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Hi all,
just to say that I'm not disappeared: I'm working on a new page on I-16 with the help of Bernard and Daniele.
At first, it will have commented scale views of all versions.
In the far future (next year?), I'll make color profiles, presumably with the help of Tapani.
Regards
Massimo

SUPER!!!!!! I have 5 Plastic Model Kits from Polikarpow I-16....... I am happy.....  :D

Hi Holger,
 thank you for your interest. I hope that the work will meet your expectations.
Regards
Massimo

we will follow it with a lot of pleasure!

Great news !

Hi all,
I'm posting the direct link to the page on I-16 Type 29, even if it is not yet linked from the main I-16 page.
Please, have a look and let me know if it can be improved in any way.
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type29/type29.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type29/type29.htm)
In particular, I need some help to identify the units and places where the planes were photographed.
Regards
Massimo

cool! some of these i16 exists at my site (i mean the units known)

Hi all,
I've uploaded two pages on I-16 Type 5:
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type5/type5early.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type5/type5early.htm)

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type5/type5late.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type5/type5late.htm)

Again, they are not yet linked ffrom the main I-16 page.
Please, let me know any suggestion to improve them.

Regards
Massimo

Looks good, Massimo! Your research and hard work are much appreciated. I wish we could have new I-16 types 5 and 10 (and 29) kits in 1/72 scale! The resins from Prop&Jet seem to be stalled, but styrene kits would be preferrable anyway. That doesn't mean I wouldn't buy the P&J versions, though!

John

Hi John,
I agree, a new generation of I-16s would be good. I wonder why Eduard didn't turn into 1/72 its nice Ishaks in 1/48.

Regards
Massimo

typo: Other typical operational I-5s before the war.

"A line including white 50 (type 5) and 96 (type 10) in 1941" - http://ava.org.ru/iap/4gm.htm at my page stated №96 is type 28, am I wrong?

Hi,
thank you for the warning.
N. 96 of the photo below has a pointed spinner, it could be a type 10 or 17. It is not the same 96 of the photo above.
Regards
Massimo

Hi,
looking at your interesting page, I think that some types are misidentified.
Plane 11 is a type 17, the guns are visible both on the photo and the profile.
n.34 is very hidden, but the shape of the blades and the gunsight without rear cushion suggest a type 10. I suppose that 75 is the same type because it is not good to put together planes with different speed.
96 of the last photo could be a type 27 because of the closed right door, apart for this it is indistinguishable from type 28. They are the same planes of a photo above seen from the opposite side, I would put the photos close each other.
Regards
Massimo

I just added one more I-16 regiment - http://ava.org.ru/iap/286.htm
what the types?

Hi,
the plane 22 (first two photos are of the same, I think) is a late Type 24, the ShKAS on the wing is recognizable as the flat-top tank under the wings.

All other ones are Type 29, the shape of the lower fuselage is recognizable. Plane 29 is on doubt, but probably a Type 29 as the other ones.

Excellent photos indeed.

Regards
Massimo

I've uploaded a page on the Type 4 at

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type4/type4.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type4/type4.htm)

I know that it's a type without an interesting operative history, but I've put together all that I was able to collect, including my new line drawings.

I will appreciate any input to improve the page.

Regards
Massimo

Thank you! Hope the photos will usefull for your pages.
Yes there are 2 photos of the plane 22 and the 2 photos of the plane 47 as well.
Also I didn't post few more photos , mostly the front views (the page have enough I-16's spinners already - winter, summer, halfwhite). I can mail it to you, just let me know if you wish.

Hi,
yes, I would be interested to see them.
Thank you
Massimo

Massimo, you removed the messages with the info about I16 types on 2 my pages. If possible, plz put it back. I not used the info yet ;)

Hi,
all messages are still in the forum. You have only to go on the topic and look back.
If you need, I can send a mail to you, but I think that you will find them.
Regards
Massimo

Just found one more I16 photo - http://ava.org.ru/iap/115g.htm.

Hi,
this photo is interesting, it is a late I-16 type 24 with radio mast and auxiliary tanks. Pity that the visual is deformed. Could you send an uncropped version of the image, so I can try to correct the perspective?
Regards
Massimo

Please "Click to enlarge the picture" :)
Yes plz correct it.

Hi, I've done. I've sent the corrected image for your site.
Regards
Massimo

№ 96 probably the same?
https://catalog.shm.ru/entity/OBJECT/2314199?query=%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C&fund=12&index=24

N.96 has visible gun barrels; it is visible on another photo that shows early type landing gear doors, so it is a type 27.
Regards
Massimo

Hi all,
I've uploaded pages:

on UT-2, UTI-2 and UTI-3, the early training twoseaters

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/uti2/uti2.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/uti2/uti2.htm)

on UTI-4, the standard training twoseater

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/uti4/uti4.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/uti4/uti4.htm)

Minor updates were made on the drawings and text relative to Type 4, 5 and 29 already uploaded.

