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Title: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: marluc on September 06, 2009, 05:38:55 PM
Hello everybody:

The nose colour of La-5FN "white 52" 2GIAP,red or yellow?
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z27/marluc_foto/VVS/La-5FN.jpg)

Thanks in advance,greetings.

Martin


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: John Thompson on September 06, 2009, 08:32:04 PM
Hi Martin! Good luck on that one; I took a quick look at several references and got just as many different answers:
Wings Palette first of three profiles - yellow cowling front, dark green spinner (but the overall colours on this profile are dark green and brown!)
Wings Palette second profile - red cowling front, yellow spinner
Wings Palette third profile - yellow cowling front, AMT-12 (?) spinner
Instructions from Avalon decal sheet 7202 - yellow cowling front, yellow spinner
Erik Pilawskii's "Lavochkin Piston-Engined Fighters" CD - WHITE cowling front, AMT-11 spinner
Nothing in EP's "Soviet Air Force Fighter Colours"; nothing in the MBI La-5 monograph.

Obviously no one has any idea what it really was - another opportunity to "Do what you want, and let the critics prove you wrong!", I think! ;)

As has been suggested elsewhere, though, large applications of yellow, especially on the nose, would seem very unlikely, considering that the Luftwaffe used this colour/location as an identification feature for their own aircraft on the Russian front!

John


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: marluc on September 06, 2009, 08:48:58 PM
Hi John,thanks for your help.I?ve already checked EP?s book and MBI monograph.I?ve found a profile in Osprey?s "Lagg and Lavochkin Aces of WW2" with yellow front cowling and red spinner and the same photo as the one I posted but showing the (yellow?) dedication text.
Quoting you,it?s a case of "Do what you want, and let the critics prove you wrong!"
Best regards:

Martin


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 06, 2009, 10:22:25 PM
Hi, :)
comparing the shade of the star to that of the cowling ring, one can exclude that it was red.
I don't think it was yelow, except otherwise proved, because it was the color of Axis planes.
I think that white is likely. As a second choice, it could be light blue.
About the spinner: in my idea it could be white too. The prop blade root looks to have a white brush stroke, it's possible that spinners were painted with brush without masking, so the blade received an unintentional brush stroke.
Note the possibly white prop tips.
I suppose that the light source is on the right.
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Apex1701 on September 06, 2009, 10:23:10 PM
Hi Martin,

on scalemodels.ru a guys had done it with a red nose.

Here's the link to the translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D9822%26postdays%3D0%26postorder%3Dasc%26%26start%3D0&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Hope this helps.

Jean


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: marluc on September 06, 2009, 11:41:40 PM
Thanks Massimo for your interpretetion and Jean for the link,both very useful.In Scalemodels there is one photo where the unintentional brush (or airbrush?) stroke mentioned by Massimo can be seen clearly.Best regards.

Martin


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: John Thompson on September 07, 2009, 02:31:38 AM
A minor point, but the bright-coloured area at the base of the prop blade is actually some kind of marking or specially-prepared surface which is visible on all La-5 props, unless painted over during maintenance - here's one of several images I've got that show this. This one is actually a screen capture from a La-5 training film, and shows a La-5 or La-5F:

(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8322/phpjvedtd.png) (http://www.postimage.org/)

Here's a La-5FN:

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5079/98688623.th.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq26cvxJ)

Here's another La-5FN:

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8756/59356826.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)

John


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on September 07, 2009, 08:18:05 AM
Hi friends, :)
I see. It was common, not any proof.
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: FPSOlkor on July 02, 2014, 09:09:40 PM
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/pilots/kardopoltsev/kardopoltsev.htm

? In your regiment there were ?Mongolskii Arat? planes? What was the marking? Were the noses red or yellow?

Mongolia decided to help us and tank division. They used to send us gifts: meat, vine, clothes and some other stuff? They used to send them in railroad carts. They also sent us ?Mongolskii Arat? squadron.
The planes when they came were ordinary, without any difference to other planes, with an exception of an insignia, it was in red or white letters. Later we painted the noses of the planes in red ? it was a tradition for all the planes in our regiment, and we also made a white ?cap? at the upper part of the keel. When 12 of these planes came to the regiment, they were given to every squadron ? 4 planes each, but in a very short time they were gathered in one ? second squadron.


