybe a little bigger.

it looks like the painter has used the bottom line of the fuselage as his reference,  and so the numbers are also leaning forward a little, and the 6 is slightly lower,   yours are aligned with the upper fuselage line.

If you imagine the plane at rest on the ground, and then painting it with a stencil, using the lower furlage as a guide, you can see how the alignment  I mention happens.
 
A small detail, but I know your work is very carefully observed, usually I have nothing to add, and the site does not have a 'like this' facility, and I try to avoid thread clutter so don't post  comments.

cheers
T


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 09, 2018, 05:50:09 AM
Hi Troy,
thank you for comment.
I know exactly what you mean. Photos of "86" are either from a distance and fuzzy or from close but from sharp angle and perspective, so in both cases not very clear.
Therefore as a refference I used also other photos with the same "rounded" digits from the same regiment.
These "long" three-digits numbers looks similarly to what you described:
(http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-3/color/photo_yak-3_39.jpg)
(http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-3/color/photo_yak-3_38.jpg)

However, this "short" two-digits "99" looks to be aligned neither to the bottom not to the top, but to the edge where upper vertical part of the fuselage changes to rounded. The star is aligned in the same way:
(http://www.airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-3/color/photo_yak-3_37.jpg)

All "rounded" digits look to have the same dimensions - IMHO they measured, drawn and cut templates/stencil from the paper individual digits.
I always superposition semitransparent photo over drawing and adjust angle and perspective as much as possible to match overall plane shapes and then I draw details like stars, numbers, emblems ets. It does not work 100% always, but it helps a lot.
Regards,
   66misos



Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 09, 2018, 06:16:28 PM
Hi Misos, hi Troy,
now that I see, the photo of 86 shows that the digits are not only rotated, but shifted too. The 6 is not aligned with the x axis of the 8, but moved downwards.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 28, 2018, 07:26:38 PM
Hi,
here is profile of the Yak-3 belonging to general G.N. Zakharov, commander of the 303 iad, spring 1945:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1374403)

Photos of the original:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1374404)

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1374401)

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1374400)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 28, 2018, 08:31:49 PM
Hi Misos,
beautiful work as usual.
It would be good to show enlarged drawings of the markings near the profile.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Graham Boak on January 28, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
The contrast with the red in the stars on the tail and fuselage suggest that the background to the figure is not red.  I've a feeling I've seen this before as blue, and also as yellow, but not red.


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 29, 2018, 07:51:28 AM
Hi,
I think that it can well be red. It appears light in the same photos where the stars and the banner of the emblem appear light, and dark in another one. Besides I remember the discussion where the iconography of S.George had usually a red background.
I have some doubt about the outline of the arrow, because I think to see it as dark on the front of the arrow of the first photo. If so, the outline could have been dark blue instead of red.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on January 29, 2018, 08:27:08 AM
Hi,
thank you for comments.
Here is discussion about the color of the embelem - red or others - http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=1773.0 (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=1773.0). While red color has at least historical background while other colors are only guessing, I decided for red.
Regardding arrow outline - also outer outline of the red stars quite often looks darker than star, althought it it surely red. I do not know why. Thicker layer of color...? Plus red was very usual paint in the regiments. While dark blue was unusual at regiments, no standard use for it.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub4/Yak3.jpg)

There is also question about board number. Some authors paint there no. 1, others nothing. From the link above "Zaharov's Yak-3 belonged to division stab... it had white arrow, number should have been at mid-fuselage, close to the arrow's break". Similar like many other N-N Yaks.
IMHO original number at the mid-fuselage was overpanted with the big emblem, e.g. there was no board number.

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 29, 2018, 08:37:18 PM
Hi Misos,
this sounds very likely. But who knows about the other side...
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on February 01, 2018, 08:58:55 AM
Hi,
here is work in progress on Yak-3 from 64 giap, pilot S. Rogovoy:
EDIT - updated picture:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1376043)

Original:
(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1375481)
(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1375480)
(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1375479)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 01, 2018, 10:23:34 AM
Hi Misos,
looks excellent.
About the inscription in the emblem, I think that it's better to revise the space between the letters.  I suppose that some outlines are painted in golden paint.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on February 01, 2018, 07:20:29 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you :) I reworked the whole inscription in the emblem. I used only standard colors widely available in the aircraft factories. IMHO nothing like golden paint was on hand there that time.

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1375627)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 02, 2018, 06:29:28 PM
Hi Misos,
excellent work as usual.
Only, I suggest to reconsider the shade of the outline of the sky in the emblem. Can be that it was not golden paint, but it is much lighter than the black you've utilized.
If the ring is intended as a lifebelt, it could be that the lower part of the white half was painted light grey to represent a shadow on a curved surface.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on February 03, 2018, 12:09:04 PM
Hi Massimo,
thank you. :D I reworked shadows on the lifebelt and already replaced picture in my pust above.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on February 06, 2018, 06:55:49 PM
Hi,
here is Yak-3, B.G. Ermokhin, 402 iap, Germany, Spring1945:
EDIT: corrected picture in my post below.

