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 on: Today at 12:19:33 AM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by KL
Hi Misos,
that was a quick correction!!!  Smiley

Drawing is from original 18th Army documents, thanks to Misha Timin.

Photos were definitively made in summer 1941, plane belonged to 314 rap, it was camouflaged in field (not in factory).

Camouflage orders were issued on June 20, AFAIK location of stars was regulated few days/weeks later...

HTH,
KL

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 on: April 24, 2017, 08:36:23 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by 66misos
Hi KL,
basicaly I agree with you - official scheme was black & green.
Here are another photos of the same plane I have found on web:







I havea to admit that camo on the plane (front & middle sides of the fuselage, wings, engine gondoles and vertical stabilizers) quite well fit to official camouflage template. However, the black is missing around the horizontal stabilizer root. Fabric on the rear left side of the fuselage is missing, we can only guess whether black was also there or not.

My original interpretation was that originally dark green (AIIz?) plane was for some repainted in the filed conditions to the new scheme, but black either poorly covered or it was mixed with new AMT-4 green to get enough paint or something like that. Those photos are usually dated to summer/july 1941 - time when Soviets at the fronts had completly diffrent problems from looking for perfect black.
Where is that color scheme from, please? The fuselage star is missing there - same like on that Yak-4. AFAIK there should be two red stars - on the rear fuselage side and on the tail.
However, if we suppose that plane was camouflaged already in the factory/PARB and different dark shades are only matter of light conditions and/or optical illusion then, of course, there should be only two colors - green (AMT-4) and black.

EDIT:
Here is reworked version to fit official NKAP template:


Regards,
   66misos


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 on: April 24, 2017, 05:46:59 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by KL
Hi Misos,
the profile is nice but IMHO, fundamentally wrongLips Sealed

the profile you made, conveys an idea that there was a 3-colour, green-dark green-black, camouflage scheme. Such a scheme definitively did not exist!
Yak-2 your profile represents was painted strictly in accordance with the June 1941 scheme in 2-colour black-green scheme:



Plane probably belonged to 514 rap, photos were made in summer 1941





I don't know why black fuselage bands look lighter on some photos - photographic material, lighting conditions, fuselage  could be dusty and nose could be wet...

HTH,
KL

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 on: April 24, 2017, 02:14:30 PM 
Started by xan - Last post by xan
Hello,
My next project is an I-16 type 4, at 1/48!

This is thanks to a Spanish friend we did all a transkit starting from a Eduard Type 10!

so I would like to talk (again I know) about the 1925/1937 VVS colors.

Particulary about the green color.

When i did a spanish type5 we share information in this forum.

at the moment what I know about this green is that:

official document just talk about green color nothing more.

Konstantin told me (if I am not wrong), that it 's admit this green was close to German RLM 83

for comparaison here are the gunze H423 for RLM 83 on spanish I-16, and akan AII green in the Chinese I-16



Konstantin or anyone else could tell me in why people think this green was close to RLM 83 ? Does Orlov say something about that?



this is given as a I-16' fabric part found in Spain.



Could it be a type 5 piece? cause the color is quite close to RML 83...

Second point in the 1934/1937 phase, cowling were genrally paint in black (RZ natacha, I-15, I-16, first mig-3)
was it systematic ?
After 1937 the cowling were no longer painted in black.

I mean if the cowler is painted in green as the fuselage, can we deduce the plain have been painted after 1937 and so the green is the new AII green color?

Last think, Akhanine who is knowed to be quite accurate for VVS color, only proposes one green for 1925/1941 period in his paint set and so does not make diference between the two greens...




Xan

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 on: April 24, 2017, 09:33:05 AM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by 66misos
Hi Massimo,
Thank you for comment. I do not have picture or drawing that shows exact shapes, dimensions and position of the bomb rack on Yak-4. And that rack was apparently removable. All line drawings I have found are without it. So let's say that my profile shows that plane before the rack was added.
Regards,
   66misos

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 on: April 23, 2017, 03:31:56 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by Massimo Tessitori
Hi Misos,
good profile as usual.
The photos show some bomb racks under the wings.
Regards
Massimo

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 on: April 23, 2017, 11:05:00 AM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by 66misos
Hi,
here is finished profile of Yak-4:



It should be this plane:




Regards,
   66misos

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 on: April 22, 2017, 11:03:06 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by Massimo Tessitori
Hi Misos,
a strange characteristic of these planes: I can't understand how the hood of the pilot opens. I think that it has to be  removed by the ground crew.
Regards
Massimo

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 on: April 22, 2017, 07:20:36 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by 66misos
Hi Massimo,
I have to admit that you are right. So outlet flap is closed now, picture is corrected and replaced. Wink
Thanx again.

This is Yak-2:


And this is Yak-4:







Reragds,
   66misos



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 on: April 22, 2017, 06:32:06 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by Massimo Tessitori
Hi Misos,
imho, if a thing is lightened by the sun, it has to project its shadow somewhere. If the flap is within the shadow of the wing, it can't have direct sunlight.
Regards
Massimo

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