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on July 03, 2014, 06:15:04 PM
Hi Oleg,
interesting, but it is hard to believe that the nose of plane 52 was red; in its lower part, it seems even lighter than the light blue under the engine cowling.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: FPSOlkor on April 23, 2015, 04:20:08 PM
A new set of photos - I would suggest overcopying them
http://vif2ne.ru/nvi/forum/0/co/164260.htm


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 23, 2015, 09:38:28 PM
Hi Oleg,
excellent images, thank you very much. .
http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_11_1-EAP264TR109_L.jpg (http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_11_1-EAP264TR109_L.jpg)
This look a Mongolian Il-2, am I wrong?
And here are the La-5FN:
http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_9-EAP264ML_Box112_015_L.jpg (http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_9-EAP264ML_Box112_015_L.jpg)
http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_9-EAP264ML_Box112_013_L.jpg (http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_9-EAP264ML_Box112_013_L.jpg)
http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_5-EAP264ML_Box96_035_L.jpg (http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_5-EAP264ML_Box96_035_L.jpg)
Really beautiful photos. But they give great doubys: the nose looks very light and gloss, nearly white. And the cowling looks unusually dark and uniform, but matt, not glossy.
I wonder if any shade of red and dark grey can give that effect.
Note the unusual landing lights.
Here one can find photos of Mongol Po-2 too.
http://eap.bl.uk/database/overview_item.a4d?catId=37601;r=23811 (http://eap.bl.uk/database/overview_item.a4d?catId=37601;r=23811)
Regards
Massimo



Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 24, 2015, 09:03:48 AM
Hi all,
I would know some historical notes on these planes:
what does Mongolskiy arat' mean: I've found two different translations, both 'Mongol warrior' and  'Mongol pride'.
Planes with this slogan were given to 2 GIAP only, or to other units too?
Mongols gave the planes only, or the pilots too?
Any historical notes would be interesting.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Troy Smith on April 24, 2015, 03:13:46 PM
Hi all,
I would know some historical notes on these planes:
what does Mongolskiy arat' mean: I've found two different translations, both 'Mongol warrior' and  'Mongol pride'.
Planes with this slogan were given to 2 GIAP only, or to other units too?
Mongols gave the planes only, or the pilots too?
Any historical notes would be interesting.
Regards
Massimo

Massimo

note in shot 015
(http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_9-EAP264ML_Box112_015_L.jpg)
Note the apparent colour of the nose, very pale, but the very dark colour of the underside,
and compare to 013, where the underside is much paler, while the nose is now darker.
(http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_9-EAP264ML_Box112_013_L.jpg)

I don't know enough about this, but i suggest this is the effect of different coloured filters?
Or even just effect of different aperture speed?
   Someone with more knowledge of black and white photography may know more.   
Pics linked in under 'fair use' to aid discussion.

Also, in 015, note how dark the underside appears,
possibly the cause of the dark undersides of the Yak-7's here?
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/yak179/Yak-7/yak7navy1.jpg)

Just a suggestion.  That Il-2 does look to have Mongolian markings too, fascinating.


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 24, 2015, 03:49:59 PM
Hi Troy,
I've noted that shot 015 shows a nearly white nose.
I agree that it could be due to the use of some filter, maybe darkening blue. The photo of yaks could be due to the same effect, the grass is light in the same way, but only one of the images show a dark sky.
Anyway, the color is not the same of the stars; one could compare the color of the stars and of the inscriptions, visible under the same light. The frontal illumination contributes to show the nose as so light.
I'm just tracing a drawing. The photo gives the impression of Yellow, but it would be strange; i'll draw it as a sort of light shade of red, sort of orange or dayglo.  It could be that two different red paints impress a film in different way, To tell the truth, photos don't show the White tail cap described by the veteran.
I hope that something sure will emerge some days.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: FPSOlkor on April 25, 2015, 01:54:05 AM
White cap was not a FRE for the regiment as such, but for each regiment at current time and location. Sometimes thay changed, particularly when regiment changed subordination. 2 GvIAP was known for being sent to different fronts recently. If photo was taken before regiment arrived to specific theater of war, or after described period, cap could be absent. Another note - bort numbers. I would suggest (although it is not for sure), that ARAt initial airplanes had through numbers, while here we can see 70 along with 180. That could be due to replacement of battle worn or destroyed airplanes.


