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 on: August 19, 2019, 09:06:42 PM 
Started by John Thompson - Last post by John Thompson
At last - the Brengun Yak-1b is available for ordering through their e-store:


 on: August 14, 2019, 08:28:45 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by Spitfire
That looks great thank you for posting the photos and congratulations to your friend, I have one of those and hope to build it one day I hope mine turns out as nice.



 on: August 14, 2019, 08:23:55 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by Spitfire
Missed this one as I have been out of model making for a while, but that is a great build, one day when my modelling urge comes back I want to build a VVS P-39 myself



 on: August 14, 2019, 06:43:00 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by Massimo Tessitori
Hi Misos,
those tails look interesting. Do you think to make modifications to the already published pages, or to make some profile?

 on: August 14, 2019, 03:27:04 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by 66misos
pretty interesting photo is pasted at (pg_monster's page):

Marks of the farst recognition in the 23 giad (21, 69 and 211 giap) - short wide horizontal white lines on the rudder, color propeller spinners and overpainted serial numbers on the tail.

So this should be applicable also to Shikunov's plane from 69 giap:

Another interesting note about Shikunov's Cobra from my frieng building another P-39 in 1/32 - look at the little vent between propeller and front landing gear:

And the same could be applicable to Proshenkov's Cobra from the same 69 giap (and also Q version instead on N?):

However, are there wing guns at this plane?

It is typical for late Cobras (cca Q-15 and latter). N version did not have it - see green elipse in the picture below:


 on: August 14, 2019, 03:05:01 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by 66misos
could be true. But also the fuselage just behind the engines/propellers could be covered by a dust/smoke after the forced landing on the dry stepp. Huh
It looks like standard black-green camo to my eyes.

 on: August 09, 2019, 05:48:25 PM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by Massimo Tessitori
Hi Llemon, hi Misos,
this seems the original scan of a photo that I saw many years ago on some book. At the time, I had the same impression of a 3 shade camo.
 Considering the timeline and pattern, it is very likely that it was black and green only, but perhaps they utilized less black paint on the rear cockpit area to allow it to dry more quickly for the access of the crew.
So it could be that it seems as a blackish green instead of full black as it was on other parts of the plane.

 on: August 09, 2019, 02:53:23 PM 
Started by righidan - Last post by Massimo Tessitori
Hi Daniele, hi all,
I'm back from a small holiday.
I'm happy to see your notes on the article of Timin, pity that this is the last one for now. I hope that he'll return to publish something, particularly about the controversial paintings of early 1945 that seem out of the rules.
Thank you very much for your efforts.

 on: August 03, 2019, 11:28:05 AM 
Started by 66misos - Last post by Llemon
Hi KL,
basicaly I agree with you - official scheme was black & green.
Here are another photos of the same plane I have found on web:

I havea to admit that camo on the plane (front & middle sides of the fuselage, wings, engine gondoles and vertical stabilizers) quite well fit to official camouflage template. However, the black is missing around the horizontal stabilizer root. Fabric on the rear left side of the fuselage is missing, we can only guess whether black was also there or not.

My original interpretation was that originally dark green (AIIz?) plane was for some repainted in the filed conditions to the new scheme, but black either poorly covered or it was mixed with new AMT-4 green to get enough paint or something like that. Those photos are usually dated to summer/july 1941 - time when Soviets at the fronts had completly diffrent problems from looking for perfect black.
Where is that color scheme from, please? The fuselage star is missing there - same like on that Yak-4. AFAIK there should be two red stars - on the rear fuselage side and on the tail.
However, if we suppose that plane was camouflaged already in the factory/PARB and different dark shades are only matter of light conditions and/or optical illusion then, of course, there should be only two colors - green (AMT-4) and black.

