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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2012, 12:28:06 PM » |
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Hi, here is a new one.  Jason, do you want it for the book? Regards Massimo |
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KL
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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2012, 06:40:04 PM » |
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more photos of the "red 5 in white square":   It looks it had black/green ailerons... |
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B_Realistic
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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2012, 07:56:06 PM » |
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Massimo and Kl, stop with trowing those pictures. I also like this one.  What am I going to do?  ? Michel |
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KL
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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2012, 07:58:07 PM » |
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Question:
What was the reason to leave forward fuselage and cockpit canopy on this Il-2 in its original black/green camouflage??
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Because engine and cockpit canopy had to be covered with tarpulins when planes were on ground...
It was all about hiding planes on the ground - primary role of white MK-7 was to hide planes on snow covered airfields. When on ground, in open, engines and cockpit canopies of the planes were covered with canvas tarpulins
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2012, 08:13:11 PM » |
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Hi,
I've updated the drawing. Thank you for the suggestions.
I think that this plane would be good for a model, if one manages to paint the number.
Note that I can't be sure about the filter.
Regards
Massimo
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K.Ingraham
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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2012, 08:51:10 PM » |
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Spasiba KL, that had me mystified too--of course, after you explained it I had a "D'Oh" moment  I'll be doing white 6 now on my next single seater. Thanks all for the inspiration and references. |
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KL
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« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2012, 10:39:58 PM » |
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It was all about hiding planes on the ground - primary role of white MK-7 was to hide planes on snow covered airfields. When on the ground, in open, engines and cockpit canopies of the planes were covered with canvas tarpulins
  note camouflage net above the plane!Clearly, sometimes in the field, only parts of the plane not covered with tarpulins were painted in white MK-7. 1943 Maintenance Instruction provides more details about winter camouflage: - to make MK-7 more effective, planes were oriented with their tails towards the Sun - to reduce wings shadow, white fabric was spread between wing leading edge and ground as a proof that this was really done, here is a photo:  Think of a Su-2 with its engine and cockpit canopy covered with tarpulins and its wings covered with white fabric. Only rear fuselage and tail would be uncovered. That strange scheme with white rear fuselages actually makes sense!  HTH, KL |
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« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2012, 12:22:55 AM » |
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Very interesting information, Konstantin! Now it makes sense. And Massimo, No. 5 would be a great one for the book!
Best Regards,
Jason
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B_Realistic
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« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2012, 10:13:34 AM » |
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@KL,
thanks for sharing that information.
It's almost the same idea why germans mottled there aircraft and also used some coverings.
@Massimo,
what about the wing stabilizers at the wing tips?
Where they also being used on red 5?
I don't see them your drawing.
Michel
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2012, 10:50:55 AM » |
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Hi Michel,
plane n.5 has wooden wings, so the balance weights were not used. One has also to fill many panel lines because the wooden surface was rather smooth. It would require a complete repainting of the wings of your model, I fear.
Hi Jason,
I've already sent this drawing aside the updated version of silver 6 and a 'white 1' built in early 1942 in Factory n.1 with a differenttype of exhaust stack.
Hi Konstantin, interesting photos for a diorama.
Regards
Massimo
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« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2012, 12:18:51 PM » |
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Massimo,
nevertheless that I will repaint my whole model I'm not eager to fill all the panellines on the wings.
So this will not be the plane.
Thanks.
Michel
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2012, 03:46:49 PM » |
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I see. Undoubtedly, filling panels is not a nice work.
Regards
Massimo
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« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2012, 12:47:23 AM » |
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I see. Undoubtedly, filling panels is not a nice work.
Regards
Massimo
Or sanding them off, either! Regards, Jason |
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« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2012, 01:59:02 AM » |
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Some great pictures there. KL.
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2012, 10:41:54 AM » |
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Hi,
I wonder why they left the tail and the rear fuselage uncovered on the snowy ground, just the positions where the red stars were located. Those markings revealed the plane to marauders, particularly if on a white background.
Regards
Massimo
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