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Title: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 15, 2019, 10:28:53 PM
Hi all,
I've uploaded two pages with profiles and photos of two interesting La-5s.
One is a rare example of an early production La-5 with operative markings:
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5early/240iap.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5early/240iap.htm)
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5early/early24rpr.jpg)


the other one is a standard La-5, but with very interesting markings:
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/la5-57of164iap/la5-57of164iap.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/la5-57of164iap/la5-57of164iap.html)
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/la5-57of164iap/La5-57%20of164iap-lpr.jpg)

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: BLG on March 26, 2019, 06:36:41 PM
Hi Massimo,
Thanks for this research on early La-5. One more to add to my VVS project.
Regards
Bernard


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 26, 2019, 06:48:40 PM
Hi Bernard,
I'm very interested to see your projects becoming real. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Johann on March 27, 2019, 08:49:40 AM
Hi Massimo, La-5 variant. At one time, i made profile on the plane “23” Leutinant Patoka, 240 IAP. With colleagues discussed and corrected. If you allow, a few comments? ..
I marked in orange those places that can be corrected.
Unfortunately, the working version of my vision is motivated, due to the lack of a conclusive version at hand.
(https://i.postimg.cc/kGpyJ0yb/early24rpr.jpg)


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 27, 2019, 09:10:02 AM
Hi,
you are right, the camouflage has to be corrected.
It is visible on this photo too.
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5early/240iap4.jpg)
Seems that the black band has to be fully separed from the wing area by a green one arriving down to the blue area.
I see that some minor corrections are needed on the mid and rear fuselage too.
Could you send an intact version of the photo, please? It is new for me.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 27, 2019, 02:47:38 PM
Hi,
I've done it.
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5early/early24rprm.jpg)
There is some small difference between the plane of your photo and n.24.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Johann on March 28, 2019, 07:24:24 AM
And still, this is purely my personal opinion, but if you look at the "hero's star" and the inscription - it seems to me that the inscription "Baumantsy" has yellow color, and the inscription "To Hero Lukyanov" is mixed yellow and red paint ...

(https://i.postimg.cc/F1mcxdGs/151.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1mcxdGs)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zVGg9s9s/152.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zVGg9s9s)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Th9bNdHj/153.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Th9bNdHj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/crknZDWr/154.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crknZDWr)


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 28, 2019, 07:28:04 AM
Thank you very much!
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Johann on March 28, 2019, 07:38:51 AM
Yes especially not for that)))


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 28, 2019, 09:16:04 AM
Hi,
I've made a quick photo composition.
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5early/total-r.jpg)
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Johann on March 28, 2019, 11:08:27 AM
Awesome. Can i take this collage?


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 28, 2019, 07:11:43 PM
Hi,
do you need an higher resolution version? It is not a perfect work though.
I am wondering if the look can be improved by expanding the photo on the vertical axis. I've the impression that it is somehow slim.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Johann on March 28, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
Massimo, wait. First, let me give these photos without compression ..

1280Х800

(https://i.postimg.cc/VdVJxvqM/151.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VdVJxvqM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Nyh50nPj/152.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Nyh50nPj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4KznH1rb/153.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4KznH1rb)


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 28, 2019, 08:46:13 PM
Hi,
I've extended the image on the vertical axis and I've updated it on the site, but seems that  the forum still shows tho old one. I think that there is some problem with cache memory. I often had to modify the names of the images to see them updated.
The image is blurried, there is no adventage to redo the work with an higher resolution. Anyway I have an higher resolution version if you need, but there is no advantage in it.
If you want to show the photo, please do, just credit it as usual.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 12, 2019, 10:06:32 AM
Hi all,
I've added a profile of a La-5 n.26

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/grey26/grey26.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/grey26/grey26.html)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/grey26/grey26-lpr.jpg)

The profile was obtained from this photo.

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/26grey.jpg)

I don't know the unit or the place; I can guess that it was of the 4 GIAP KBF in winter 1943/44, somewhere not too far from Leningrad.