Here is reworked version to fit official NKAP template:


Another photo of this machine. It looks almost like a 3 color scheme here.

 on: August 01, 2019, 12:09:12 AM 
Started by righidan - Last post by righidan
Dear friends,
the July 2019 issue of M-Hobby has been published, and I can confirm that the last article of Mr. Timin on the 1941 camouflage appeared in the June issue.
   It examines the white color of the winter 1941 – 1942.
   The paint used should have been the famous Mk 7 developed by Chebotarevsky and should have been applied starting from November 1941.
   How always happens, what is written in documents is not always applied in the field for a number of reasons, so it seems that some aircrafts were painted white completely, not only in the upper side.
   As Mk7 was not available everywhere, there is the suspect that the nitro lacquer “II white” was also used, giving a different overall impression.
And not all the planes were camouflaged in white: in the famous photo of the Migs of the 12th Guards. IAP, where of the ten aircraft, three are not camouflaged in white, and one has the upper surface of the wing not camouflaged, that was interpreted as red or orange in older publications.
   One of the most interesting findings is a document from the factory No. 292, which shows how, lacking the Mk7, the airplanes produced or refurbished in this factory were painted with a self-produced nitrocellulose white lacquer.
   These new information generated quite a lot of discussion in the Russian forums, and of course it is possible that a few planes were painted in aluminum overall, but it is a sure fact that most were painted with the lusterless Mk 7, or with a gloss white nitro lacquer.
Moreover it must be remembered that you could polish the Mk 7 to let your plane gain 10-25 kilometers the hour, so we can conclude that the white could have different degrees of shine, from the most lusterless to the highly polished.
   I personally believe that it is impossible to judge with certainty from a gray scale photo reproduction if the airplane is painted white or silver, but according to his experience everybody can express his point of view, and of course even if you are very little experienced, no one will be harmed…

MH 06/2019

Pg 34

MiG-3 (factory number 2289) with tactical number 89 of the 2nd Squadron of the 26th IAP Deputy Squadron Commander Lieutenant V.A. Korenya. The accident at the landing of 11.11.41. [6]

I-16 type 29 (factory number 2921252) with tactical number 52 of the 2nd squadron of the 123rd IAP, the pilot of the squadron commander Lt. I. D. Pidtykan. Accident due to engine malfunction 5.12.41. [7]

Pg 35
MiG-3 of the latest series of issue with the tactical number 44 of the 124th IAP, winter 1941/42.

I-16 type 5, upgraded by installing four ROs and a wind visor from I-16 late series with tactical number 64. Discovered on December 10, 1941 on the ice of Lake Ladoga in the Kexholm area and captured by Finnish military personnel. Photo from the Finnish photo archive SA-Kuva.

Commander of the 286th IAP, Lieutenant Colonel P.N. Baranov at I-16 type 24 with tactical number 22, winter 1941/42. [8]

Pg 36

Lagg-3 with tactical number 33, presumably, produced by plant number 23. Discovered on 02.20.1942 in the region of the settlement Vidlitsy (35 km north of Olonets) and captured by the Finnish military, was subsequently restored and used in the Finnish Air Force under the designation LG-2.

LaGG-3 with tactical number 46, presumably from the 11th Guards. IAP 7th IAK air defence, spring 1942

I-15bis with tactical number 52, presumably from the composition of the air force of the Northern Fleet, the winter of 1941/42.

Pg 37

I-16 type 5 with tactical number 15, upgraded by installing six ROs and a canopy from I-16 later series from the 11th IAP of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet air force. The fighter made an emergency landing on the ice at about. Gogland and was captured by the Finnish military, subsequently restored and used in the Finnish Air Force under the designation IR-101. Pilot squadron commander Captain V.P. Zharnikov managed to return to his unit.

Pilot of the 27th IAP of the 6th IAK Air Defense Jr. Lieutenant V.N. Matakov with MiG-3 with tactical number 8, winter of 1941/42.

Pilot of the 28th IAP of the 6th IAK Air Defense of Art. Lieutenant A.Ya. Fedorov in the MiG-3 (factory number 5077) with tactical number 2, the winter of 1941/42. The photo clearly shows that the plane was painted white over summer camouflage, while the old tactical number was painted over, and the new one was painted in a new place.