I've noted a small problem when one enters a page after the first time and some drawings had been updated in some way: it could visualize the old version of the drawings, already stored in the cache of his PC.
It is a problem common to all sites where images have been updated.
To be sure to visualize the latest version of the drawings instead of the one stored in the cache of his PC, one has to clean it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-clear-cache-in-windows-10?IR=T (https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-clear-cache-in-windows-10?IR=T)

The pages are not yet linked from the main I-16 page, I'm waiting to have all the pages of all the versions done.

Massimo

Hi all,
here is a new page on I-16 Type 10:

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type10/type10.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type10/type10.htm)

Next one will be the Type 17, a much smaller and simpler work.

Regards
Massimo

Dear friends,
   In this very interesting page from Massimo, there is a short note on the “silver” color that was often applied to other Polikarpov airplanes.
   In the M. Maslov book “The battle "gulls" of Stalin. I-15, I-15bis, I-153” (Боевые «чайки» Сталина. И-15, И-15бис, И-153) there is a very interesting document, that I do not seem to have seen before, on the reason for the use of this color:
“Color options
   In an explanatory note to the revised draft of the I-15 bis, drawn up on February 25, 1937, and written by the Director of the aircraft factory N°1 Sidor, Chief designer Polikarpov and assistant chief designer Tetivkin, it was said: "The coloring of the aircraft will be given great attention. We believe that the I-15bis aircraft is intended to take the fight mainly at altitude, and not on a low-level flight, the color of the aircraft's color should be in harmony with the color of a clear or cloudy sky and masked by it. ...We think it is necessary to paint the aircraft to match the color of a clear blue sky or the color of a cloudy sky, that is, a grayish-silver color. In addition, in some cases, it is necessary to mask the aircraft for the ground, giving a greenish protective color””
   It is interesting that the first Bf 109 in Spain, painted “silbergrau”, had just arrived, so the idea seems to have originated without foreign influence, and these ideas were at the origin of the Summer 1937 decision to paint monocoque aircraft silver.
   But obviously at Zavod 21 they had a lot of green paint available… ;D
Regards
Daniele

Nice work as usual, Massimo! Just one question, though - about halfway down the page there are two images, with the caption "Two photos of a type 10 numbered red 1, captured by Germans during Barbarossa." That aircraft was photographed over and over again - I probably have 10 different pictures of it, scrounged from ebay.de and other sources. In two or three of these, it appears that the inboard end of the aileron goes right up to the curvature at the rear of the wing root. If I'm right, that detail would make it a type 5, wouldn't it? Here are two examples - what do you think?

(https://i.postimg.cc/NMx69Z5L/I-16-early-5.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)(https://i.postimg.cc/qMqFrx52/x11.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

As usual, when you want a clear view of a "Barbarossa victim", the details you're trying to see are obstructed by conquering heroes having a smoke break...

Cheers;
John

Hi John,
you're absolutely right, it is definitely a Type 5 M-25V. I had already photos of this on the page of Type 5, but I forgot to delete these on the page of 10. Thank you for the warning.

Hi Daniele,
the report is interesting. You are right, the I-16 was one of the very few types that didn't loose their green uppersurfaces in 1939, differently from the last I-15bis, the most part of I-153s and many other types that were grey or silver in that year. Who knows why...

Regards
Massimo

Hi, two new pages.

Type 17:

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type17/type17.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type17/type17.htm)

Type 18:

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type18/type18.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type18/type18.htm)

Besides I've made minor modifications on the already uploaded pages and their drawings.

Regards
Massimo

Hi all,
I've added pages on Type 27 and 28, very similar.

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type27/type27.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type27/type27.htm)

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type28/type28.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type28/type28.htm)

Please let me know any suggestion on them.

Regards
Massimo

http://www.sssrvvs.ru/iap/33.htm

Some I-16 and UTI added. What types?

Hi,
the first plane is a Type 5 with the windshield of an UTI-4. All other I-16s are Type 5.
The UTI-4 is probably with M-25V.
Regards
Massimo

Hi all,
the page on Type 24 is ready and uploaded.
Besides, I've done a major overhauling of the page on I-16.
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/frontpage-t.jpg)
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/i16.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/i16.htm)

The gallery of built models has its own index, as the versions. I've still to add some minor version as the Type 12 and the UTI-4b and the prototypes TsKB-12.
I've updated the page on links to sites on I-16; if someone has suggestions for further links to add, they are welcome. I've deleted some dead links.
Some days I'll make a page of technical description and details.
For color profiles, I think that we have to wait for some more time.
Probably I'll reduce the page on the painting of the I-16, it is obsolete now because the most part of its contents are in the photo galleries divided into types.

