searching pics of a I-16 type 5

[xan]

I saw a decoration of a I-16 type 5 of a baltic  unit
Does anyone have a pic of this plane ?

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/317/1/3/64

thanks

Xan

[John Thompson]

There's a couple of photos on this page:
http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html

If I come up with anything else, I'll be back...

John

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Xan,
there are photos from both sides of this plane on the book of EP, pag.120, and profiles at pag.106. I've doubts on the color of inscriptions on both sides.
Have you this book?
Regards
Massimo

[xan]

Yes Ihave this book, I will have a loock at night.
thanks for the link!
the pics are really beautifull (the others aren't bad too)

Xan

[KL]

Hi Xan  

your I-16 is one of Pilawskii's favorites!  It is shown in two versions in his new I-16 booklet:






Pilawskii still ignores everything that was written about VVS colours in Russia. He insists on his (acidic) lime green AII Green.  Dark green is his "Factory Green" now renamed as "AEh-15".  All this is ridiculous - AII Green was totally different and "Factory Green" never existed!!!

"Frustratingly poor images" are his main problem.  His research is just interpretation of b/w photos.  No analysis, no historical context, no standards, no analogies...
He didn't see red stars on fuselage sides, so it wasn't there.  Or, maybe there was one...  Other I-16s had red stars painted on their fuselage sides...



Can you see the Red Star there???

Saludos
KL

[marluc]

There was a discussion on scalemodel.ru regarding the stars on these ski equipped I-16s some time ago.This profile has the red star (probably edited):



In Pilawskii?s profiles,the skis look undersized.

Greetings.

Martin

[xan]

your I-16 is one of Pilawskii's favorites!

sorry

Can you see the Red Star there???

of course I do !



and what about the left side, with or without star ?

Xan

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi all,
I see the star in the photo, as Xan.
I think that it was on both sides, as usual.
Regards
Massimo

[learstang]

I see it also (is this some sort of Rorschach test where were asked what we see in the picture?).  I wonder why it's so faint - perhaps it was overpainted for some reason.  There is also a faint diagonal line in front of it, perhaps also overpainted.

Regards,

Jason

[marluc]

Hello Jason:

I wonder why it's so faint

I think it?s faint due to the light conditions in a snowy enviroment and the kind of photograph film.Greetings.

Martin

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi,
could anyone give to me a good translation of the captions on I-16s, please?
http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html
Regards
Massimo

[John Thompson]

Hi,
could anyone give to me a good translation of the captions on I-16s, please?
http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html
Regards
Massimo

I don't know if this qualifies as a "good" translation or not, but how about this:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bellabs.ru%2FFotab%2FSov-Fin%2FSov-Fin.html&act=url

John

[learstang]

I can translate at least that they belong to the Air Force of the Red Banner Fleet (VVS KBF; the Red Banner Fleet was also known as the Baltic Fleet).

Regards,

Jason

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi John,
thank you, but I don't know what are AE and AB for. CBF should be KBF. And MAC/b?
Regards
Massimo

[KL]

could anyone give to me a good translation of the captions on I-16s, please?
http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Sov-Fin/Sov-Fin.html

Bort Number "11", "Za VKP(b)" = "For the All-Union Communist Party (Russian: Всесою́зная Коммунисти́ческая Па́ртия), ВКП)
Major Gubanov

Bort Number "11", "Freedom to the Oppressed!"
Major Gubanov

Bort "3", For the Constitution of the SSSR!"
Senior lieutenant Novikov

Both planes belonged to 13th Avio Escadrille of the 61st Avio Brigade of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet Air Force