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Modeling Soviet Warplanes => General Modeling => Topic started by: Shugayev on November 15, 2018, 05:35:16 AM



Title: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 15, 2018, 05:35:16 AM
Hi all,
I have started building a 1/48 Tamiya Il-2 and I intend to show a lot of interior detail. The question is: How true is the coloring in the cutaway drawing below especially in the places I have arrowed?..i.e.: fuselage tanks color, wooden fuselage interior color,wing ribs color and radiator air intake color.
Thanks a lot,
Panagiotis.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/4158/QwHuvj.png)


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 15, 2018, 09:37:27 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
for a first try to answer you can have a look here:
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/internal-colors-primers/internal-colors-primers.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/colors/internal-colors-primers/internal-colors-primers.html)
Late Il-2 with metallic wings seem to have a red brown primer inside the wings, but it is not clear if this color can be seen in the weapons bays.  Many wrecks (of previous versions) show dark green inside the flaps and, in part, into the landing gear bays.
More to come, I hope.
Regards
Massimo



Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 15, 2018, 02:06:51 PM
Hi Massimo,
Thanks a lot for your prompt reply. The link is stunning and l'm sure I'll find all my questions answered. :)
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 16, 2018, 08:08:27 AM
Hi,
about wooden fuselage: an early MiG-3 of 1941 shows wood color.  Early Lavochkins seem to have silver wood in the cockpit area, but it seems black on the rear area.
Il-2M3 is of 1944/45, so I suppose that the rear area, the gunner cockpit at least, was painted with DD-118 uninflammable grey paint, in the range of Humbrol 27, not very different from A-14.
Fuel piping were yellow, but I think that the fuel tanks were covered by a layer of rubber to be self-sealing, giving a blackish look.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 19, 2018, 08:35:36 AM
Hi,
about wooden fuselage: an early MiG-3 of 1941 shows wood color.  Early Lavochkins seem to have silver wood in the cockpit area, but it seems black on the rear area.
Il-2M3 is of 1944/45, so I suppose that the rear area, the gunner cockpit at least, was painted with DD-118 uninflammable grey paint, in the range of Humbrol 27, not very different from A-14.
Fuel piping were yellow, but I think that the fuel tanks were covered by a layer of rubber to be self-sealing, giving a blackish look.
Regards
Massimo
Thanks a lot Massimo. :) I'll be back with another question. I feel I'm in the right place here. ;)
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 19, 2018, 08:06:36 PM
Hi again,
I'm watching this restoration link with great interest..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWCM7RQhbqc

My question is..Are the light yellow-green and grey primers? I think -you know much better- if  they are reliable? For the grey as you have mentioned above, was painted below the camo floor of the fuselage?

Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 19, 2018, 09:22:45 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
those primers don't resemble to what I have seen on photos of wrecks. Yes, yellow is plausible as ALG-1, but I have seen shades of grey-green (alg-5?) and red brown inside the wings. It is very possible that these colors were covered by a layer of grey on inside surfaces that remained accessible, and this was lost due to weathering.
The accuracy of the colors of that restoration is bad, green-black camo went out of use in 1943 and that version of plane is of 1944-45.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 20, 2018, 08:44:41 AM
Spasiba balsoia Massimo. 😊
I've started my OOB Il-2M3 1/48 scale. The big fun though will be with my detailed Shturmovik for which I keep the read-up with your valuable help. ;)


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 20, 2018, 11:24:28 AM
Hi Pamagiotis,
about the rear UB of the kit of Tamiya, it has a cylinder on its top that is present on some postwar planes, but I have never (or nearly) seen it on wartime planes. I suggest to check this detail after havng choosen the plane you want to reproduce.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 20, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Hi Massimo,
You mean this one here?

(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7711/aewAOn.jpg)


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 20, 2018, 10:33:54 PM
Hi,
no, I remember a short horizontal cylinder over the gas recovery pipe, but now I don't see it on this photo. I wonder if I remember badly, or this kit was corrected. The cylinder can be seen on the photos of the plane in Prague museum, but not on the wartime ones.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 27, 2018, 05:35:55 PM
Hi Massimo,
I saw somewhere a side view of an all black Il-2. Point is, I can't find it again. I think it's a good idea for me to get my cutaway project done on a black background so that the primer colouring should show much better. Could you please tell me if indeed there were black painted Il-2s?
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 28, 2018, 12:35:51 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
no, I don't think at all. I think to have seen the profile, but never any photo.
Some Yugoslavian Il-2s were painted overall dark grey, if I remember well.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 29, 2018, 05:41:33 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
no, I don't think at all. I think to have seen the profile, but never any photo.
Some Yugoslavian Il-2s were painted overall dark grey, if I remember well.
Regards
Massimo
Hi Massimo, 
Pity, it woulld be nice. Found the profile btw.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/9473/hRgczl.png)

Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 29, 2018, 09:46:17 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
yes, I remember that profile on 'Profiles' serie, sorry for the joke of words.  Not credible at all.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 30, 2018, 07:24:25 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
yes, I remember that profile on 'Profiles' serie, sorry for the joke of words.  Not credible at all.
Regards
Massimo
Hi Massimo,
Point taken.. So...for the OOB build I'll go for your profile ;) which is very challenging,

(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/6810/hSbbNh.jpg)

while for the detailed build-which is the point of our discussion- I''l go for Beregovoy's 22

(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/9159/GRsEEU.jpg)

I'd like to know though if they're a match for Tamiya's 1/48 61113 kit. I can see a difference in the shape of the gunner's canopy.. :-[

(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/6500/9FamFE.jpg)

Cheers,
Panagiotis.



Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 30, 2018, 09:33:00 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
unfortunately, I have many doubts on the red nose of the plane of Beregovoy.
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/il-2/il2-camo/il-2m3/beregovoi.jpg)
As you can see, the only image that seems to show a red nose is extremely retouched, practically a drawing. Besides it shows a second sharp band.
It could be that the photo was badly restored and the camouflage lines were made straight.
I suggest to look for confirmations, if you find any, or choose another plane, or accept the risk knowing that this characteristic isn't proved.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 30, 2018, 02:21:18 PM
Hi Massimo,
Thanks for the photo and the info. I'll let you know when it comes to paint the model. May be until then something else comes up.
Now for the nice winter camo of your profile. Is there any photo and info about the pilot and the plane itself?
Cheers
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 30, 2018, 04:16:04 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
have you noted that plane n.100 is represented with straight  wings? I think that the model of Tamiya depicts arrow wings. Its a pity, I know...
To tell the truth the photo shows only a central part of the fuselage, not the wings, but the straight wing version was predominant in January 1944, arrows started to arrive in that period.
This is the pilot: http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=15299 (http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=15299)
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on November 30, 2018, 05:42:01 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
have you noted that plane n.100 is represented with straight  wings? I think that the model of Tamiya depicts arrow wings. Its a pity, I know...
To tell the truth the photo shows only a central part of the fuselage, not the wings, but the straight wing version was predominant in January 1944, arrows started to arrive in that period.
This is the pilot: http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=15299 (http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=15299)
Regards
Massimo
Hi Massimo,
OOoops, I didn't notice the wings.. :( No problem, credibility comes first.. :)
As for painting my choices are restricted. 22 is my lucky number and yellow my favorite color.. ;D Although I'd prefer a Russian pilot, Beregovoy is just fine..He served the USSR and was greatly honored for that..So Beregovoy's plane in two versions..A cutaway and an OOB one..
Have a nice weekend
Cheers
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on December 06, 2018, 06:42:58 AM
Hi Massimo,
Time for some primer color info on the cockpit area. As far as I know -with your help- the rear area, the gunner cockpit at least, was painted with DD-118 uninflammable grey paint..BUT..Your help is more than needed especially here. I will help you with the following photos which show numbered parts. What I'd like to know is the primer color of these areas. Tough question, I know, wild guesses are inevitable but in any case I'll stick to your suggestions..So take your time and shoot your answers! :D Needless to say this cutaway construction is dedicated to Massimo, so go for it! 8)
Cheers,
Panagiotis.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/6554/dYW5uQ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/a/img922/1800/QJ6iqS.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/a/img923/4735/6RCbQQ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/a/img924/574/sJ8tR1.jpg)
 (https://imageshack.com/a/img921/5329/J9czGR.jpg)


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: K.Ingraham on December 06, 2018, 05:20:44 PM
Mr Shugayev,
Spasiba bolshoi! For a rare break from AMS ("advanced modeling syndrome") I just started an out-of-box 72d build of Eduard's IL-2 using the included Cpt Beregov's red 22 markings. Your inquiries have not only helped but encouraged me to get it done!


