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Great Patriotic War Aviation => MiGs => Topic started by: steph40 on May 21, 2008, 09:02:19 PM



Title: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: steph40 on May 21, 2008, 09:02:19 PM
Hello,

I recently bought the 1/48 Alanger "Ace A. Pokrishkin Mig-3" 48203. Regarding this aircraft, "white 67", apparently flown during summer 1942, I would like to know if the AMT4/6/7 camo scheme done by Alanger is really the good ? I saw on Internet lots of camo schemes about this aircraft? But what?s the most probable camo scheme ?
Anyone to help me please ?

Thanks and regards
St?phane


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: John Thompson on May 21, 2008, 10:40:56 PM
Again, as I posted on the hobbyvista forum:
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/white67.html

John


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 22, 2008, 10:56:39 AM
Now I see that the link to the photo is broken. I'll repair it soon.
Massimo


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: John Thompson on May 22, 2008, 01:56:03 PM
 :) Thanks, Massimo - I thought it was just my computer!

John


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 22, 2008, 09:25:44 PM
Hi, :)
it is fixed now.
Massimo


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: steph40 on May 22, 2008, 11:33:08 PM
Hello,

Like on "Hobbyvista", I'd saw this profile but I wasn't sure that it was the A. Pokryshkin'aircraft (cause the period and the squadron... ???).
thank you for your help  :)
St?ph


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: JP on May 23, 2008, 12:45:37 AM
Ah, Leningrad.  That large building under the star on his fuselage is now the Naval Museum, close to the strelki.  Good times . . .


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 23, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
Hi, :)

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Like on "Hobbyvista", I'd saw this profile but I wasn't sure that it was the A. Pokryshkin'aircraft (cause the period and the squadron... ).
Hi Steph,
It is not his plane, by sure. Who wrote this?


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Ah, Leningrad.  That large building under the star on his fuselage is now the Naval Museum, close to the strelki.  Good times . . . 

Hi John,
It looks a beautiful city, isn't it?

I am looking at the second plane on the photo. Do you see any number on its side?

Massimo


 


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: John Thompson on May 23, 2008, 08:26:48 PM
Hi Massimo!  :) What Steph means is that the Alanger kit box or instructions says that it's Pokryshkin's aircraft. I checked the box art at Hannants or Modelimex, and saw that, regardless of what Alanger says, the aircraft in the box art is identical to the profile on your web page - spinner colour, number, shape, colour, and location of numerals - all identical. That was why I posted the link to your "White 67" page.

John


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 24, 2008, 01:21:15 PM
Hi John, :)
ICM made an unaccurate work with some "aces" boxes and combinations of kits with inappropriate decal sheets, just to sell some more kits.
Massimo


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Dark Green Man on May 25, 2008, 07:16:29 AM
ICM made an inaccurate work with some "aces" boxes and combinations of kits with inappropriate decal sheets, just to sell some more kits.

they certainly did this with Stepanenko's machines.
the Yak-9T comes with a nice set of decals for his red 04 machine and a set for his white 17 machine also.
there is currently a debate going to determine if this is a Yak-7b or Yak-9D , either way it does not match the kit in that box.
(they would have to sell it with the Yak-7DI kit to be even marginally close)
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Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 25, 2008, 08:23:33 AM
The Yak-9T with North Korean markings is another ugly example of arrangement. It is sold with a Tu-2 in the same box.
Massimo


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Dark Green Man on May 25, 2008, 09:03:01 AM
The Yak-9T with North Korean markings is another ugly example of arrangement. It is sold with a Tu-2 in the same box.
Oh Yeah ! how could I have forgotten that?
(smart modelers will substitute the Yak-9P kit by Amodel here)
I will admit to having very little information on the Tu-2 in the Korean War but I was able to find photographic confirmation of one with 3-bladed propellers.
the 4-bladed version appears to be more common.
also this 3-bladed version had the single large window in the aft fuselage,not the 3 small windows the kit depicts so if you wish to model a Korean War Tu-2 you may want to change that.
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Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 25, 2008, 12:07:03 PM
Hi,
the Tu-2 could be a good subject for a web page.
Massimo


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: steph40 on May 25, 2008, 11:30:13 PM
Hello,

Hi Massimo!? :) What Steph means is that the Alanger kit box or instructions says that it's Pokryshkin's aircraft. I checked the box art at Hannants or Modelimex, and saw that, regardless of what Alanger says, the aircraft in the box art is identical to the profile on your web page - spinner colour, number, shape, colour, and location of numerals - all identical. That was why I posted the link to your "White 67" page.