Regards
Massimo

A huge piece of work, and a really excellent reference source! Thank you, Massimo!

I hope you're staying safe and avoiding the coronavirus!

John

Hi John,
yes, I'm nearly closed at home, but my wife is at work.
I've a lot of time to make this work, if all goes well.
How are things there?
Regards
Massimo

Hi Massimo! Yes, I guessed that you might be stuck at home with lots of time to update the I-16 pages - even bad things can lead to good results! Here in Canada (in the province of Ontario) the provincial government just announced emergency measures yesterday, so now, as well as schools, all restaurants, bars, movie theatres, and so on are closed except for take-out food. Grocery stores and pharmacies remain open. Hospitals and doctors' offices are cancelling all non-emergency appointments. Oops - I was just told that the Walmart department store in Midland, Ont. (about an hour north of here) has closed for an undetermined length of time because an employee tested positive for COVID-19... These are strange times! Keep safe and healthy, and the same to your wife if she's gone out to work!

John

Massimo! Hold on and thank you for your job! We need you!

Here in Russia is still normal life except the big meeting prohibited and the medics alarmed. Crossborder trips at least not recommnded.

Some comments:


Type 28 (or 27?) of the 168 IAP of the PVO, probably in spring 1942. - 168 IAP was not PVO. It was linear Red amy VVS regiment. Are you sure it's 168 iap?

   
I-16 type 29 late of 7 IAP, Leningrad front 1941. - You think it is not Haritonov's plane of 158 iap?


http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type29/29f4.jpg - 123 IAP.


to be continued :)

Hi,
thank you very much. The same for you and your site.
I've updated the main page of the site and, more interesting, I've remade the page on the evolution of painting of I-16 at
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/i16painting/I16painting-short.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/i16painting/I16painting-short.htm)

About covid, it's good to take it as an hazardous thing since before it starts. I've heard and read many silly comments both in Italy and in UK in the recent weeks, and there is still people that acts as it is nothing more than a flu. It will arrive one week before people discovers it, so please start to protect yourself since now.
Regards
Massimo

Hi Vlad,
the attribution of the angular camouflaged I-16 is from M-Hobby 9/2010, article of Timin:
И-16 из состава 178-го ИАП 6-го ИАК ПВО. Са-
молеты окрашены в черно-зеленый камуфляж
и несут звезды в четырех позициях.

Is my translation good?

About the white camouflaged plane: I've still to check where I found that attribution, a lot of things on Type 29 have emerged in the last two months and I have to improve the page.
But, have you reasons to think that the plane was the same n.13 of the famous photo? The reconstructions show it with a white spinner, even if it is not fully sure, another plane of the regiment had a darker spinner and probably depended on the squadron or other factors. Where is it written that the winter camouflaged plane was of Haritonov of 158 IAP?

Regards
Massimo

Great addition, a pleasure to view and read.
Keep up with the good work and stay safe (the rest of you, too)!

Thank you, the same for you.
Regards
Massimo

Hi,
I've updated the page on Type 29, both photos, drawings and text.

I think that the exhaust pipes of the drawings have still to be improved, I'll do it in future.

Regards
Massimo

So you just mistyped 168 :)
"Type 28 (or 27?) of the 168 IAP of the PVO, probably in spring 1942."

Hi,
I see, I've corrected it. Thank you for the warning.
Regards
Massimo

Hi all,
I've made a serie of pages on thechnical details of the I-16
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/details/details.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/details/details.htm)
and linked it from the I-16 page
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/i16.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/i16.htm).

Something has still to be done; in particular, I am thinking how to make a good page on the radios, that involve both internal equipments. cockpit interface and external aerials.
Is there anyone with clear ideas on Soviet radio devices to help to make some order?

Regards
Massimo

Hi,
I'm working again on the I-16 page. I've made some marginal corrections on drawings and improved the page on the engine and on weapons. now I'm working on a small page with drawings of the Type 12.
I hope to start with some profile colors before the end of the year.
Regards
Massimo

I'm looking forward for it!

Me too!
And thank you for your job!

Thank you, Massimo - your work is very much appreciated! I've been referring to your I-16 pages almost every day while I'm working on an I-16 type 5 conversion from the Amodel UTI-4.