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 25, 2015, 07:16:40 AM
Hi Oleg,
I think that the unit had two planes numbered 80 in factory (perhaps the second one is on the photo) and added  1 to distinguish them transforming one 80 into 180. I've already seen La-5s with three numbers, and the first is usually 1, probably because it's the only one they can place into the available space.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: FPSOlkor on April 25, 2015, 05:02:32 PM
Possible. But still? there could be some differences - squad consisted of 12 airplanes, quite commonly with through numbers (at least at the beginning of fights after getting new airplanes), and here we see 50. 70. 80. 180...


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on January 09, 2017, 02:05:02 PM
Hi,
in private mail, Johann has raised again the question of the noses of La-5FN of this unit.
I've asked Ruchkovsky if there are news about this topic, and he answered that the only information is that the unit repainted red the noses of their La-7 with the addition of Guards mark to prevent confusion with German fockewulf.
Interesting... hadn't other units problems in distinguish La-7s from FW190?

Returning to La-5FN photographed above, this gives space to photo interpretation.
In some photos, those noses appear as dark as the light blue undersurfaces.In other photo the noses appears darker, and in other ones appear lighter.
This could be the effect of colored filters on the camera or of different films.
On this photo the nose appears of the same grey of both the ground and of the undersurfaces

(http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_9-EAP264ML_Box112_013_L.jpg)

in this one both the grassy ground and the noses appear very light.

(http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_9-EAP264ML_Box112_015_L.jpg)

If this is the effect of a filter, it had the same effect on both the noses and the grass.
Being the dominant color of the grass green or yellow, this suggests that the noses could be in some color not too different from yellow.
The possibility of confusion with German planes suggests the same thing.
So, if it wasn't yellow as German Gelb 04, it had to be or a lemon yellow, or yellow-orange or lime green.
Any ideas on this?
Regards
Massimo



Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on February 26, 2017, 06:36:21 AM
Yeshe is such a moment - the nose is likely not the red and here's why; In this photo

(http://coollib.com/i/83/326183/i_081.jpg)

the word "Монгольский Арат" (Mongolian Arat)
the same can not be red (in comparison with the star color is much lighter) But the color of the caption and the hood is very similar.
Personally, I tend to orange.

(http://eap.bl.uk/EAPDigitalItems/EAP264/EAP264_1_6_9-EAP264ML_Box112_013_L.jpg)

What do you think?


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 26, 2017, 07:45:18 AM
Hi Johann,
my opinion is that the nose and the inscription were yellow at the date of the photo, as shown on many profiles, and later were repainted (the nose only, probably) with red to avoid friendly fire. Kardopoltsev says that red noses were a tradition; so it is difficult that a different compromise color, as orange, would have used for long.
A delivery with yellow noses would justify a quick red repainting.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on February 26, 2017, 08:20:20 AM
Obviously yes, here they have a clearly red noses. But the inscription as I understand it is not changed and remains orange
(http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/la1025100590.32pdbxfq3zk0og88cgokooso8.ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4.th.jpeg)
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/photonoid/73974368/110889/110889_900.jpg)


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 26, 2017, 11:12:44 AM
Hi,
here the noses could be red, or it could be just a joke of the filters on the camera. I think that they didn't repaint the slogan, because it didn't cause risk of friendly fire.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on March 07, 2017, 10:30:35 PM
Massimo greetings. I was also sent a photo of La-5FN Mayorav, On it the color of the fairing of the screw differs from the hood

(https://s9.postimg.org/vakf62t1b/mayorov4.jpg)


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 08, 2017, 06:21:37 AM
Hi Johann,
I see. Perhaps the spinner has two colors too, or two shades of the same color.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on March 10, 2017, 10:05:19 AM
Found two indirect confirmations that the inscription and the hoods were painted red

Quote
2-му гвардейскому полку была поставлена задача на прикрытие боевых порядков танкистов. Командование и штаб полка дали указания на перебазирование. Инженерно-технический состав во главе с инженером полка майором А. А. Лелекиным много потрудился над тем, чтобы все самолеты были в боевой готовности. В оставшееся время на самолетах были нарисованы гвардейские знаки, капоты моторов покрасили в красный цвет, чтобы в воздушном бою было легче отличать свои лавочкины от фоккеров (по внешнему виду эти самолеты были очень похожи). На фюзеляжах 12 самолетов красной краской подновили слова Монгольский арат.

and

Quote
Полк базировался на полевой аэродром Вязовая на земле Смоленщины. С раннего утра 25 сентября 1943 г. командный, летный и технический состав занялся подготовкой к торжественному событию. На поле появились импровизированная трибуна, гвардейское Знамя полка, флаги, лозунг в честь дружбы советского и монгольского народов. На воинах - чистая выглаженная форма с орденами и медалями.
 
