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Great Patriotic War Aviation => Lend-lease planes => Topic started by: 4bogreen on June 18, 2020, 04:24:27 PM



Title: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 18, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
Hi guys,

its been a while. But were back. I want to build the P-39D2 of captain Vadim Ivanovich Fadeev of the 16GFAR april 1943. Although not the most colorful P-39, i am very attracted by its simpleness. Fadeev was also a very populair figure with its fellow pilots, having also a beard and called ''Barada"', what means ''Beard''.  My ''weapons of choice'' to build this plane are the following....

Eduard 1/48 Ariacobra P-400 kitno. 8471
Aires 1/48 P-400 Airacobra cockpit set itemno. 4435 (its for the hasegawa, but with some TLC i think i can make it fit)
Quickboost 1/48 P-39N/Q Airacobra engine (its only the sideview, so i think i can get away with the fact its a N/Q type)
Eduard brassin 1/48 P-39 wheels early itemno. 648202
Eduard P-39D/P-400 Airacobra PE set itemno. 49234
SBS P-39 Airacobra propeller set itemno. 48031
AML  Decals Soviet aces in kobras itemno. 48033

I have begon to make the cockpit fit, detailed the wheelbays, thining the wings, cut out the engine acces hatch. I begin now to run in to some things that require assembly and pre-painting before we can go any further. Photo's will follow  :D

Regards,

Remco 


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 18, 2020, 05:57:47 PM
....its been a while to upload photo's, so lets see if this link works....



(https://i.postimg.cc/gnYVfMR1/IMG-20200611-095957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnYVfMR1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XX6cgNvj/IMG-20200611-095422.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XX6cgNvj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gnYVfMR1/IMG-20200611-095957.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnYVfMR1)

....preview says oke!


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 18, 2020, 05:59:36 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/CnJSX60F/IMG-20200611-095453.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CnJSX60F)

A bit rusty in the copy paste corner.....


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 19, 2020, 08:55:19 PM
Hi Remco,
it looks a good start.
I'll compare the photo of your kit on work to my Hasegawa still in long waiting for building.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 19, 2020, 10:55:18 PM
Hi Massimo,

Its a bigger job than i had anticipeted. Lots of sanding, dry fitting, scratchbuilding...... But it a cool looking plane. The Hasegawa kit is also as good as the Eduard kit. I have four Eduard P-39 kits and a AMG P-63C kit. Iike the P-39 serie a lot


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 20, 2020, 06:23:25 AM
Hi Remco,
the P-63 is a relatively rare bird, at least in modelling. How is the kit?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 20, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
The P-63 is indeed a rare bird in the modeling scene. Its actually the Dora Wings kit, but militairized. You can compare it with some limited production kits. Like Modelsvit or Mars models. Quality wise its oke, but some bits are a little clunky. Some resin parts (radio), masking set and a little PE is pressent also.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HLHkccdB/unnamed-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 66misos on June 20, 2020, 12:04:37 PM
Hi,
regarding P-63 1/48 AMG (sounds like performace divizion from Mercedes ;-)) here at Czech modelforum https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=64427&start=30 (https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=64427&start=30) is one build in progress. I know language does not help very much to you but photos are selfexplanatory.

Seems that excepts dimensions and fitting "challenges" the most visible error is the shape of the fuselage where it connect to cockpit canopy - in reality it is quite flat area:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1601566)

however this part of the kit is too baggy, it looks like let's say from Thunderbolt.
But yes, in overall shapes it looks like Kingcobra.


Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 20, 2020, 02:47:01 PM
Hi Remco,
this look a good building report, but it is still largely uncomplete. It's a think to watch if interested into this type.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 20, 2020, 05:04:48 PM
Haha, thanks for the support guys! But first we have to build the P-39, so i can see what to expect. Any help on cockpit colors or colors in general is highly appreciated!


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 20, 2020, 07:33:15 PM
Hi Remco,
I think that walkarounds of the P-39 are easily available. Have you found all the photos you need?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 66misos on June 21, 2020, 10:51:37 AM
Hi,
so let's come back to Fadeev's Cobra.
I know only this photo, showing nothing more than board number 37, dated to April 1943:
(https://e-libra.ru/files/books/2019/02/22/402920/pic_89.jpg)

Neither prop spinner nor tail is visible, so there are different interpretation of the appearance of this aircraft:

(http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/u/fadeev2.jpg)

(http://xn--80aafy5bs.xn--p1ai/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/R-39D-2-VVS-SSSR.-Risunok..jpg)

(http://www.airwar.ru/history/aces/ace2ww/pilots/foto/fadeev1.jpg)

Which one is your favorite?
regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 21, 2020, 11:06:04 AM
Hi,
am I wrong, or the position of the red star on the photo seems very low?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 66misos on June 21, 2020, 11:47:23 AM
Hi Massimo,
I enlarged that photo and added contrast etc. and color lines.
  1. Blue line is a star of standard size and position.
  2. Red line is smaller star and in lower position, and that dark line in panel line.

(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1602030)

I would say it is standard star and the rest is a matter of shadows, reflections and quality of the photo.
regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Graham Boak on June 22, 2020, 07:31:09 PM
I'd go with the middle one for the Olive Drab, the others appear too green.


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 66misos on June 22, 2020, 09:55:02 PM
Sorry I was not clear what I meant - spinner red or OD, tail cap - red or no cap, blue or green circle under the red star, red stars on upperwings or no?


