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Title: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 11, 2018, 08:07:31 AM
Hi all,
there is an interesting photo of a LaGG-3 with sharkmouth:
(http://scalemodels.ru/images/2018/03/1520715107_28959283_1921465597865080_781546458760862821_n.jpg)
The link is on http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1505&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=740 (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1505&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=740)
where they give a link to another page where there is a better photo of the same plane:
http://female-heroes.mil.ru/ (http://female-heroes.mil.ru/)
The second image itself is not easy to be linked, but can be found browsing those of the 156 IAP.
The plane looks of 1943 production, unfortunately only the nose is well visible and the bort number is unknown.
There are other photos of planes of the same unit without the sharkmouth, so it had to be an individual mark.

I vaguely remember a profile of EP with a sharkmouth attributed to the NN regiment, but this doesn't seem the case. Besides his profile was of a plane with 37 mm gun.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: barneybolac on March 11, 2018, 11:47:45 AM

The second image itself is not easy to be linked,
Regards
Massimo

(https://i.imgur.com/QJKXknk.jpg)


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 11, 2018, 01:27:19 PM
Thank you.
Could anyone translate the captions?


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 11, 2018, 04:03:20 PM
Girls - gunsmiths junior sergei Kazakova and Kurishova, rank and file Evdokimova and Antipova Awarded by the command of the regiment with medals "for military merit" SZF (North Front Command) 1943year


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 11, 2018, 04:05:41 PM
Combat crew of Lieutenant Colonel Yegorov at his plane Leningrad Front 1943


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 11, 2018, 04:22:13 PM
(https://s17.postimg.org/kez59gdwv/post-84044-1450542812.jpg)


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 11, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
Hi,
thank you for the photo.
I've tried to darken the visible piece of the rear of the fuselage. I think to see something of the number. It could be 12.
On this photo one can see some light spot on the tail, I wonder if it is anything significant but it is very blurried.
I don't think to see anything on the photo showing the other side of the tail.
I wonder if anything is known on this plane from written sources or memoirs.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 11, 2018, 07:34:48 PM
This aircraft commandant 156 Guards IAP p / p Egorova AS. He died on 30.09.43.
On September 31, 1943, his deputy Dolgushin SV was appointed in his place.

156 The GIAP was equipped with LaGG-3 aircraft from 17.02.41. Since 01.11.43 it was rearmed on La-5


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 11, 2018, 10:11:56 PM
Hi,
thank you for the informations.
The predecessor of Dolgushin, then. So he didn't write memoirs. I wonder if the number of his plane is written anywhere.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: warhawk on March 11, 2018, 10:19:08 PM
Quite an interesting exhaust pipe arrangement on that last photo.
What type would two pipes on each side of cowling denote?


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 11, 2018, 10:30:25 PM
Judging by the shadows, they are there as expected - 3


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 12, 2018, 08:08:04 AM
Yes, a bit misaligned, but 3 pipes.


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 12, 2018, 07:57:17 PM
Hi,
I've darkened the detail of the fuselage side and I think to see something well compatible with a number 12.

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lagg3/sharkmouth1b.jpg)

Any thoughts?

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 12, 2018, 08:31:59 PM
It can also be 12 like 10,13,16,18,19...


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 13, 2018, 08:14:52 AM
Hi,
yes, but there is a small dark area that let seem that the upper part of the second digit is open. It could be a defect of the photo, or it could be real. If it is real, it can be 2 only.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: PG monster on March 13, 2018, 08:49:02 AM
This aircraft commandant 156 Guards IAP p / p Egorova AS. He died on 30.09.43.

Exuse me, not guardian, just 156 IAP.

Great photo! Thank you very much!


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 13, 2018, 03:39:57 PM
Is there any link to his biography on the web?
Is there anything useful on this document in Russian? I can't translate it.
http://podvignaroda.ru/?#id=150234700&tab=navDetailDocument (http://podvignaroda.ru/?#id=150234700&tab=navDetailDocument)
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 13, 2018, 07:50:09 PM
In a nutshell, this is a list of awards, reward reports and lists of awards for the 6th Air Army of the North Pillar Front

Specifically on the biography of Yegorov, the AU has not found anything yet. Although there is a repeated mention of him. There are reports on the actions of the 156th IAA from 41 to 46 years.


