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Author Topic: Captured Bf-109F,Hasegawa 1/48  (Read 15138 times)
Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2012, 09:43:33 AM »

I think to see it too, on the inner side of the lighter band (green?) that covers the crosses on the wings. Perhaps they have first overpainted a star on each cross, then overpainted all leaving to see only a tip.
As an alternative, it could be a part of the splinter camo. To decide, it's necessary to see if the German pattern of the 109 should have an angle on that part of the wing.
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2012, 09:38:34 PM »

I think to see it too, on the inner side of the lighter band (green?) that covers the crosses on the wings. Perhaps they have first overpainted a star on each cross, then overpainted all leaving to see only a tip.
As an alternative, it could be a part of the splinter camo. To decide, it's necessary to see if the German pattern of the 109 should have an angle on that part of the wing.
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It's from the splinter camo. F-2's had that kind of camo.
You can check this.

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/luft1941/pingel.html


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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2012, 07:42:21 AM »

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It's from the splinter camo. F-2's had that kind of camo.
You can check this.

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/luft1941/pingel.html

But I don't see the same angle on this photo.

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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2012, 10:47:51 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2012, 04:44:23 PM »

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It's from the splinter camo. F-2's had that kind of camo.
You can check this.

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/luft1941/pingel.html

But I don't see the same angle on this photo.

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The left tip....
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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2012, 06:07:07 PM »

Hi Marluc,

did you see this page?  http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/Guests_LII/Guests_LII_1.html   Wink

Although this is a picture of (my) kit it shows standard camouflage clearly:


Patterns of Bf-109 camo look differently. I tend to agree with Massimo that there is visible a part of the star, but seems to be bigger than standard.

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2012, 09:09:19 PM »

I grew up in the Luftwaffe fan boy club and considered the splinter camo.  But no splinter camo had an angular protrusion of that kind, which is why it stood out to me.  The only doubt I have is that the rest of what might be a star is washed out.  Regardless, that shape is not part of the original camo scheme IMO.
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2012, 08:44:08 PM »

Hi Marluc,

did you see this page?  http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/Guests_LII/Guests_LII_1.html   Wink

Although this is a picture of (my) kit it shows standard camouflage clearly:


Patterns of Bf-109 camo look differently. I tend to agree with Massimo that there is visible a part of the star, but seems to be bigger than standard.

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     66misos

Great looking Bf-109. Cheesy
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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2013, 07:18:38 PM »

I'm wondering how can be done for the white line on the stars. Maybe a retouch with thinned red by brush to make them less visible?
Hi Massimo,I?ve been wondering the exact thing too,I?ll try masking the edges of the red stars and airbrushing very diluted red paint.
I want to add a red star to both sides of the tail if I found one of the right size,it can?t be seen in the picture but it?s probably there.
Thanks all of you for your comments and the friendly discussion,greetings.

Martin
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2013, 09:29:04 AM »

Hi Martin,
I would go for masking and airbrush whole stars. It seems to be more complicated than just freehand brush corrections, but at least in my case experience says not. I usually have to correct freehand brush several times plus color of paint does not match exactly color of decal, or did not cover well or is too thick etc. So at the end of the day freehand brush requires more time then originally expected. And not rarely the final correction is masking and airbrush Wink
Just be carefull and do not remove decals when removing masking tape.
Let me wish you a lot of success with your kit!

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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2014, 06:44:26 AM »

Hi
I just found at http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aircraft-pictures/captured-aircraft-odd-photos-999-33.html this:




http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/394/language/fr-FR/WTF.aspx :
Another Messerschmitt Bf 109 trophy (14513 operated by II JG 3) bagged by the Soviets was tested against a Lavochkin La-5FN and Yakovlev Yak-9D, with the conclusion being that the Russian fighters could compete successfully against the 109. This aircraft was tested at NII VVS Research Centre after it had been captured, following a forced landing with battle damage. According to trophy lists, the Soviets would acquire 54 Messerschmitt Bf 109s with eight of these being fully operational. Photo via Stewart Callan, Flickr.

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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2014, 10:21:06 PM »

Hi Misos,
the profile doesn't seem very resembling to the photo. The German blotches are visible through the green layer, on the spinner too, and the tail doesn't seem white.
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2014, 03:42:59 PM »

Hi Massimo,
I agree that color profile is not fully correct.
According to the photo I have from Airforce.ru forum I would say that there were no red stars on the upper wings, only German white crosses were repainted (AMT4?).

Left upper wing painting fits quite well to painting on the plastic kit above, of course minus repainted darker (square) area over cross.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2014, 06:10:56 PM »

Hi Misos, seems that they have repainted the wingtips, spinner and the tips of the prop blades (or perhaps these are worn).
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2014, 06:38:16 PM »

... I would say that there were no red stars on the upper wings, only German white crosses were repainted (AMT4?).

It wasn't AMT-4, more likely an oil paint of the similar colour.
AMT paints were designed for the use on fabric.  They were used on metal only if the surface was properly primed.  I doubt they primed surface of this Me-109 with ALG-1 and used hot air to dry it.

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/394/language/fr-FR/WTF.aspx :
Another Messerschmitt Bf 109 trophy (14513 operated by II JG 3) bagged by the Soviets was tested against a Lavochkin La-5FN and Yakovlev Yak-9D, with the conclusion being that the Russian fighters could compete successfully against the 109. This aircraft was tested at NII VVS Research Centre after it had been captured, following a forced landing with battle damage. According to trophy lists, the Soviets would acquire 54 Messerschmitt Bf 109s with eight of these being fully operational.

Is it only me...  Huh  ...it is interesting how Germans or Americans just capture enemy's planes, and Soviets also bag German planes.  Sounds like they were collecting Bf-109s.

Term "captured" isn't clear at all:  even if the plane is found on an airfield or in a factory after enemy capitulated (in France in 1940 or in Germany and Japan in 1945) it is considered to be "captured".  Planes flown by defecting pilots are also considered to be "captured" even if the pilot himself wasn't captured - he couldn't become POW because there was no state of war.

Also, those numbers are very suspicious:  There were no "trophy lists".  I would suspect that more than 54 Messerschmitt Bf 109s in various state ended on Soviet held territories.  There were no operational Messerschmitt Bf 109s in Soviet VVS - author is saying that Soviets used 8 Bf-109s against Germans (was that a Bf-109 squadron or they were dispersed in VVS regiments?).
The hole text is a joke...

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KL

 
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