John

Yes John, it's exactly what I meant (Thank you John? :) sorry for my poor English langauge... :-[)
Yes, Massimo, I think ICM made some unaccurate works with some "aces" boxes but it's very probable A. Pokryshkin flown a Mig-3 "White 67" during Summer 1942 : "MiG-3 aircraft were "white 5", "white 67", "4", and "7" and also "01" [likely the winter-scheme aircraft behind him in a photo](perhaps not in this order). The likliest order is "7", "4", "01" (winter 1941-February 1942), "white 5" (shows "GVARDIYA" on the intakes - likely dates to when the unit was awarded this designation), and finally "67"" from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Ivanovich_Pokryshkin.
I would like to know what is the most probable camo-scheme for this "white 67": I saw a AII Brown/AII dark Green (or AMT4) profile on Osprey 15 "Soviet Aces of WW2" => represented here http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/457/1/10/32_b1 ... What do you think about it ?

Still thanks for your help, regards
St?ph


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: John Thompson on May 26, 2008, 01:06:40 AM
Steph, you absolutely do not have to apologize! My comment was not worded very well - it was quite clear what information you were looking for - I was trying to clear up some possible confusion which I caused, not you! My turn to be:  :-[

Cheers!  ;)

John


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Dark Green Man on May 26, 2008, 06:50:55 AM
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Modeling/MiG/MiG-3/ClassicAirframes/FullBuild/Vill/index.php


Title: Re: Mig-3 "White 67"
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 26, 2008, 08:29:34 PM
Hi Steph, :)

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Yes, Massimo, I think ICM made some unaccurate works with some "aces" boxes but it's very probable A. Pokryshkin flown a Mig-3 "White 67" during Summer 1942 : "MiG-3 aircraft were "white 5", "white 67", "4", and "7" and also "01" [likely the winter-scheme aircraft behind him in a photo](perhaps not in this order). The likliest order is "7", "4", "01" (winter 1941-February 1942), "white 5" (shows "GVARDIYA" on the intakes - likely dates to when the unit was awarded this designation), and finally "67"" from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Ivanovich_Pokryshkin.

Some yeats ago, I made some researches with the help of two friends that read versions of Poktryshkin's memories, one in German, the other one in Russian. They both said that there was not any indication on numbers and painting of his own plane. There, at least.
Then I looked for all the available images of MiG-3, and all the available images of Pokryshkin.
I reached the conclusion that there are no images to ever attempt to trace a profile.
I've found only one image of him in front of a winter-finished MiG, whose number was not readable. Besides, I read of a photo of a green plane (early 1941 style) with a 7 on its tail.

Apart for this, I would be quite happy if someone finds credible informations or images on the planes flown by this pilot.


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http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Modeling/MiG/MiG-3/ClassicAirframes/FullBuild/Vill/index.php


Very nice models. But I would like to know the sources of that "research".

Massimo



About plane n.5, the one with the writing Gvardiya, the profile was drawn at least twenty years ago, when few photos of MiG-3 were available. In last 15 years, a lot of new images of Soviet planes were discovered and published, but none of that plane. Is it likely? Besides, the unit had already left MiG-3s when they became Guards in spring 1942, and what is the meaning of 3 red stars? 3 HSU medals? But he was made HSU much later. At the end, tje position of the number, behind the red star, is fully unusual for MiG-3s. At the end, I think that it's a fantasy profile.

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I would like to know what is the most probable camo-scheme for this "white 67": I saw a AII Brown/AII dark Green (or AMT4) profile on Osprey 15 "Soviet Aces of WW2" => represented here http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/457/1/10/32_b1 ... What do you think about it ?

I think that it's a unaccurate drawing of the very same 67 of the photo. How many MiG-3s with n.67 and fully white spinner are documented on photos?