Regards
Massimo



Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 17, 2019, 08:10:15 PM
Hi,
a new update:
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/piercedheart/piercedheart..html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/piercedheart/piercedheart..html)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/piercedheart/piercedheart-rpr.jpg)

At the end, La-5s are less boring of what I thought.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: barneybolac on April 22, 2019, 04:27:52 AM
Excellent job a rare find as well.


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: learstang on April 22, 2019, 05:59:00 AM
Beautiful job on that very interesting La-5, Massimo!

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 22, 2019, 08:15:34 AM
Thank you. I love this plane.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: learstang on April 22, 2019, 09:31:53 PM
I do to. I already have two built-up 'razorback' La-5s, but I might have to add a third one with this paint scheme.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 23, 2019, 09:26:42 AM
Two kits of Zvezda you mean, or 1/72?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: learstang on April 23, 2019, 05:58:30 PM
Massimo, they were two 1/72nd scale kits (I only do 1/72nd scale now). They are the same kit (same plastic), but one was under the Cooperativa brand, with PE parts, and the other was in an Eastern Express box, without the PE parts. A nice kit, with only the cowling giving me a bit of a problem with the fit. One was done as that famous version with the big shark mouth on it, whilst the other was done as one of the 'Valeriy Chkalov' La-5s. I've developed quite a liking for the razorback La-5s - I might just do another, especially if I do it as this very interesting La-5 you've drawn. Regarding the silver in place of the white for winter camouflage, weren't there some P-39s painted with this?

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 23, 2019, 06:03:21 PM
Hi Jason,
I have one Cooperativa one left half built some years ago. The plastic was badly brittle, but it shouldn't be difficult to restart and complete it.  I have a Zvezda too, one day I'll start to build some 48s.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: learstang on April 23, 2019, 06:10:01 PM
Interesting that you mention about the brittle plastic, Massimo - the plastic on my Cooperativa kit was brittle also. It was done in a brittle brown plastic, the type that MPM used to use (I believe MPM and Cooperativa were related in some way). I don't remember the Eastern Express kit having brittle plastic, and I built that relatively recently - in the past five years or so. The Cooperativa 'shark-mouth' was built over twenty years ago.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Graham Boak on April 23, 2019, 10:10:05 PM
I made the Coopertiva one a long time ago, bought in late 1993 made in 1944.  I think perhaps an early release, but it was in a green plastic and not particularly brittle.


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: BLG on April 25, 2019, 05:37:59 PM
Hi Massimo,
If you continue to add such interesting profiles, I will be obliged to buy new kits  ;)
 For sure, I will make this one and  the "early" Baumancy
La 5 1/72, either Cooperativa/Eastern express or AML are not easy to find.
Best regards
Bernard


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 25, 2019, 08:07:44 PM
Hi Bernard,
I have still some profiles, but not so particularly interesting. All depends on the available photos, and unusually painted La-5s are.... unusual.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: John Thompson on April 25, 2019, 11:24:13 PM

La 5 1/72, either Cooperativa/Eastern express or AML are not easy to find.
Best regards
Bernard


Be patient for a little longer - the new La-5 and La-5F kits from KP are finally supposed to be released late this year.

John


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: learstang on April 26, 2019, 01:23:30 AM

La 5 1/72, either Cooperativa/Eastern express or AML are not easy to find.
Best regards
Bernard


Be patient for a little longer - the new La-5 and La-5F kits from KP are finally supposed to be released late this year.

John

That's nice to hear, John. I've been waiting for those for quite some time. That, and their La-7. Looks like I'll have some more kits to add to my ever-growing set of Lavochkin fighter kits.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 07, 2019, 10:02:33 PM
Hi,
another update.