John

Hi all',
I've uploaded the page on the I-16 Type 12 at
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type12/type12.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type12/type12.htm)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type12/type12-top.jpg)
Thanks for the help to Daniele and Bernard, and to the excellent articles of Andrey Averin on M-Hobby.

Regards
Massimo

Hi all,
I'm working for color templates of I-16s. Here are three views of an early Type 10. 

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type10/type10-ctopr.jpg)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type10/type10early-crightr.jpg)

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type10/type10early-cleftr.jpg)

Im working to make color drawings of all the versions to replace the line drawings, then I'll start to use them for a collection of color profiles.

I've done Type 10, 18, 24, 24P, 24R till now.  Gun versions will follow soon.

Regards
Massimo

COOL :)

a  dozen of new photos
http://ava.org.ru/iap/10gm.htm
http://ava.org.ru/iap/4gm.htm

Hi,
excellent work. I've seen some I-16s of interest. Part of plane 75 (silver winter finish) appears from both sides and seems a type 18.
(http://ava.org.ru/iap/4gm/i16_34_75.jpg)

(http://ava.org.ru/iap/4gm/i-16_t24_21_tsokolaev.jpg)
Ithink that there is some uncropped version of the first photo where one can see more of plane 75.
Regards
Massimo

Looking again at n.75, I think to see the scissor at the base of the landing gear leg and a leather protection to the edge of the cockpit, this suggests a Type 24, as the plane with the emblem.
Plane 34 seems a Type 10 for the thinner shape of its prop blade and the lack of a small cushion on the collimator.

There are 2 different No 34, whitch one you mean?

The plane of the photo above.

Hi,
I'm continung the work on the templates of many types of I-16.
Just to show something, this is the blank template of late Type 5.
Regards
Massimo


(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type5/type5pak1-ctopr.jpg)
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type5/type5pak1-cdownr.jpg)
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type5/type5pak1-crightr.jpg)
(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type5/type5pak1-cleftr.jpg)

Looks good - you're doing a great job!

John

Thank you John. In the next future, I'll replace all the line drawings on the I-16 page with color drawings that are also updated for more accuracy.
Regards
Massimo

That looks good indeed, Massimo! I need to look at your I-16 section again as it might give me some ideas about how to do my 1/32nd scale ICM I-16.

Best Regards,

Jason

I've made an update work on the page on I-16 types. All the previous line drawings have been replaced with color drawings representing a typical example of the type without codes or individual characteristics.
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/i16types.htm (http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/i16types.htm)
For color profiles, I'll start to do this work massively in the  future, probably on next fall.
Before this, I have to draw some layers as propellers without spinner, landing gears without doors , skis, tanks and similar things.

Now there is still a page on DC-3/C-47/Li-2 with drawings of Tapani that is waiting to be completed and updated on the next future.

Regards
Massimo

Wow - that looks great, Massimo! I've been looking at the I-16 pages a lot recently - I've been doing several I-16s by converting the Amodel UTI-4, believe it or not. Thank you very much for all your hard work - the results are amazing. You should be proud that this is the number one non-Russian site for VVS information; in fact, it might be number one, worldwide!

John

Thank you John. Very nice of you.
Regards
Massimo

Massimo, I too appreciate all the fine research and work you've done on VVS aeroplanes! I often use this site as a resource both for my models and my books (in my Soviet GPW books, I always list it as an online resource).

Best Regards,

Jason

Incredible work thus far on the I-16s Massimo! Excellent research. Beautiful art. What a great resource! Thanks for all your work and looking forward to seeing more:)

Hi Anton,
thank you for your kind words. I had excellent help to make this. I hope to restart it in January or February, now I have the templates and can easily draw some color profiles. The layers of propellers and landing gears without covers are still missing, that will be a work to do.
For now, I've uploaded all the pages on A-20 but in provisional form, many corrections will be necessary before calling them ready.

That sounds great Massimo! looking forward to seeing you populate the site with I-16 profiles, and to have new threads discussing some of the I-16 paint schemes in this forum:) In the Meantime, HAPPY NEW YEAR! it's already the 1st of Jan for me (I am in Australia) !:)
(https://scontent.fmel7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/269917242_10158092832681174_226117079120484756_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=1Xhi3MdMn_0AX-eTwWE&_nc_oc=AQnCCvu4Fic7ZAPozPpzSAhfW_H4O9vq8z2NHVRRcxycGiHstxFh0sMWY-M8BvGQe7g&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel7-1.fna&oh=00_AT-mjdhsMtW9SW5wUvlRr8D4EJqtQv1hQ_1pBkNmzu8gmg&oe=61D386FB)

Hi Anton, happy new year!
You've made a delightful profile. The gold looks really metallic. Maybe some decal producer could make a sheet for this most nice one.
Massimo