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 23, 2020, 09:52:07 AM
Thanks for the color advice! Colibri decals has also very intresting looks on the aircraft

(https://i.postimg.cc/0bXrvMC0/1248292-33840-44-720.png) (https://postimg.cc/0bXrvMC0)


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 66misos on June 23, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
Hi,
That is why I was asking. The most boring camo is far the most probable. I communicated with I. Zlobyn, author/owner of Colibry Decals, several years ago when we discussed Pokryshkin's Cobras. May be this could interest you https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lendlease/p-39/misos/prof41-38520.htm (https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lendlease/p-39/misos/prof41-38520.htm)

Fadeev's Cobra should be very similar to Pokryshkin's "D" Cobra, check their serial numbers on the tail:
(https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lendlease/p-39/misos/pokryshkin130bprof.jpg)



Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 23, 2020, 04:49:37 PM
Hi,
(https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lendlease/p-39/misos/73.jpg)
plane n.40 seems to have a red spinner, comparing its shade to that of the star on the fuselage.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 66misos on June 23, 2020, 09:46:15 PM
Hi,
Yes, white 40 (138416) has white prop spinner, but it is from 100 giap, not from 16 giap.
Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 23, 2020, 09:52:22 PM
Hi Misos, on this photo  red,  yellow and  white appear very  similar.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 23, 2020, 10:08:13 PM
It seems like the blue discs are overpainted(sprayed) with US olive drab and neutral grey. Not AMT green and blue....


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 66misos on June 24, 2020, 02:15:27 PM
You could probably find some useful info also at https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lendlease/p-39/misos/general.html (https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lendlease/p-39/misos/general.html)


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 25, 2020, 12:21:59 PM
Thanks Misos! The link aswers my questions and beyond.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tsM11d5/IMG-20200625-121758.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Glued the exhausts back on the engine, drilled holes in the frame and build a new engine cover. The resin cover was 1.2mm too small.....


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 66misos on June 25, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
Hi,
for your inspiration - here https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=81364&hilit=P+39+aero13 (https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=81364&hilit=P+39+aero13) one my friend built P-39 Airacobra 1/32 from Special Hobby. Language will not help you but there is a lot of pictures showing all corections he made. You can decide whether you will apply those corrections also to your 1/48 Cobra from Eduard.

For instance - exhaust pipes should be in the middle of the engine cover:
(https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=925603)

Seems your exhaust pipes are in the upper half of the cover.

Regards,
   66misos


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 25, 2020, 04:30:58 PM
Yes you are right Misos. The engine is not fixed to the body. But for cosmetic aperance, i positioned the engine on the body  ;)


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 25, 2020, 04:58:41 PM
Hi,
be careful, if you lower the position of the exhaust slots, you have to check all the panels around, including the lower edge of the door.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on June 26, 2020, 07:18:46 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/rzXnT33F/IMG-20200626-191442.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/z3rs7yJj/IMG-20200626-191453.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z3rs7yJj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jt592R0W/IMG-20200626-191514.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jt592R0W)

The wheelbays are done. Pipes and cables wil be in, when the basecolor is sprayed on....


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 26, 2020, 10:35:50 PM
Well done, as usual.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on July 03, 2020, 07:44:48 PM
Fase one of the painting is ready. Wheelbays in interior yellow and dark green (Bell green?)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1fn0Hhr0/IMG-20200703-192845.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fn0Hhr0)

(https://i.postimg.cc/5jkqLNLN/IMG-20200703-192944.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5jkqLNLN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mhryPFc5/IMG-20200703-193021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mhryPFc5)


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on September 06, 2020, 10:19:37 PM
It was a bit of a chore, fitting the resin Hasegawa cockpit in the Eduard P-39. The motor/radioshelf is scratchbuild....

(https://i.postimg.cc/TyRH7ygd/IMG-20200906-190944.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyRH7ygd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7Cmtpxng/IMG-20200906-190939.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7Cmtpxng)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G8f7mqNt/IMG-20200906-185745.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8f7mqNt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ftyqs681/IMG-20200906-185729.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ftyqs681)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jnJ8wy0X/IMG-20200906-185718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jnJ8wy0X)

It was a lot of dry fitting and sanding. I think it wil look good once painted. Some wires are missing, i wil put them in later.

Regards,

Remco




Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 09, 2020, 08:57:44 AM
Hi Remco,
looks excellent so far. I've started some kits in 1/48 in recent time, possibly the P-39 Hasegawa will be built on next years.
Have you tested the Vallejo primer, by the way?
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: 4bogreen on September 12, 2020, 11:44:31 AM
Hi Massimo,

The Hasegawa P-39 are also very good kits. Vallejo primer is oke, but you have to degrease and sand it with a very fine grain. Use the Mecha primer for better athesive results. My personal favorite primer still remains the Citadel chaos black primer. Never had any problems with it. The best to use. Especialy with PE and resin.


Title: Re: Eduard 1/48 P-39D2 ''Fadeev aircraft''
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 12, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
Hi Remco,
thank you for your soggestions.
Degrease and sand... the plastic before the primer, you mean?
Mecha or Citadel, good to know. Valleyo (the small bottles of acril-poliuretanic one) is badly unadequate at least on metallic parts.
Regards
Massimo