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Author Topic: Brand new Tamiya Il-2 1:48  (Read 19585 times)
richard.kiss
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« on: July 09, 2012, 04:29:41 PM »

I've received this kit and book a few days ago, then started familiarization with the kit immediately.



First nice impression is the surface itself. Not the usual smooth as glass Tamiya surface, but a barely sensable textured. This picture published on Hyperscale make the effect quite visable:



The panel lines are somewhat different than the usual Tamiya type deep and narrow channels, in this case very fine but definite lines. the rivets and hinges are simply gorgeous, almost forcing the modeler not to cover all these with a dull single tone paintwork, instead during the finishing steps make the final apperance more detailed. 



The loctaion of the ejector pins are very well thought over. A fine example of this is the lower wing area:



the areas marked with an arrow are extra sprues that don't connect to the parts, instead the function of these is to facilitate the sprues leave the mould spotlessly by accommodating four ejector pins.

Dry fit test





We've pretty much got used to Tamiya parts are not splitting when removing off the sprues, but here there is another invention. On the major parts (fuelage,wings etc.) the attachment points are rectangular shaped instead of the old round type, and what is more important: these don't connect to the exterior surfaces of the model only to the glueing edges thus making it impossible to ruin the visible surfaces. The positioning pins are also rectangular shaped instead of the formerly used round ones.

The fit is fabulous. This particulary true when looking at the combined air intake + nose cover part:



This is a very difficult shaped part and connects to other kit part at several places, however it looks like the Philippine company done their homwework just perfect.



Armament

I was very curious of the gunners machine gun, in my opinion in deed nicely detailed, especially built together with the holder and and ammunition:



This is supposed to be a 12.7mm UBT machine gun, but what the heck is the extra rod on top of the gas drainer chamber? Me personally never saw anything like this on any photo before, for example:



There are two different wing mounted guns included in the kit, that surprised me quiet much.



You can see on the left is the late type Il-2 specific, wing mounted Volkov-Yartsev 23mm machine gun, to right is the ShVAK machine gun. At this point I've started to became very curious, since this type gun was used in the early type straight wing Il-2s. And what even more interesting is the large fairing, that I've never seen before.

Paint & marking options

Tamiya offer 3 painting options for the kit:


First aircraft bearing a Kremlin type (two tone) red star, pilot is the Kazakh origin Ivan Pavlov, two times Hero of the Soviet Union (HSU) decorated, flown 237 mission. The aircraft was donated by the people of his native village together with 3 other airplanes. This states the script on the starboard of fuselage. This a/c is well documentated and photographed. The kit box art depicts the same.


The camouflage pattern reflects the #2 pattern, described in 1943.


The second option is also a famous aircraft:


Pilot was Vasiliy Michlik squadron leader, 309 mission flown, 2xHSU decorated. The fuselage script says: "Revenge for Krishtenko" and with "Za Leningrad" (for Leningrad) badge. More curiosty of this a/c is the 20mm ShVAK wing gun.

This camouflage pattern reflects the #1 pattern. In my opinion the fuselage pattern could be questioned, usually behind the gunner position used to be a larger dark grey (AMT-12) patch, that is shown as brown by Tamiya:


You can find this a/c in many publications (for example 4+), but me personally can not distungish the ShVAK guns nor the camouflage pattern clearly

Third option:


This is also based on #1 camouflage pattern.


The ID number on the wings and white markings on the tail fin makes are remarkable, but that's all. There hundred times more interesting options in this matter.

Decals and others

Overall the markings are looking all right, the red could have been a little more orangish in my opinion. Finally there is a canopy mask included in the box that is a worthy extra to me!


to be continued..
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John Thompson
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 06:02:42 PM »

That does look beautiful, but I guess that's what we should expect from Tamiya! Between this kit and the Ark 1/48 I-16 mentioned elsewhere, I'm starting to feel my loyalty to 1/72 scale weakening... Wink

John
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 06:52:03 PM »

With Richard's kind permission, I might post some of my impressions of this kit, including some inaccuracies.  No point in duplicating threads.  Despite some aforementioned inaccuracies, it is a very nice kit, and definitely the best kit of the Shturmovik in any scale.

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Jason
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 07:01:19 PM »

The kit looks really nice.  It looks like the fit is near perfect in the photos.  I am a bit disappointed with Tamiya's decal choices.  I don't understand why they included the "Leningrad" markings since every Accurate Miniatures boxing of the 2 place Il-2 has those same markings.  The other 2 choices are available on Aeromaster and Superscale  sheets issued several years ago.  With tens of thousands Il-2s built you would think they could of found some markings not covered before.  Hopefully the kit will be available at the local hobby shop soon.  I can't wait to get my hands on it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 07:06:40 PM »

TD, I'm sure someone will come out with some aftermarket sheets soon.  I'm also certain that Eduard are working on their aftermarket sets for this kit right now.