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/91/91.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/91/91.html)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/91/91lpr.jpg)

This is a transition plane of summer 1943, with the old camo, stars and back, but new engine M-82F and later fonts of the number.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 12, 2019, 07:48:21 PM
Hi,
could anyone translate the brief text on this address, relative to the silver La-5 please?
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_1507266_1538325814_bez-imeni20180930192112.jpg.html (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_1507266_1538325814_bez-imeni20180930192112.jpg.html)
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 13, 2019, 06:03:38 PM
Hi,
I've uploaded a profile of the famous La-5 of Kostylev (he flew it once...) at
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/sharkmouth/sharkmouth..html

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/sharkmouth/sharkmouth15lpr.jpg)

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 16, 2019, 09:02:32 AM
Hi,
a further addition about 159 IAP:
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/18red/18red.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/18red/18red.html)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/18red/18red.jpg)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/18red/10of159iap.jpg)

Note the absence of red stars on the fuselage, and the characteristic fonts of this unit at the time.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: PG monster on May 16, 2019, 01:15:30 PM
Thank you!


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: barneybolac on May 17, 2019, 08:08:18 AM
Hi,
could anyone translate the brief text on this address, relative to the silver La-5 please?
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_1507266_1538325814_bez-imeni20180930192112.jpg.html (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_1507266_1538325814_bez-imeni20180930192112.jpg.html)
Regards
Massimo

Google translation.

https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/af142/barneybolac/10/217b7494-549f-4a60-9d63-fc3ea35770d1-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 17, 2019, 08:30:06 AM
Thank you. I wonder if this text could be related to another plane.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: righidan on May 19, 2019, 10:02:34 PM
Dear Massimo,
   as you suspect the information is for the following airplane:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47093257104_4ab01dac34_b.jpg)
The inscriptions are "За Гальченко!" with a large "З" superimposed to "Горьковскому пожарному", so it a plane donated by firefighters, and with a dedication, an eagle and a couple of stars.
   About the “silver” plane, it comes from M.Yu. Bykov, who says it is in a factory applied gloss white, as was in use in winter 42/43, unit unknown.
   What appears as a white stripe on the rudder is said to be a light effect.
   About the heart, it is presumed yellow / orange, the arrow black, the trimmer either black or minium.
   Dmitry Novikov thinks instead that it is silver, with pale red spinner, star and tail number, with a green heart and black or dark red arrow.
   Well, who knows, but these are really colorful planes!
Regards
Daniele


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 20, 2019, 01:10:01 PM
Hi Daniele,
thank you for the answer. I remembered to have seen something relative to this plane some days ago. If I understood well, they thought that there is an inscription Eskadrilya Valeriy Chkalowon the other side.
They supposed that the iscription Za Galchenko was made with chalk for photo purposes only, isn't it?

About the (supposedly) silver plane, I agree that the apparently white part on the tail was due to reflection only. I considered that the heart could have been green with reference to the German Grunherz, but the photo shows it black, while any green should have been lighter, more or less as the red star.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 20, 2019, 08:24:09 PM
Hi Daniele, hi all,
this link shows the reconstruction of plane 18 made by Kazakov.
Here there is the photo of another plane 2x with the same slogan of firefighters, and a document that suggests that it should have the inscription VCh on the other side.
https://avk-tehnik.livejournal.com/23075.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=GuessWhoBack

The origin of the photo seems to be here:
https://zaika70.livejournal.com/29073.html (https://zaika70.livejournal.com/29073.html)
There is something written on this Galchenko, that, if I understand well, wasn't the famous ace but another pilot kia.

Quote
Devyatkin Nikolai Dmitrievich at La-5 "Gorky Fire" with a dedication "For Galchenko." The inscription seems to be made with chalk or pastel. Galchenko Leonid Romanovich, born in 1922 graduated from Bataysk VSL in 1942 On the front since July 1942. In the regiment since September 1942. Military rank ml. Lieutenant awarded by order of the commander of the Kalinin Front No. 055 / ok from 05/05/1943. He died in a dogfight on 05/30/1943. He was posthumously awarded an OB of the 1st degree . La-5F bn 67

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: righidan on May 20, 2019, 10:16:41 PM
Thank you Massimo!
   A really beautiful plane.
Regards
Daniele


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 21, 2019, 06:18:58 AM
Hi Daniele,
yes, it is nice, I am drawing it according to the interpretation of Kazakov.
A new thing is that the inscription VCh is not necessarily associated to the farmers of Gorki.  Orlov himself (Owl99) declared that this is a new information.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: BLG on May 22, 2019, 08:41:47 PM
Quote from: Massimo Tessitori
Hi, I've uploaded a profile of the famous La-5 of Kostylev (he flew it once...)
Hi Massimo,
A lot of modellers will be disapointed, like me,  to learn that it's a decoration for museum . So,  I will not use it.
Fortunately, you propose a lot of other sketches for La 5.

