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Modeling Soviet Warplanes => Colors, schemes, & research => Topic started by: M_Bykov on November 05, 2005, 02:06:54 PM



Title: The unusial thing :)
Post by: M_Bykov on November 05, 2005, 02:06:54 PM
Here you are the half of victory star as marking of a shared kill - a usual on the Western allies planes but very rare (if not unique) on the Soviet fighters? :o :

(http://vif2ne.ru/nvi/forum/files/Mib/polovina.jpg)


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 05, 2005, 10:25:34 PM
Interesting! :o
Thanks for sharing the image.
Do you know if it is a LaGG-3 or La-5?
I see that some stars look white and red, while other ones look as white. Has this any meaning, in your opinion?
Massimo :)


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: M_Bykov on November 06, 2005, 08:47:19 AM
Interesting! :o
Thanks for sharing the image.
Do you know if it is a LaGG-3 or La-5?
I see that some stars look white and red, while other ones look as white. Has this any meaning, in your opinion?
Massimo :)

It's LaGG-3.

Stars are all the same, that's impression because of photo poor quality (note the lighter stain in the rifght part of image).

I have the photo of the whole plane, but can't show it here, sorry, because it's not my privacy. Maybe later...


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 06, 2005, 09:26:35 AM
I see. You are drawing a profile, isn't it? It will be interesting. Please let me know when it will be published. :)
Massimo


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: M_Bykov on November 06, 2005, 11:46:37 AM
10 completely new profiles of Soviet fighters, (and a lot of new photos of course  :)) including this LaGG-3 from 564 IAP, Rubtsov's MiG-3 from 12 GIAP, Sorkin's Airacobra from 28 IAP ect, will be published in 3rd part of D.Khazanov's book 'Unknown battle in the skies of Moscow', on which I'm working right now. 8) Don't know exactly when it will be released but hoping as soon as possible.


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 07, 2005, 12:20:19 AM
Very interesting!  :o
Those books were a good sorce for new photos. I collected 3 supposed photos of Rubtsov (strangely different between them) and I suspect that n.12 was his plane, but I am not sure. Could you let me know at least this, so, if it's wrong, I can remove the note, please? ???
Massimo


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: Audrius on November 07, 2005, 07:27:40 AM
Thanks for shearing the picture! Very interesting and unique example.
And great news about the upcoming new book by Hazanov. Do you know which period it will cover or specific topic?

BR Audrius


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: M_Bykov on November 07, 2005, 08:49:39 AM
Do you know which period it will cover or specific topic?

BR Audrius

Main subject - the Air Defence of Moscow area in 1942-43, but not only, of course  :D.

2Massimo: Rubtsov undoubtedly had used several MiGs and Yaks /but latters mainly in 434 IAP/. This one has double number 73/5 on the tail.


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 09, 2005, 08:04:32 AM
This is interesting. I have never seen an image with these numbers. :o
Where can I find some biographic notes on this pilot, please? On this book, I imagine. Do you know other available sources, please?
Massimo


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: M_Bykov on November 09, 2005, 08:18:55 AM
Where can I find some biographic notes on this pilot, please? On this book, I imagine. Do you know other available sources, please?
Massimo

What do You want to know about Rubtsov? I can help  ;)...


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 09, 2005, 08:32:32 AM
It would be great.  :)
Well, in this page http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/personnel.html I collected three supposed images of Rubtzov, but they look all showing different men to my eyes. :o  Do you know which one is good?
Besides, could you check the notes on him, and maybe suggest something as when he died etc? I didn't know that he passed to another unit after 12 GIAP. :-[
Massimo


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: M_Bykov on November 09, 2005, 09:14:55 AM

Besides, could you check the notes on him, and maybe suggest something as when he died etc? I didn't know that he passed to another unit after 12 GIAP. :-[
Massimo


Rubtsov is undoubtedly on both top photos.

It's not much known about him, sorry  :-[

He was transferred from 12 GIAP to famous 434 IAP in spring (possibly in April) 1942. In summer 1942 he fought in Stalingrad area flying Yak-1s. The last kill Rubtsov had scored in 434 IAP took place on 26.07.42. But his fate after that is still unclear for me. In 434 IAP loss list the name of Rubtsov is not included. But he wasn't in 434 IAP already during autumn combat tour. So it looks like he was transferred somewhere in July/Septenber 1942 'rest' period.

Rubtsov's final combat score in both 12 GIAP and 434 IAP is 9 + 4, of which 4 personal kills he scored in 434 IAP flying Yak-1s.


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 09, 2005, 10:09:33 PM
Thanks. :)
So, it's not known where and when he died. His name is not even mentioned on Stalin's falcons of Polak.
I thought to have read that he died in 1941, but I wasn't able to find where, and now I see that it was my error. :-[
9+4 means 9 individual and 4 shared victories?
Massimo


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: M_Bykov on November 09, 2005, 10:45:00 PM
Thanks. :)
So, it's not known where and when he died. His name is not even mentioned on Stalin's falcons of Polak.
I thought to have read that he died in 1941, but I wasn't able to find where, and now I see that it was my error. :-[
9+4 means 9 individual and 4 shared victories?
Massimo


In 'Stalin's falcons' about 70% of Soviet Aces names' are not mentioned  >:(.

Yes, 9+4 means 9 individual and 4 shared victories. That's standard Soviet system to record combat succeses of fighter pilot.


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 11, 2005, 12:53:47 AM
What books would you suggest on Soviet aces?
Massimo :)


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: M_Bykov on November 11, 2005, 06:09:49 PM
What books would you suggest on Soviet aces?
Massimo :)

None yet. >:(  But as soon as possible...  ;) ;D 8)


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 11, 2005, 09:30:33 PM
What  the title will be? :)
Massimo


Title: Re: The unusial thing :)
Post by: M_Bykov on November 12, 2005, 09:44:22 AM
It's the last thing we will think about! ;D