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 07, 2018, 07:58:21 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
your questions are really difficult, I don't think to give sure answers.
Have you documents? A good way could be to paint the plane as shown on photos of the museum of Prague or Belgrad. There are a lot of photos on the web and on monographs. Anything can write, it is copied from images.
Surely you can't be biased if you use A-14 grey as base color for nearly all metallic parts. This could be the color of factory (but which factory? Three Zavods were building Il-2s at the end of the war) or, if not the color of factory, this was likely for a repainting during maintenance.
It is possible that the painting of wooden part was made with DD-118, that is very similar, just a bit darker and more purple, something as Humbrol 27.
It is possible that, as we often see inside the langing gear bays, the base color was some greenish one (ALG-5 probably) with unpainted details.
A drawing from a manual shows light green as base, but it is a didactic drawing, reliable for the colors of the handles but not for the background.
On the plane of Belgrad, the fuel tank looks medium/dark grey with unpainted metal fasteners.
I would help more, but if you can find images it risks to be an unuseful talking.

Hi Keith,
out of box models are a good care, I made some last year. My choice was to make some obsolete kits of planes, so I wouldn't regret too much if the result was mediocre. Anyway, they took their place.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on December 07, 2018, 09:25:23 AM
Hi Massimo,
I cannot post photos now but the following link of a restored Il-2 has influenced me a lot. The cockpit colors though do not appeal to me. In contrast, with my little experience in VVS aviation, the coloring of the other surfaces-fuselage, wings-seem to be quite credible but I cannot say sth more than that for now.
Cheers
Panagiotis.

http://www.ilyushin.org/en/press/media/gallery/335/


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 07, 2018, 09:29:13 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
I agree that those colors don't look right.
Have you some reference books as 4+, or the one of Jason or victor? Eventually, I think that the photos of the cockpits can be found on the web.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on December 07, 2018, 03:40:15 PM
Hi Massimo,
In the link above it seems that the guys restoring the Il-2 have been using ALG-5 primer,haven't they? Also they've been using a light green color as a primer for the outer wing structure which is a badly shaded ALG-1(?) :-\ Well, to reach a point, I'm thinking of leaving the cockpit area unpainted alumimium and for breaking the monotony I may spray the side cockpit ALG-1 or ALG-5, what do you suggest could be better? ::) After all, this is a model construction full of cutaway elements and definitely not one based on strict OOB rules, wait and see. 8)
Here is a bunch of photos of my OOB Il-2 cockpit. The big challenge is the cutaway project though. ;)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/2338/eO2Lyh.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/a/img922/5548/B6IB0N.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/a/img924/8808/DcROYY.jpg)
 


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 07, 2018, 08:06:09 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
aluminum... no, the main parts of the fuselage of Il-2 were made of steel, not aluminum.
According to EP, ALG-5 was a sort of light grey-blue. But the chips of Nakrasok show a medium olivish grey-green. It was a mix of ALG-1 and A-14.
The already painted cockpit seems very well made. You have a good technique of black washing.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on December 07, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
Hi Massimo,
Thanks for the comment. :) Ok,steel then,not aluminium, very good to know that. ;)  I'll try a mixture of steel in the side cockpit and the seat and grey in the instruments. Maybe a touch of ALG-1 somewhere. As I said it's a free style build that, anxious to show as much as I can.Thanks for everything. You'll be the first to see the painted cockpit, comment on it and tell me what to correct.Have a nice weekend,
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 08, 2018, 08:47:27 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
I don't think that the seat was made of steel. Steel was for the armoured body. The spinner, propeller, the concave plate in front of the oil cooler intake and the karman, and the wings and tail, were aluminum.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on December 08, 2018, 01:31:06 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
I don't think that the seat was made of steel. Steel was for the armoured body. The spinner, propeller, the concave plate in front of the oil cooler intake and the karman, and the wings and tail, were aluminum.
Regards
Massimo
Hi Massimo. Of course a seat is not made of steel, I just put it wrong. I sprayed the area last night and being reluctant I just sprayed steel in the armor plate behind the pilot and aluminum the seat itself as well as the bulkhead supporting it and the door leading to the rear fuselage. I'll show you photos tomorrow or Monday at the latest. Better I didn't experiment with the primers at least in the cockpit area, eh,,?  ;D


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on December 10, 2018, 06:46:24 AM
Hi Massimo,
Here is a photo of the sprayed cockpit. the area is not washed yet. As you can see I just sprayed ALG-1 in certain areas while the seat is aluminium. Your opinion when you can.Especially on the shade of the primer.
Cheers,
Panagiotis.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/7917/9z0Nfg.jpg)