Regards,

Jason
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2012, 07:11:18 PM »

Armament

I was very curious of the gunners machine gun, in my opinion in deed nicely detailed, especially built together with the holder and and ammunition:



This is supposed to be a 12.7mm UBT machine gun, but what the heck is the extra rod on top of the gas drainer chamber?

Tamiya's machine gun is a strange hybrid - front half (barrel) is UBS and rear half (breach, handle etc) from UBT.  Something like that did not exist.

Following photo explains various UB:


top: UBT = Turret UB
middle: UBK = wing (Krilo) UB
bottom: UBS = Synchronized UB

Synchronized UBS was used on varios Yak fighters. Not on Il-2s.  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2012, 07:48:12 PM »

UBT at http://iz-article.narod.ru/berzin_ub_1.html


UBT at ADD museum  http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/341


Rear half of Tamiya's UBT probably represents


HTH,
KL
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2012, 07:50:41 PM »

Jason,

feel free to point out any flaws of the Il-2.

KL,

thanks for the picture of the UBT. I never saw a clear picture of it.

Michel
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2012, 07:53:54 PM »

Hi,
the machine gun reflects well what one can see on monographs on Il-2s. The upper cylinder (I don't know its use) is visible on few late production planes, but it should be removed in the most of the cases. I think the weapon is called simply UB, while the UBT utilized in the turrets of Il-4 and Li-2 or on Il-10s has the gas recovery pipe on the left side of the barrel instead of above it.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2012, 08:29:54 PM »

I believe that third barrel was an automatic recharger that replaced the manual recharger on some late UBT's.  You can see the manual recharger lever with the wooden (or Bakelite?) handle sticking up in the photographs that Konstantin has posted.

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Jason
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2012, 08:44:05 PM »

2009 Il-2 recovery from Zhukovskii museum website:  http://aviagrad.ru/zhukmuseumm/finder/2009/11/24/2009-11-01-01

UBT now displayed at the museum


Rear end corresponds well to Tamiya's UBT.  Gas cyllinder is missing again and there is again manual recharger lever.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2012, 02:04:30 PM »

in the photo of the cannons...they are both 23MM VYa
there were two different styles of covers for them as illustrated in the photo.
the one on the left should have a vertical weld seam from the top to the bottom
(welding together a left half and a right one)
the other one is an "aerodynamic" cover made as one piece.
at present I do not know if there is a way to determine where or when each type was in manufacture.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2012, 05:43:57 PM »

DGM, you're correct that both are for the 23mm's.  The rectangular fairing sometimes had the prominent weld seam, but sometimes it didn't.  As so often happens with the Shturmovik, it differs between individual aeroplanes.  Perhaps it was tied to the particular factory; I really don't know.  As far as the streamlined cannon fairings, they appear to have been introduced later in the arrow's run (although by which factory and when, again I can't determine), and often appear in combination with the streamlined rocket fairings.  The Il-2 preserved in the Belgrade museum has a nice example of these streamlined fairings (both cannon and rocket).

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Jason
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2012, 07:44:01 PM »

UBT mystery solved!!!

1.     the purpose of the lever/cylinder was to clear jammed machine gun, it wasn?t a recharger or a cocking lever.  Wing UBK and synchronized UBS were cleared remotely ? there was a cylinder which worked on compressed air from the pneumatic system.  Turret UBT was cleared manually ? pneumatic cylinder and its piping were too large and complex for the turret.  Probably the same reasons why wartime Il-2s had manual system.

2.    1945 UBT machine guns were produced with the pneumatic cylinder.  Following photos illustrates this change:


top is UBT with manual clearing lever, lower is UBT with pneumatic cylinder


Note embossed production year:  top is 1945 UBT with pneumatic cylinder, lower is 1944 UBT with manual clearing lever.
From:  http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/yuri_pasholok/ubt_aircraft_machinegun/

Tamiya?s UBT with pneumatic cylinder is OK for Il-2s made in 1945.  Pneumatic cylinder should be removed on Il-2s made in 1942-1944.
UBT were also made with handle and trigger at the rear end of the machine gun. It would have been nice if Tamiya included this as an optional part.

Tamiya?s UBT is actually very crude, especially for 1:48 scale.  Micro-mir makes better UBT in 1:72 scale



from:  http://plasticmodels.com.ua/cat-1-99755.html
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2012, 08:09:14 PM »

Thank you for the clarification, Konstantin!  I was wondering if that might be some manual device for clearing jams - obviously wing guns and nose guns couldn't be unjammed that way, but a gun with a gunner could.

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Jason
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