Il-2 Wreckage

[John Thompson]

Go here to download 123 images of Il-2 wreckage; the file name is Il-2.zip. 92.6 meg; takes about 15 minutes to download. Click on "скачать":
http://files.mail.ru/CI66D7

John

[learstang]

Thank you for the link, John!  This is from a museum in Kiev, isn't it?  You have seen the footage of the now-flying restored Shturmovik, I hope.

Regards,

Jason

[KL]

This is from a museum in Kiev, isn't it?

John/Jason,
It's Il-10, not Il-2!!!
Check it out at http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/1948/1948_Albom_Nakrasok.html


"Wreckage of an Il-10 in an Ukrainian museum. My apologies for the poor lighting in this shot." 

[John Thompson]

Owwwwch... 

But what kind of Il-2 is it? Now I can display my own ignorance about the Ilyusha - it appears to be (almost) all-metal; visible on the wing is the extended aileron mass balance which I thought was only found on early single-seaters, and yet it's obviously a two-seater. Some of the workmanship in the area of the gunner's position looks pretty rough - could it be a field conversion? Oh Jason....

John

[learstang]

John, I looked over the photographs, and I don't see that balance you're talking about.  Could you post the picture?  As far as this being a field conversion, the answer is no.  This is a factory-built two-seater.  The field conversion was simplicity itself - a round hole cut just aft of the canopy (sometimes necessitating a small cutout at the bottom of the canopy), with either a ring from an R-5 or SB, or a gun on a simple pivot mount, attached to the fuselage with metal straps on both sides.  If this particular 'plane did have the balances, it could be a single-seater that were modified on the assembly line, which did occur.  Nonetheless, as far as the rear gunner position is concerned, it would look like that of a planned two-seater.  I suppose a factory-modified single-seater would still have the wingtip balances, if it were metal-winged, yet otherwise look like an early two-seater.

Regards,

Jason

[John Thompson]

Hi Jason! The balance, if that's what it is, is visible in the photo Konstantin posted (the dark line on the wing, just above the cockpit). It's also more clearly seen in image P1010037. I would have posted a picture but right now PostImage.org seems to be having problems.

(Looking further at more photos and drawings, the thing I see is not as close to the wing tip as these other sources show the balance to be, so perhaps I'm mistaken. Again...  )

John

[learstang]

John, that could be a rocket rail.  The device in the photograph Konstantin posted is definitely not the anti-flutter balance, which was near the wingtip, at the end of the ailerons.  I think this is a pretty run-of-the-mill straight-winged two-seater, with metal wings.  The photographs do show some interesting details, such as a preserved portion of the AMT-6/AMT-4 camouflage.  No problem about being mistaken - being mistaken is the birthright of anyone who studies the Shturmovik.

Regards,

Jason

[KL]

Hi John/Jason, 
just a reminder:  the "exhibit" actually consists of two wrecks!

1.  Outer wing panels of a late 1942 single seater modified (in factory?) into a two-seater
2.  Bronekorpus + centroplan of a standard late 1943 two-seater

1942 plane was camouflaged in green+black, 1943 was probably in standar 3-colour scheme, but what is visible is mostly green ALG-5 and ligher olive green AMT-4.

Explained at dishmodels at
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=416
my translation - post 14 at http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=895.0

happy modelling,
KL

[John Thompson]

Thanks, Konstantin and Jason! Very interesting!

John

[learstang]

Thank you for the clarification, Konstantin!  I didn't realise it was two aeroplanes.  That does make it somewhat difficult to identify the version!

Regards,

Jason