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 10, 2018, 01:11:53 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
the shade of the ALG-1 is credible, it was not strictly standardized but resembles the one I have seen on photos of Pe-2. Personally I think that ALG-5 grey-green is more likely on steel, but who knows?
The work is very nice anyway.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on December 17, 2018, 09:18:36 AM
Hi Massimo,
In case you're wondering why I'm asking so many questions.. :D

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/923/5M85bU.jpg?new=true

Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 17, 2018, 03:09:43 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
this work is a big one, it will turn into a most interesting model.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: learstang on December 30, 2018, 07:40:09 AM
Very nice work on that interior. I have to admit to being a bit lazy and painting the interiors on my Il-2s in A-14 Steel Grey using Testors MM Neutral Gray.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on December 30, 2018, 10:58:13 AM
Hi guys,
Thanks a lot for your comments on my work! :)
I've gone even further with cutting panels.I've reached to this point..

(https://imageshack.com/i/pmJpHr9zj) (https://imageshack.com/i/plHbp8fPj)

I'd like to ask about the shade of the unpainted wood of the rear fuselage.Which of the two would you pick?

(https://imageshack.com/i/pllICeIIj)

or VIAM B3?

(https://imageshack.com/i/porXAwXJj)

also another question on the primer of what colour should use for the structure under the skin in wing area.  I assumed Russian use ALG-1 for over the whole plane as primer then spay A-14 grey over it.  How about the wing ribs and spars under the skin.  ALG-1 only? or ALG-1 + A-14?

And last but not least..I lack photo ref in the gun bay panels.In other words the mounting of the wing guns.Photos like the following are not sufficient..

(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/5531/Hz9fbr.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/a/img922/2271/lGojtP.jpg)

Hey Massimo..take your time and give me your lights!.. :)

Happy New year to everyone!
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on December 30, 2018, 11:23:23 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
the wrecks of 1942/43 seem to show green (ALG-5) or unpainted inside. Wrecks of 1944/45 seem to show some red brown primer, but I can't be sure that it was so in general or inside the gun bays. I would go with ALG-5.
About wood, you could use an half shade. I suppose that they had to utilize some protective, you could make a dark wash over a light base.
I don't know if this can be called 'light', i suppose that 'guess' would be more appropriate.
The work is coming out good and clean.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 07, 2019, 06:14:34 AM
Hi Massimo and a Happy New year to everyone,
All the following images have sth in common,

(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/7183/HbcUpe.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/a/img923/9079/nvew0D.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7671/vG0szp.png)

the wooden base on which the Mikulin engine stood on the Il-2s. I'd like to ask if that was the case with other ww2 USSR planes and if possible you can find for me some more photos of this base in order to show it in my model.
Massimo, thanks again for your previous reply,
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 07, 2019, 03:16:30 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
that brown thing is a steel frame, somewat rusty. Not wood in the engine compartment.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 07, 2019, 07:52:33 PM
Hi Massimo,
Good to know that. I'd swear it was wood. :P
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 09, 2019, 05:58:26 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
it is necessary to confirm that it was present when the engine was mounted on. It could be only a jig used in building the metal frame.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 09, 2019, 09:09:06 AM
Hi Massimo,
Thanks a lot for the information. I was going to make one if it hadn't been for you. :(
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 09, 2019, 09:29:47 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
it is surely a jig. If you see the mounting of AM-35 and 38, it needs to protrude its lower part between the supports, below them.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 10, 2019, 05:36:53 AM
Hi Massimo,
Point taken. Thanks again!
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 20, 2019, 08:36:37 PM
Hi Massimo,
Another question for you. Here's the photo.

(https://imageshack.com/i/po2KvY1Pj)

As far as I know it's a device used to hoist bombs onto the bomb bay. What I don't know is how the rope-or the wire- of this device was connected to the bomb itself. Should there not be an open bomb bay cover just below the cockpit? I may sound naive but I intend to show the device and the hoisting wire in my cutaway project.
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 20, 2019, 09:20:18 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
I think to see two small holes under the wheels and the wire going into them. Probably it makes a loop under the bomb.
The plane in the photo is an Il-10.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 21, 2019, 06:56:28 AM
Hi Massimo,
Here's the same device on a Il-2

(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/6661/OwMbaH.png)

while it looks a bit different on a Su-2

(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/5048/S3D6lR.png)

Perhaps the two holes are those marked below

(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/9431/DAAmIV.jpg)

and two visnaps

(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/3195/COxmoo.png)

(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/5811/Q3A99s.png)

Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 21, 2019, 05:10:07 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
this is a page of Il-2 Shturmovik of Viktor Povinsky.
You can see how the bomb is connected to the wire.