Best regards


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 22, 2019, 08:46:57 PM
Hi Bernard,
I agree, this subtracts a lot to the interest of this machine.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: learstang on May 25, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Very nice La-5s, Massimo!

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 26, 2019, 11:48:50 AM
Thank you Jason.
I've made a pair of updates:
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/18zagalchenko/18%20zagalchenko.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/18zagalchenko/18%20zagalchenko.html)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/18zagalchenko/chkalov18rpr.jpg)

and

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/wide42/wide42.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/wide42/wide42.html)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/wide42/chkalov42wideBlpr.jpg)

and some marginal updates to the VCh page.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 02, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Some updates about La-5s

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/15of193iap/15of193iap.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/15of193iap/15of193iap.html)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/15of193iap/15of193iap-lpr.jpg)


This one was obtained by increasing the contrast of a photo that seemed to show a plane without numbers:


http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/61/61.html (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/61/61.html)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/61/chkalov61-lpr.jpg)

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: PG monster on June 02, 2019, 10:49:51 AM
Cool. I very interested in 193 iap, where the photos come from?

BTW, 1942 may be a typo?


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 02, 2019, 11:19:57 AM
Hi Vlad,
both photos are shown at pag.14-15 of the Czech monograph La-5 of Milos vestsik, MBI. There is a Russian edition too.
The caption at pag 15 says that the photo is of July 1943, Skorodnoye airfield. Yes, 42 was a typo, I've corrected it, thank you.
The other photo is at pag 14; it doesn't say the unit, but the plane and its markings are identical to n.15.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on July 18, 2019, 07:17:51 AM
Hi all,
new photos of the plane with the pierced heart have emerged:
https://zaika70.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%9B%D0%B0-5 (https://zaika70.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%9B%D0%B0-5)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/piercedheart/piercedheart-rpr.jpg)
the profile will require some correction, particularly on the supposed band on the lower surface, that now looks more as a patch on the side surface.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on July 19, 2019, 11:54:52 AM
Hi,
I've updated the page and the drawing.
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/piercedheart/piercedheart-rprm.jpg)
I've changed a bit the proportions of the heart, modified the small rectangle into a retouch, and made red areas on the tail. Of course I can't be sure that they are red, but they have to be glossy if they change their look in each photo.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: learstang on July 20, 2019, 07:55:10 PM
That's a beautiful La-5, Massimo, very distinctive! Regarding the outline for the tail, being a Soviet aircraft, red's as good a guess as any. On a Russian FaceBook page I saw a profile of an Il-2 that was supposedly at Stalingrad; it was shown with a yellow spinner. I reminded them that was unlikely, as having a yellow spinner, at least in that part of the war, was asking to be shot at by the Soviets. I believe it was Aleksandr Pokryshkin who wrote that when he saw yellow, he fired.

Best Regards,

Jason


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Troy Smith on July 21, 2019, 12:06:57 AM
Hi Massimo

great that more images have turned up,  (I PM Massimo about this a while back)

I'm still inclined to think the '14' is red, i can't see any tonal difference,  and suspect that blue would not stand out enough against the silver, while red would.

I am so happy though that more and more great and unusual images are appearing on Russian sites,  always a treat to to come here and find more new images.

I'm very much with Jason about seeing profiles with yellow markings,  it really does not make sense.
cheers
T


Title: Re: Updates to the La-5 family page
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on July 21, 2019, 06:55:29 AM
Hi Jason and Troy,
yes, it is nice but I still have doubts on it.
Apart for the color of the number, I wondered if the thing appearing on the top of the rudder and stabilizer could have been the shadow of the small tail mast, but the main mast doesn't project any noticeable shadow, so I rejected the idea.

Regards
Massimo