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Author Topic: 'Red Falcons' MiG 15bis  (Read 7097 times)
Palanadine
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« on: July 05, 2012, 07:57:55 PM »

 Good afternoon everybody!

 Currently i am building Trumpeter's offering of the MiG 15bis on 1/48th scale, and browsing around for something other than a metallic finish, stumbled upon this:

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/11/pics/1_2.jpg and http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/11/pics/1_2_b1.png

 Obviously red is well, red!  Roll Eyes  However, i'd really like to know whether or not the undersides were painted the stated pale blue, left in unpainted metal, or painted silver.

 Thanks in advance!

 Regards,

 Panayotis
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 10:28:15 PM »

I'm going out on a limb here since I haven't tried to check any references (haven't got very many MiG-15 references anyway) but I'd say the undersides would probably have been painted aluminum (the standard VVS overall finish). Why? Because:
(1) Since the aircraft would not originally have been painted with green upper surfaces and blue lower surfaces (this scheme was not used on the MiG-15), it's not a case where the undersides were left in blue as part of the original colour scheme, because they were never blue in the first place. It seems very unlikely that the undersides would have been specially painted blue as part of the application of the red display scheme. If they were going to paint the undersides, why not just paint the whole aircraft red?
(2) As I said, the standard VVS scheme for the MiG-15 was overall aluminum paint; it seems likely that the red upper surface colour would have been applied over the factory-applied aluminum paint, leaving the undersides in the original aluminum painted finish.
(3) ...and not stripped to bare metal.

But feel free to prove me wrong, and we'll all learn something new! Wink

John
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2012, 10:39:35 PM »

Hi Panayotis, hi John,
the planes are photographed on the cover of the 'aerofax' monograph; their undersurfaces look bare metal, with air brakes much darker than the base color.


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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2012, 10:49:58 PM »

 John, Massimo, thank you very much for your input! At the very least, spares me the trouble of finding a suitable "russian blue". Based on the photo i'd say that it is highly likely they were NMF aircraft painted red on top.

 It's also quite interesting to note that on the Aerofax photo, the fuselage star has a much thicker border than the tail star.

 Will try to find some pics if i can, but so far looks like i'll be going for a NMF overall, and red on top of that for upper surfaces; same size-shape stars for tail and underside of wings but different for fuselage; that only leaves the question of whether or not these aircraft had stars on the upper surface of the wings.

 Possible due to the existence of red star on the red tail - by the way, is it me, or do the stars appear to be a darker shade of red than the body colour?

 Regards,

 Panayotis
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2012, 11:11:28 PM »

this was 1953 aerobatic team "Krasnaya Pyaterka",also known as Babaev's group.







check:
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_31028_start_0.html
http://www.rlm.at/cont/gal01_e.htm
 
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2012, 01:15:17 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVluBxhE0w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwRs72FyAe8

there were at least 9 planes (not only 5), at least two were dark blue  Shocked
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2012, 08:15:11 AM »

Interesting, dark blue is more surprisingly and rare for a Soviet plane.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2012, 09:07:51 AM »

I choose the dark blue one. Grin
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2012, 03:58:03 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVluBxhE0w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwRs72FyAe8

there were at least 9 planes (not only 5), at least two were dark blue  Shocked

 Indeed, it was quite unexpected to find that color right from the beginning of the first video. It could have been the flight leader aircraft, these usually get a special paint job.

 Also, it would appear that the stars are equal in size/ shape/ border thickness in all positions, and that there were NO stars on the upper surfaces of the wings - not even on the Blue plane.

 By the way, uncovered this: http://aerobaticteams.net/soviet-aerobatic-teams.html . No mention of special color in the MiG-15 team, but:

 "...These included Yak-15s, MiG-15s and MiG-21s, with red-painted upper-surfaces and unpainted bottom-surfaces in natural aluminum, along with MiG-17s and MiG-19s painted with blue or grey at the bottom...."

 This is a bit perplexing, as by what i was able to discern on the videos (especially the 2nd one, black&white), as well as in the pictures, the undersides do not appear to have the various shadings usually associated with NMF aircraft, rather appear painted silver/ aluminum, with only the air brakes being a bit darker. Oh and as i see it, NMF are too shiny, almost mirror like, these appear too 'flat' - as seen on the first scene of the first video, with the pilots talking besides 211 (the blue plane)

Interesting, dark blue is more surprisingly and rare for a Soviet plane.
Regards
Massimo

I choose the dark blue one. Grin

 Yep, i'm getting more and more attracted to that one; question now of course is what would be a good match to that blue paint. Any suggestions?

 Also, even though artistically painting my model with various shades of metallic colors would be pleasing to the eye, i'd very much like to make it as faithful to the original as i can. So, will i be wrong going with NMF and effects, or should i spray silver/ aluminum and be done with it?

 Oh and goes without saying that this: http://www.rlm.at/cont/gal01_e.htm , while surely is an eye candy, i can't believe would be real - i mean, come on, when was the last time you saw faded/ chipped paint on a Red Arrows, Blue Angels, or Russian Knights plane?!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2012, 08:13:44 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVluBxhE0w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwRs72FyAe8

there were at least 9 planes (not only 5), at least two were dark blue  Shocked

 Indeed, it was quite unexpected to find that color right from the beginning of the first video. It could have been the flight leader aircraft, these usually get a special paint job.

Or, blue planes could have represented aggressor planes.  Huh
In war games/military exercises aggressor was traditionally "the blue" and the defensive forces were "the Red".  "The Reds" would always successfully repel aggression and win.  Cool
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2012, 04:39:57 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVluBxhE0w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwRs72FyAe8

there were at least 9 planes (not only 5), at least two were dark blue  Shocked

 Indeed, it was quite unexpected to find that color right from the beginning of the first video. It could have been the flight leader aircraft, these usually get a special paint job.

Or, blue planes could have represented aggressor planes.  Huh
In war games/military exercises aggressor was traditionally "the blue" and the defensive forces were "the Red".  "The Reds" would always successfully repel aggression and win.  Cool

Not surprisingly, Konstantin, in U.S. war games the aggressors were the "Red" forces, and the defenders were the "Blue" forces.

Regards,

Jason
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