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/images/il2bombbay.jpg)
You can also see images of the open bays full of bomblets.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 22, 2019, 09:25:50 AM
Hi Massimo,
Thanks a lot for the ref photos. They are very helpful. At the moment I'm scratching a PTAB-2 container. As it seems I'll have to guess where the holes to the bomb bay would be. I'll stick to the marked ones I posted in the photo in my previous post. I've found Yandex.ru is a great help for my read-up.😊
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 22, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
a bomblet container? The text says that they were discontinued  on late planes, and the bomblets were loaded directly into the bays from above.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 22, 2019, 04:24:23 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
a bomblet container? The text says that they were discontinued  on late planes, and the bomblets were loaded directly into the bays from above.
Regards
Massimo
Hi Massimo,
You're right as always, truth is I didn't read the text. I'll see what I can do with the container. Wait for a bunch of wip photos to comment on them.
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 22, 2019, 07:51:13 PM
Hi Massimo,

Just a clarification..
A ptab-2 container and a Small bombs cassette (KMB) are the same thing?
Thanks,
Panagiotis


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 23, 2019, 08:20:25 AM
Hi Pamagiotis,
I'm not sure, but looks likely.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 30, 2019, 06:57:57 AM
Hi Massimo,
Here's a photo of the progress so far.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/eCqYvi.jpg)

I've also scratched the VYa-23 cannons and the Shkas machine guns.

(https://imageshack.com/i/pmJ45dk5j) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnQ6XfBRj)

 A question now..Were the ammunition boxes of the VYa-23 cannons the same size and shape on the metallic wings as they were on the wooden ones?

Cheers,

Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 30, 2019, 08:27:28 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
did you scratchbuild the weapons?
About the ammo for 23 mm... I don't remember well, but someone said that the ammo were loaded directly into the bays because there was no longer space for boxes after having added swept to the wing. I am not sure that it was so for the wooden wings though.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on January 30, 2019, 02:06:23 PM
Hi Massimo,
You mean there wasn't a separate box which could be removed from the gun bay. I'm sure there was one in each wing for both the MGs and the cannons on the wooden variants. So let's say the ammo box for the cannon and possibly the MG were fixed on the bays(?)..
Yes, I made the weapons myself and also quite a lot of cartridges for the cannon. I'm thinking of making a couple of cutaway cartridges too.. :)
Cheers,
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 30, 2019, 06:34:06 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
if you are sure about the boxes, probably the thing of direct loading is for the metallic wing variant only, that has its hatch broken into two smaller ones.
Cutaway cartridges? I'll wait to see them.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: learstang on April 13, 2019, 07:16:39 AM
That is some impressive work! I wanted to do something like this on my Hobby Boss 1/32nd scale Il-2, but due to time constraints (I was doing it for an article), I was only able to 'super-detail' the cockpit and engine. The hatches over the 23-mm cannons that were one piece on the straight-winged Il-2s, and the wooden-winged arrows, were in two pieces on the metal-winged arrows.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on April 15, 2019, 08:22:37 PM
Hi,
The first of the two Il-2s (the OOB one) has been painted mostly with Akan paints and awaits its final completement. The profile is one of Massimo's picks and I have not seen it done by other fellow modellers..
Cheers,
Panagiotis.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/6751/4s2bxU.jpg) (https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/8057/vn0yvv.jpg)


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 15, 2019, 09:08:55 PM
Hi Panagiotis,
looks very interesting.  But are you sure to keep the paint so faded and irregular?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on April 15, 2019, 09:21:25 PM
Hi Massimo,
No, after the wash and weathering things  will show much more even.
Patirpi i pasmotrish! ;) (=wait and see)..
Cheers
Panagiotis.


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 16, 2019, 07:22:08 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
are the red stars done by masking and painting?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Il-2 cutaway
Post by: Shugayev on April 16, 2019, 08:51:50 AM
Hi Panagiotis,
are the red stars done by masking and painting?
Regards
Massimo
Hi Massimo,
Yes, Montex masks. They're great.
Cheers,
Panagiotis.