И вот настал долгожданный час. Из-за леса один за другим вынырнули 12 новеньких боевых самолетов Ла-5 с ярко-красной надписью Монгольский арат на фюзеляжах. Сделав парадный круг над аэродромом, машины заруливают на специально выделенную площадку. Возгласы. Ура, Монгольский арат!, Ура, монгольский народ! заглушают рокот моторов.

The first is from the book "Mongolian Arat" Second of the newspaper article for 43 years


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 10, 2017, 10:19:26 AM
Hi Johann,
interesting. Thank you for having posted it.
Quote
The 2nd Guards Regiment was tasked with covering the tank order. The command and staff of the regiment gave instructions for relocation. The engineering and technical staff, led by the engineer of the regiment, Major A. A. Lelekin, worked hard to ensure that all the aircraft were in combat readiness. In the remaining time, the Guards badges were painted on the planes, the engine hoods were painted red, so that in air combat it was easier to distinguish their "lavochkins" from the "Fokker" (in appearance these planes were very similar). On the fuselages, 12 planes with red paint refreshed the words "Mongolian Arat".
one has to clarify when this happened. If it was in late 1944/early 1945, the planes were La-7s.
Anyway it doesn't say about the original color of the inscription.

Quote
The regiment was based on the field airfield Vyazovaya on the land of Smolensk. From early morning on September 25, 1943, the command, flight and technical staff engaged in preparations for the solemn event. An improvised tribune, Guards Banner of Flags, flags, a slogan in honor of the friendship of the Soviet and Mongolian peoples appeared on the field. On the soldiers - a clean ironed form with orders and medals.
 
And now the long-awaited hour has come. From behind the forest, 12 new La-5 military aircraft emerged one after another with a bright red inscription "Mongolian Arat" on the fuselages. Having made a ceremonial balloon over the airfield, the cars are tilted to a specially designated area. Exclamations. "Hooray," Mongolian arat! "," Hooray, Mongolian people! "Muffle the roar of engines.

Here it speaks of bright red and of 1943. Bright red... something as dayglo red? Different from the red of the stars? Interestingly, it doesn't describe the noses of the planes.

Regards
Massimo



Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on March 10, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
I am confused by another moment - "September 25, 1943" and "the first 12 aircraft"
It's probably the first La-5F where the inscription was really red.

And a description from the book - end of December 1944. Most likely this is already La7

Quote
В конце декабря 1944 г. 2-й гвардейский полк был готов к выполнению боевых задач. Наступал 1945 год. Все сознавали, что вот-вот должны начаться активные боевые действия.Личный состав 2-го гвардейского полка Новый год встретил за товарищеским ужином в летной столовой. Первый новогодний тост был провозглашен за окончательный разгром немецкого фашизма в 1945 г., за то, чтобы дойти до Берлина и отпраздновать там победу.
С первого дня нового года в гвардейском, полку вновь закипела подготовительная работа к боевым действиям. Через день командиры авиационных соединений были вызваны в штаб воздушной армии, где генерал-полковник авиации С. А. Красовский поставил перед каждым боевую задачу.
2-му истребительному авиационному корпусу предстояло во взаимодействии с другими корпусами прикрывать с воздуха главную группировку войск 1-го Украинского фронта, наносящую удар с сандомирского плацдарма. 322-я дивизия должна была заранее перебазироваться на передовые аэродромы и с началом операции действовать во взаимодействии с 3-й ударной армией генерала В. Г. Гордова и 3-й и 4-й гвардейскими танковыми армиями, которыми командовали генералы П. С. Рыбалко и Д. Д. Лелюшенко.