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1377312)

(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1377311)

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 06, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
Hi Misos,
great work as always.
The spiral on the photo becomes wider rearwards, and the inclination should be less so it arrives in different way on the upwards blade root.
The wing emblem should be a bit shorter when compared to the exhaust pipes. The 4 needs to be revised too.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on February 07, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. When looking at the photo also white outline of the red star should be thicker. I will rework it sometime next days when I have some free time.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 07, 2018, 01:55:28 PM
Hi Misos,
the red star inside the outline looks really smaller in advantage of the white part.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on February 08, 2018, 07:12:27 AM
Hi Massimo,
EDIT: corrected profile:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1377842)
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 08, 2018, 10:01:27 AM
Hi Misos,
excellent work, but I think that the number 4 should be reconsidered. I think to see that the upper part of the vertical leg should end higher and parallel to the oblique brace, and the part protruding on the right should be reduced and nearly disappear. Besides I think that the numbers should end rounded on their lower part, and probably 1 have 'noses'.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on February 09, 2018, 06:12:24 AM
Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment.
here is another Yak-3 from 402 iap:
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w43/Renato71/SovietAirForceFighterColours1941-2.jpg)
Digit "1" really has "nose" so I added it also to mine. Plus, number "1" is angular, not rounded. So I left all digits in the number 114 also angular, not rounded. However, didit "4" again is slightly reworked, even also this is speculative and only theoretical - the photo of 114 is not very clear and sharp and does not show much of digit "4".
The final reworked profile is in my post above.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 09, 2018, 07:08:55 AM
Hi Misos,
looks fine.
Plane 100 seems to have an interesting light propeller, maybe it worths a drawing.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on February 09, 2018, 09:21:32 AM
Hi Massimo,
here are some interpretations of the "White 100" from 402 iap:
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/268/pics/1_24.jpg)
(http://www.redbanner.co.uk/WCS/example/yak3-white100.jpg)
and replica of Yak-3 from 1994 painted according to EP instructions:
(https://www.flyinglegends.com/medias/2014/06/Yak-3-Pic-1-560x400.jpg)

On the photo of original "White 100" the prop blades look really light. According to the standard they could by either black or grey. Here they look either weathered/bleached grey or white - same as the prop spinner. ???
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 09, 2018, 11:09:58 AM
Hi Misos,
I think that the plane is camouflaged, but both the spinner and the blades seem white.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: barneybolac on February 18, 2018, 12:14:18 PM
Hi,
here is work in progress on Yak-3 from 64 giap, pilot S. Rogovoy:
EDIT - updated picture:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1376043)

Original:
(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1375481)
(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1375480)
(http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1375479)

Regards,
   66misos

My skinning friend For Aces High III didn't waste any time including your profile.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/20a78ef.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/10yl5qo.jpg)


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on February 22, 2018, 09:54:40 PM
Hi barney,
very nice 3D renderings. My best regards to your skinning friend. I am glad my work can inspire somebody.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Plator on May 03, 2018, 08:04:54 PM
Hi Massimo,
EDIT: corrected profile:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1377842)
Regards,
   66misos

Hello misos. My compliments for the very nice profile. Since I am trying to build Ermokhin's Yak-3 in 1/72 scale, I am very interested in your work. I do have a question for you though. To your knowledge, was the white heart with the eagle depicted on both sides pf the fuselage or only on the left ?

Regards

Plator       


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on May 05, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
Hi Plator,

thank you, I am glad you like the profile  :)
Unfortunately, I do not know photo of this plane from the other side. However, planes with such "complicated/advanced" personal graphics are often, or almost exclusively photographed only from one side. It could mean that there was nothing interesting on the other side, but it is only my guess. I personally would put it only on one side.
Happy modelling.

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Plator on May 06, 2018, 04:46:46 PM
Thanks a lot Misos for the prompt answer. when I finish the model I will surely post it here at the forum.
And please continue with your excellent work on profiles/
Best regards
Plator
 


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: PG monster on November 28, 2018, 06:08:47 AM


"86" is in the background:
(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1365116)


(http://modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1366097)


Hi, great work, but the white one at the nose is the case. The spinner should be red , but it's covered by the case.


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on November 29, 2018, 09:29:27 AM
Hi PG monster,
thank you for comment. Do you mean the red prop spinner like here http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2336.msg20638#msg20638 (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2336.msg20638#msg20638)?
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: PG monster on November 30, 2018, 10:53:34 AM
Yes, the red prop spinner.


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: 66misos on December 02, 2018, 04:01:34 PM
Hi All,
here is corrected the right-side view according to the PG monster's note:

(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1452224)

Regards,
  66misos


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: PG monster on December 03, 2018, 07:03:16 AM
Thank you very much!


Title: Re: Yakovlev Yak-3 profiles
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 03, 2018, 12:41:36 PM
Hi Misos,
it's nice to see your work updated to the best available informations. I hope to see new works of you soon.
Regards
Massimo