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« on: January 20, 2012, 06:45:02 PM » |
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Hi, I'm tracing a drawing of this UIL-2  On the 4+ monograph, there is a color profile of the same plane with a Guards mark on thee right side of the tail, but it doesn't appear on this photo.  Do anyone knows if there is another photo showing the plane with that mark? Regards Massimo |
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learstang
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 10:13:16 PM » |
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Since "special" markings such as personal markings and slogans often appeared only on the port side, if the Guards emblem appeared on the starboard side, it should have appeared on the port side also. Absent photographic evidence, which I have been unable so far to find in my collection, I would say that this aeroplane did not have the Guards emblem.
Regards,
Jason
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 02:26:23 PM » |
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Hi Jason,
to tell the truth, there is a vague dot that could vaguely resemble a guard's mark, but should the central starlet have a white background, it should be as evident as the white border of the large star, and it isn't so. Do you know if that mark existed without the white background too?
Regards
Massimo
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learstang
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 02:26:01 AM » |
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Hi Jason,
to tell the truth, there is a vague dot that could vaguely resemble a guard's mark, but should the central starlet have a white background, it should be as evident as the white border of the large star, and it isn't so. Do you know if that mark existed without the white background too?
Regards
Massimo
I wouldn't think so. If they're trying to copy the Guards badge, it should have the white. I actually have a Guards badge, and the centre is filled with white enamel. I think the white's too conspicuous a part of the emblem for it to be omitted. Regards, Jason |
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 07:16:58 AM » |
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Another thing: is it possible that a training unit was made Guards?
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Massimo
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KL
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 07:02:13 PM » |
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Another thing: is it possible that a training unit was made Guards?
No, it was the other way around: a guards unit tasked with training!!!You have correctly identified this UIl-2 as Yugoslav, so check what Wikipedia says at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/421st_Assault_Aviation_RegimentThe 421st Assault Aviation Regiment was established on December 20, 1944, in Laćarak, from Yugoslav partisan aviators with the Soviet Air Force 17th Air Army's 165th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment (165.GShAP). It has become independent form Soviet command and personal since May 1945. Regiment was part of 42nd Aviation Assault Division, it was equipped with Soviet Il-2 Shturmovik ground-attack aircraft. Regiment has took part in final operations for liberation of Yugoslavia. During the combat operations it was based at Laćarak, Krnje?evci, Zemun, Nadalj, Bački Brestovac and Sombor airfields.Few Yugoslav Il-2s had Guards sign, most didn't... Regards, KL |
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2012, 11:42:22 AM » |
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Hi Konstantin,
thank you for the information, so there is really the possibility that the plane had the mark, if it's possible to find it without the white background.
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Massimo
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KL
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 07:31:02 PM » |
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UIl-2 No 8 didn't have Guards sign on the port side of its tailfin.  Yugoslav Il-2s with the Guards sign (on cockpit canopy)   Hth, KL |
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 07:55:44 PM » |
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Thank you Konstantin, excellent photos indeed.
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Massimo
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 07:58:07 PM » |
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Thank you Konstantin, excellent photos indeed.
Regards
Massimo
Owner of those photos is Mr. Milan Micevski, photos and text were posted there with his permission. Mr. Micevski is the leading authority on Yugoslav aviation history and expert for Yaks and Ils in general. He is author/coauthor of several books on Yugoslav aviation history and author of many articles published in Yugoslav/Serbian aviation magazines. Following photos are kindly provided by Mr. Micevski:     |
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 09:46:05 PM » |
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Very good photos! Thanks to you and Mr. Micevski!
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Massimo
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2012, 06:28:22 PM » |
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Hi Barneybolac,
this book is excellent, even if it considers the late versions of Il-2 only.
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Massimo
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2012, 08:46:33 PM » |
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I believe the brown is way off both on profiles and Czech restored example...
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