Quote
At the end of December 1944, the 2nd Guards Regiment was ready to carry out combat missions. It was 1945. Everyone was aware that active hostilities were just about to begin. The staff of the 2nd Guards Regiment met New Year for a comradely dinner in the flight canteen. The first New Year's toast was proclaimed for the final defeat of German fascism in 1945, for getting to Berlin and celebrating victory there.
From the first day of the new year in the Guards regiment, the preparatory work for the fighting again began to boil. A day later, the commanders of aviation formations were summoned to the headquarters of the air army, where Colonel-General of the Aviation SA Krasovsky set the task for each.
The 2 nd Fighter Aviation Corps was to cover the main group of troops of the 1st Ukrainian Front, which strikes from the Sandomir bridgehead, in cooperation with other corps. The 322nd division was to advance to the advanced airfields in advance and with the beginning of the operation to act in cooperation with the 3rd Shock Army of General VG Gordov and the 3rd and 4th Guards Tank Armies, commanded by the generals PS Rybalko And D. D. Lelyushenko.


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 10, 2017, 04:18:10 PM
Hi,
Quote
I am confused by another moment - "September 25, 1943" and "the first 12 aircraft"
It's probably the first La-5F where the inscription was really red.
F or FN? Are the same planes of the photos?


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on March 10, 2017, 07:02:19 PM
No, it is F. If we are talking about the first aircraft arrived in the IAP
(http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/la_5f.5ykm38cbjgkkc0cwkg0kwggw0.ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4.th.jpeg)

La-5F from the squadron "Mongolian Arat". Aircraft for this squadron were built in August 1943 for donations of Mongolian stock-breeders (arats). The squadron was part of the 2nd Guards IAP of the 322nd Air Division.

Were built in August 1943, and according to a note in the newspaper it is about September 1943 and the mention of the first 12 machines. So tex in the newspaper describes exactly La-5F
And the photo corresponds to the description - the text of the inscription is red.



Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 10, 2017, 08:40:41 PM
The nose looks grey. This is consistent  with the description that mentions only red inscriptions. It looks the same shade of the red stars.
La-5FN are still mysterious.
I wonder if they received red noses. If I remember well, there are some photos of this type in the interview with Kardopoltsev and some spinners look black and red.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on March 16, 2017, 08:51:34 AM
La-5FN are still mysterious.[/quote]

On the last photo ... A few options, but what is correct is still unknown

(https://s17.postimg.org/km1ifq7tr/image.png)


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 16, 2017, 12:48:45 PM
Hi Johann,
the original camouflage of the plane was certainly grey-grey (AMT-11 and 12), without green. The shape of the blotch on the nose is typical of that pattern.
My impression from the photo is that the ring was yellow or orange, and the spinner red, probably appearing  in two different shades due to the thickness of the paint.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on March 16, 2017, 01:21:18 PM
Massimo, I just did not paint the plane itself, the shades from the nearest flowers play on it. But here I am convinced on my forum all the same in the presence of red. I'll post the pictures later.


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on March 18, 2017, 04:53:39 PM
Another La-5F with the inscription ...

(https://s30.postimg.org/e5kgn3eh9/11_1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/e5kgn3eh9/)

La-5FN with a red inscription

(https://s13.postimg.org/9ko7uqncz/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/9ko7uqncz/)

You can see a red nose. The last two photos start 44 years old

(https://s13.postimg.org/y11bs3hs3/image.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/y11bs3hs3/)


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 19, 2017, 10:13:29 AM
Hi,
I think that the second photo shows a La-7. I think to see the outline of the trapezoidal plate typical of La-7. The photo seems to confirm that the slogans were refreshed with red paint by brush.
Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Johann on March 19, 2017, 01:03:40 PM
Yes, I'm sorry, I did not look carefully. It's really La-7 late series
(For some reason it is described as - the technician of the aircraft of the Guards Sergeant V. Dubrovsky in the cockpit of the Lu-5FN fighter squadron of the "Mongolian Arat") But in fact La-7 ((((

More La-7 from esque Mongolian Arat

(https://www.wikireading.ru/img/351057_16_pic_83.jpg)


Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: barneybolac on May 04, 2017, 09:07:30 AM
Don't know the accuracy of this profile?

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Title: Re: Nose colour of La-5FN 2GIAP
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 04, 2017, 03:52:52 PM
Hi,
the problem is the color of the nose. It was a light color at first, then I think that it was repainted red. I think to yellow or orange, not to blue.
Regards
Massimo