Pg 38

The personnel of the 236th IAP Air Force ZF at the airport in the district of Mozhaisk. From left to right: Lieutenant A.E. Maksimov, senior lieutenants MS Lipin and P.P. Medvedev, battalion commissar S.V. Horns. In the background are seen Yak-1 fighters, January 1942. Photo by V.I. Arkashev, Municipal budgetary institution "Karasuk museum of local lore" Novosibirsk region.

IL-2 with tactical number 2 of the 765th SHAP Air Force ZF at the start, winter 1941/42.

Il-2 with tactical number 6, presumably from the 62nd SHAP of the 77th SAD, winter of 1941/42.

Pg 39

Pe-3 with tactical number 3 of the 95th IAP of the 6th IAK air defence system in flight, winter of 1941/42.

Forced landing of a Su-2 shot down by German fighters with tactical number 6 of the 288th BAP Air Force LF, 02/04/1942. Pilot ml. Lieutenant Nikolaev, navigator foreman AV Andreev died.

The accident at the landing of DB-3f (serial number 181513) from the 3rd squadron of the 83rd DBPA of the 40th AD DD, 28.01.42, the Isanino airfield (Rybinsk). Pilot foreman V.F. Tarasychev. The aircraft is completely painted white, small identification marks in six positions [10].

Accident DB-3f (factory number 391904) from the 3rd Squadron of the 7th DBPA 40th AD DD January 20, 2003, near the village of Abramovo (Murom district, 12 km of the south-east of the Lopatino airfield). Pilot Lieutenant K.P. Prokofiev and navigator ml. Lieutenant Kukarsky died. [11].

Pg 40

Pilots of the 728th IAP of the ZF air force against the background of an I-16 type 10 fighter, winter of 1941/42.

Pe-2 with tactical number 69 of the 5th SBAP Air Force LF. The plane is painted in an improvised winter camouflage from white spots of irregular shape over the base black-green. Winter 1941/42.

Su-2 with tactical number 3 from an unknown regiment of the Air Force LF. The plane is painted in an improvised winter camouflage from white spots of irregular shape over the base black-green. Winter 1941/42.

Yak-1 (factory number 0506) from the 123rd IAP of the 7th IAK air defence, pilot captain G.N. Yidov, April 23, 1942. Wear of winter paint is clearly visible - the paint from the nose part almost completely peeled off.

Pg 41

The presentation of the Guards Banner to the personnel of the 12th Guards IAP 6th IAK air defence against the background of the line of MiG-3 fighters in March 1942. Of the ten MiG-3, three fighters are not painted white at all, and in one plane the detachable wing consoles replaced in repair are not tinted.

I-16 type 21 (factory number 2421321) with tactical number 21 of the 4th Guards Regiment of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet Air Force, pilot commander of the guard squadron, Senior Lieutenant GD Tsokolaev. The aircraft is completely painted with white paint, the identification marks of an increased size, but applied in four positions, spring 1942.

Pg 42
The Yak-1 fighter with tactical number 73 of an unknown air unit, captured by the enemy at the site of an emergency landing in the winter of 1941/42.

LaGG-3 from the 737th IAP at the Savasleyka airfield during retraining in 2nd ZAP, December 1941

LaGG-3 with tactical number 75 of an unknown military unit captured by the enemy at the site of an emergency landing. Despite the fact that this fighter release March 1942, it is still equipped with a ski chassis.

Pg 43

Handing aircraft to personnel of the 122nd IAP Air Force ZF. Arrows and slogans “For the Motherland”, “For Stalin”, “For the Bolshevik Party” are inflicted on the fuselages of the MiG-3 fighters. Winter 1941/42.

Squadron commander of the 7th guards-squadron of the Air Force LF Captain N.A. Zubsets sets the task for the personnel against the background of the IL-2 with the inscriptions "To the Battle for the Motherland" and "Death to the Fascist invaders!", March 1942.

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