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: PG monster on March 14, 2018, 05:29:18 AM
http://podvignaroda.ru/?#id=150234703&tab=navDetailManAward
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig-chelovek_predstavlenie1532467183/?backurl=%2Fheroes%2F%3Flast_name%3D%D0%95%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%26first_name%3D%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9%26middle_name%3D%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87%26group%3Dall%26types%3Dpamyat_commander%3Anagrady_nagrad_doc%3Anagrady_uchet_kartoteka%3Anagrady_ubilein_kartoteka%3Apotery_doneseniya_o_poteryah%3Apotery_gospitali%3Apotery_utochenie_poter%3Apotery_spiski_zahoroneniy%3Apotery_voennoplen%3Apotery_iskluchenie_iz_spiskov%3Apotery_kartoteki%3Apotery_vpp%26page%3D1%26poslednee_mesto_sluzhbi%3D%20156


Till 1943 he shot down 1 plane + 2 in group (shared). He got Red Banner order and For Leningrad defence medal.
He commanded 156 iap 10.10.1940 30.09.1943, then replaced by Dolgushin. No more info.


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 14, 2018, 09:50:46 AM
I see. Being not an ace, he is not mentioned in sites on Soviet aces.
I wonder if to draw a profile with the data I have, and the hypothetical number 12.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 14, 2018, 10:05:55 AM

I think that in the absence of more detailed photos and descriptions, this is entirely acceptable.


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 14, 2018, 01:55:34 PM
And most likely it is LaGG-3 29 series


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 14, 2018, 02:24:32 PM
What is the difference to 35 series?


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 14, 2018, 03:31:08 PM
What is the difference to 35 series?

Not exactly, not 22, but 29 series.
The difference with the 35th is that on the 35 series there was a cannon HC-37. There may come the 34th series. But the bypass of the oil cooler is more suitable for the 22nd-29th series. But the air intakes on the roof are more square that more suits the 29th series.


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 14, 2018, 07:23:27 PM
Hi,
if I remember well, the 37 mm gun was installed on planes of 34 serie. Well, maybe it was a spot installation on planes of different series. I wonder if the ventral glycol cooler intake was of the metallic type.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on March 14, 2018, 07:36:55 PM
In any case, a very gentle cut of the oil cooler is visible from the photo. What is NOT characteristic for the 30 series.


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 14, 2018, 09:43:50 PM
I've the impression that there are doors on the tail wheel, but the image is very blurry.


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: TISO on April 08, 2018, 06:04:55 PM
This aircraft commandant 156 Guards IAP p / p Egorova AS. He died on 30.09.43.
On September 31, 1943, his deputy Dolgushin SV was appointed in his place.

156 The GIAP was equipped with LaGG-3 aircraft from 17.02.41. Since 01.11.43 it was rearmed on La-5
Are you shure about date of his death?
From a photogallery of ancestors of Marina Mirutenko:
https://my.mail.ru/list/mirboa/photo/262

(https://content.foto.my.mail.ru/list/mirboa/262/i-283.jpg)
Quote
На фотографии есть дата и место: Восточная Пруссия, март 1945 г. 20 апреля мой геройский дед, Егоров Алексей Степанович, скончался в Москве от кровоизлияния в мозг, только что выписавшись из госпиталя в Сокольниках, где лежал после тяжелой контузии
On photo is date and place: East Prussia march 1945. On 20th april my heroic grandad Yegorov Aleksei Stepanovich died in Moscov due to brain hemorrage. That is written from hospital in Sokolniki where he lied after heavy contusion.

from same gallery:
(https://content.foto.my.mail.ru/list/mirboa/262/i-285.jpg)
Quote
Мой дед, летчик истребитель, Егоров Алексей Степанович. На этой фотографии еще подполковник, командир полка, с ребятами - техниками
my grandad fighter pilot Yegorov Aleksei Stepanovich. On this photo he is still podpolkovnik regimental commander with his boys-mechanics

same gallery:
(https://content.foto.my.mail.ru/list/mirboa/262/i-267.jpg)
Quote
Дед, командир авиадивизии
Granpa commander of air division


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Johann on April 08, 2018, 10:04:28 PM
Data was taken from Wikipedia on 156 GIAP. I did not invent anything myself.
Then the riddle - if Yegorov did not die, then why did his deputy take his place and where did his plane go?


Title: Re: sharkmouth LaGG-3 of 156 IAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 09, 2018, 05:45:21 AM
I think to understand that he was promoted as division commander. I wonder if it was the same division of 156 IAP.
Good question about the plane, if he took it as his personal one or left it in the regiment to another pilot.
Regards
Massimo