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Author Topic: I-16 marked "3-1" at Orscha  (Read 6212 times)
ChristianK
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« on: October 28, 2011, 02:42:40 PM »

Hi all,
I am looking for more info on or photos of this particularly marked I-16, presumably photographed at Orscha:


(http://reibert.info/forum/showthread.php?t=168566

Can anyone help?

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Christian
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 05:48:04 PM »

Because it has the forward-sliding enclosed canopy, it's an early type 5, but you probably already knew that.

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Jason
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ChristianK
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 05:59:32 PM »

I am afraid you are right, Jason. I should have made it more clear: I am looking mainly for unit/markings info. But thanks anyway!

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Christian
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 02:08:18 PM »

Hi Christian,
the photo is very interesting for the markings depicted. Has any new information emerged?
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ChristianK
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 02:15:13 PM »

Hi Massimo,
not as yet, sorry!

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Christian
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ChristianK
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 12:08:15 PM »

Hi all,

just for the record and in case you have missed it: http://www.ebay.de/itm/190680532111?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649



No new information regarding the unit, though.

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Christian
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 07:22:04 PM »

Those kooky German soldiers and their souvenir-hunting!  Well, at least their family survivors got to keep a genuine Soviet red star to remember their Fritz by.  (Yes I know soldiers on all sides took souvenirs, but the arrogance and racism of the German soldiers towards the Soviets/Russians was striking, even by the low standards of the 1940's, a point that's being reinforced by a book I'm currently reading about the Battle for Moscow.)

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 08:16:56 PM »

Misha Timin says it was airfield Orsha-Balbasovo.



И-16 скорее всего - матчасть 160 и 161 ИАП 43 ИАД (хотя возможно какие то неисправные машины могли остаться и от более ранних формирований), И-16 позднего типа 161 ИАП, И-153 из 160 ИАП.







I-16s most likely belonged to 160th and 161st iap of 43rd iad (although it was possible that some unserviceable planes could have been left by earlier units).
I-16 Type 29 (upright plane standing on its nose, tail No 7) belonged to 161st iap.  I-153s belonged to 160th iap.

HTH!!!  Smiley
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ChristianK
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2013, 12:42:14 PM »

Hi all,
I found some new piece of info on this particular marking here: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_4735_start_1120.html (scroll down)

The similarities between "3-1" and "5-1" are obvious - so could "3-1" have been a plane of 22 IAP? Where was this regiment stationed in 1941? The speculation about the white fuselage band indicating rocket-carrying aircraft is also interesting...

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Christian
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2013, 01:08:42 PM »

Hi Christian,
there are photos of both planes at

http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/i16/i16painting/I16painting.htm

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5-1 looks a type 17; this was the plane of 2nd leutnant Katalov of 22th IAP crashed during the fights against Japaneses in Nomonhan, Manchuria, in 1939.

The planes were delivered to the unit in a light grey livery, but this resembled the colors of Japanese Ki-27, leading to dangerous misunderstandings. So the uppersurfaces were repainted green, leaving only a light grey band around the fuselage.

The characteristic n.51 (or 5-1?) shows two different sizes for the digits; these digits are aligned on their top (differently from what we see in some profiles); their different size could be determined by the space available. It's unknown how the numbers appeared on the other side.
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ChristianK
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2013, 01:19:49 PM »

Oops, thanks for the hint, Massimo. But anyway, is the presence of a 22nd IAP plane at Orscha in 1941 a valid possibility?


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