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Victory marks on Pokryshkin's P-39 "100"
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66misos
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« Reply #120 on: November 07, 2013, 11:32:39 AM »

Hi KL and Massimo,

thank your replies. Smiley
I posted it also at scalemodels.ru. I am curious also for russian guys standpoints.
Massimo, I will wait couple of days and then I will summarize it and we can update mig3 pages.

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« Reply #121 on: November 23, 2013, 03:45:01 PM »

Dear all,

I am a new member and this is my first post on the board.

First of all I want to congratulate with 66misos for the excellent work and researches he made on Pokryshkin?s P-39s.

Here my little contribution to the work hoping this can help.

Surfing the net, I came across this photo. Although the low resolution, it seems that the last digit of the serial number is ?4? (the last three digits might be ?004?). According to Pokryshkin?s rank and medals the photo was probably taken in May ?43, so it is very likely that this plane is P-39N-0 ?42-9004?.

Note the white circle on P-39?s cockpit door (visible just above Pokryshkin?s cap); it is a very common detail, seen several time on P-39s, even if up to now I am not able to understand what it exactly is. Unfortunately this circle is not visible on the famous photo of P-39 ?42-9004?.

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« Reply #122 on: November 23, 2013, 07:17:27 PM »

Surfing the net, I came across this photo. Although the low resolution, it seems that the last digit of the serial number is ?4? (the last three digits might be ?004?). According to Pokryshkin?s rank and medals the photo was probably taken in May ?43, so it is very likely that this plane is P-39N-0 ?42-9004?.

Note the white circle on P-39?s cockpit door (visible just above Pokryshkin?s cap); it is a very common detail, seen several time on P-39s, even if up to now I am not able to understand what it exactly is. Unfortunately this circle is not visible on the famous photo of P-39 ?42-9004?.



Excellent find Flavio!
I believe the white circle is a formation light cover.  Those door formation lights were typical for Airacobras made for the British RAF, USAAF P-39 didn't have them.  This is definitively a 1942 made Airakobra, close to model L below:



It is quite possible that this is 42-9004 - Pokrishkin's uniform and medals are the same as on the recently posted photo.

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« Reply #123 on: November 24, 2013, 02:25:21 PM »

Hi Flavio,

thank you very much for a really interesting photo. And, of course, for your comment Smiley
I posted question at Russian military-history forum http://vif2ne.ru/nvi/forum/0/0.htm and here are some points:
  1.) it really seems to be Pokryshkin's P-39 "100" 29004,
  2.) white dot on the door is the mark of the center of gravity, there is a crosshair and the inscription "CG origin".

Here is enlarged detail from your photo together with other Cobras:

White dot is also there, and also on many others.
Serial number of Pokryshkin's P-39 seems to be (again) retouched - compare it with those two others.

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   66misos
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« Reply #124 on: November 24, 2013, 08:04:21 PM »

I checked about those British navigation lights - those were behind the cockpit doors.   Lips Sealed

Still, CG at the wing leading edge?  Supposedly P-39s engine was at the CG...  Huh  Engineers may explain this...

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Flavio
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« Reply #125 on: November 24, 2013, 10:25:03 PM »

Thank you 66misos,

for the explanation of the white dot.

The photo I posted and that one with 30 kill markings, were taken at the end of May '43, probably on (or soon after) 24 May when Pokryshkin was awarded of title of Hero of the Soviet Union (his first time) and of Order of Lenin (his second). However I read with attention all the topic, and if I well understand, at that time Pokryshkin's personal plane was still P-39K-2 42-4421. P-39N 42-9004, even if already assigned at 16th GIAP, was choose only after 20 June '43. At this time he was promoted Major and looked like in this photo:


Unfortunately, I don't have the book by Tabachenko; probaly you can find when Pokryshkin started to use 42-9004, and when he flew for the last time 42-4421.

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« Reply #126 on: December 11, 2013, 01:32:10 PM »

Hi
2.) white dot on the door is the mark of the center of gravity, there is a crosshair and the inscription "CG origin".

Still, CG at the wing leading edge?  Supposedly P-39s engine was at the CG...  Huh  Engineers may explain this...

Here is picture showing that white "dot" in detail:


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« Reply #127 on: December 11, 2013, 06:07:26 PM »

Thank you 66misos
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« Reply #128 on: January 17, 2014, 12:57:46 PM »

Hi,
working on new P-39 template I reworked Pokryshkin's "100" as the first one. After looking at more and more photos and comparing them I decided to change also the color of the propeller blades from black to grey.
This plane is quite clear, prepared for photosession, shortly after its arrival to the unit.

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« Reply #129 on: January 17, 2014, 01:03:55 PM »

Hi Misos,
excellent work indeed. The beige background is nice too.
I think that some details should be visible through the glazing, as the gunsight and, perhaps, the radio box.
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« Reply #130 on: January 17, 2014, 01:53:40 PM »

Hi Massimo,

thanx for comment. It is there in PSD, I just forgot that layer hidden Sad
I already linked corrected picture in my post above. Gunsight etc. is there, but there was not big radio box in the back of canopy, check this picture:


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« Reply #131 on: January 17, 2014, 02:58:06 PM »

... but there was not big radio box in the back of canopy, check this picture:

Dear 66misos,

your profile is very well done.
Please note that the black device behind the cockpit was not the radio box but the landing gear warning horn (similar to a semi-sphere); look the photos from internet.
Flavio

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« Reply #132 on: January 17, 2014, 03:44:58 PM »

Hi Flavio,

thanx for clarification and excellent photos. I updated my picture above accordingly.

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« Reply #133 on: January 17, 2014, 07:18:26 PM »

Hi Misos,
excellent profile!  IMHO, your new OD is more convincing then one before (more brownish than green).

two photos of Pokrishin's "100" were most likely staged; Russian historians agree that all 30 victory stars were painted at once.  But, that was it - so you should add exhaust staining to your profile. Some grime, wear and tear would make profile more realistic too.
IMHO, nose cannon shroud/protective pipe was wider than on your profile. Maybe..  Huh

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« Reply #134 on: January 18, 2014, 08:37:13 AM »

Hi KL,
thanx for comment. Yes, there should be protecting pipe on the nose cannon and also on the wing guns. They all have exposed gun barrels on my profile.
I do not know whether to add there also bomb/fuel tank pylon on the bottom fuselage or not.
Plane was quite clean at this moment-mid May. It just arrived to unit, victory stars were painted all at once. Pokryshkin used another plane that time. I will made another profile how it could look several months latter, at the end of July.

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