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learstang
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2012, 06:28:12 PM »

Thank you for posting that, Kevin!  I only wish it were an Li-2 and not a Lend-Lease C-47 (there are a lot more C-47's around now than there are Li-2's).  Still an interesting find and in amazingly good shape.  I saw the one person's response about how the Soviets never repaid nor sent back their L-L equipment.  As far as I'm concerned, their 27 million war dead, including 9 million soldiers should be considered payment enough, and the Russian made a good response post about how American, and British and Commonwealth lives were saved because of the Soviets fighting the Wehrmacht.

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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2012, 07:51:28 PM »

Some notes:

-  Three Li-2s included in Aviaartika in 1941 (N310 to N313) were probably orange/blue as per Maslov's profile

-  N328 was a 1943 Land-Lease C-47.  Probably remained in its original colours while with Polar Aviation.  Tepsurkaev's and Pilawskii's SSSR-N328 profiles are missidentified, colours are wrong, Arctic red-orange/silver scheme never existed.

-  Not all Aviaarktika and Polar Aviation planes were orange - some new, demilitarized or L-L planes remained in their original colours.

-  Salehard Li-2 monument (SSSR-73956) was probably an Aeroflot plane.  It was repainted many times - trimming was red, orange and now it's blue.   Roll Eyes

Polar Aviation Li-2 around 1960 (1961?)


Aeroflot Li-2s


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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2012, 09:22:06 PM »

Hi,
excellent photos.
These are C-47s, distinguishable for the trasparent dome that Li-2s hadn't.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2012, 10:18:10 PM »

These are C-47s, distinguishable for the trasparent dome that Li-2s hadn't.

Li-2 could have a dome - check photos at http://www.airforce.ru/history/li-2_arctic/index.htm
Photos were taken in early 1970es



or following Polar Aviation Li-2
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2012, 06:57:00 AM »

@ Learstang: The abject ignorance about the USSR in the GPW is a serious pet-peeve. The poster's comment about the Soviets not returning LL equipment is garbage. Not that it was "paid in full" but much was paid for or returned--but as you implied, the USSR beating Hitler made LL a worthwhile investment.
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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2012, 07:23:56 AM »

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Li-2 could have a dome - check photos at http://www.airforce.ru/history/li-2_arctic/index.htm
Photos were taken in early 1970es
I see, it could be a late refitting on polar planes.
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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2012, 07:43:38 AM »

Thanks KL - you are a font of knowledge! Those pictures are even better. "CCCP-04204" and "-04244" both look like good candidates for a model. Am I right in thinking just "CCC" above port wing and maybe just "204" above stbd wing? I have manipulated the photo and can't see the "P" anywhere there. However the b&w picture of 0244 seems to show "04244" in full above stbd wing so I'm guessing "CCCP" above port. This is the sort of thing that kit and decal makers face all the time - the right answer comes up after you have committed the artwork! Just like Amodel!
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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2012, 09:20:42 AM »

Hi,

I think that the 'p' is there, but is glossy and reflects the orange side of fuselage.

The code is complete in this image, it looks likely that it's as the other plane.
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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2012, 02:14:22 PM »

Now we just need a good view of the nose lettering and I'm ready to roll.

The Amodel kit has an option for a Li-2V with astrodome, extra crew cabin window and whip aerial as per these two and different skis to the Li-2T.
Unless there is a picture to the contrary I'll go with these skis.
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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2012, 08:38:45 PM »

Now we just need a good view of the nose lettering and I'm ready to roll.

Now when you have selected plane my internet search yielded some more concrete results:
Colour photo showing two Li-2s was taken at the Cherskiy airport (Yakutia) in early 1970es.
Two planes are in ?modified? Aeroflot colours.  In 1970es Aeroflot Li-2s livery was very simple - just two red lines along fuselage sides, one above and one below passengers? windows.  Tailfin and tip of the rudder were also red.  Aeroflot symbol was painted bellow and behind the cockpit.


At some point (maybe in 1973 when GUSMP and its Polar Aviation were disbanded  Huh) tailfin, wingtips and tips of horizontal stabilizers were painted in red.  Also, a wide red line around the passengers? windows was added.

A single Li-2 (SSSR-04218) is preserved at Cherskiy as a monument.  The plane could be in its original colours on the following old photo Huh


Model of the Cherskiy Li-2 monument


Usefull links about Aeroflot Li-2 colours
http://airliner-models.org/forum/topic/1700-okraska-li-2-v-aaroflote-vopros/
http://airliner-models.org/forum/topic/2344-li-2-aaroflot-poljarnaja-aviacija-sssr-04218-1100-konvers/
http://airliner-models.org/forum/topic/1719-li-2-aaroflot/
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_10575_start_0.html
Soviet a/c database:
http://www.scramble.nl/sovdb.htm

Early (end of 1940es and 1950es) Aeroflot symbol and lettering


Good luck with your Li-2!!!
KL
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« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2012, 12:37:50 AM »

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In 1970es Aeroflot Li-2s livery was very simple - just two red lines along fuselage sides, one above and one below passengers windows.

Correction - it wasn't that simple....  Lips Sealed

Following is 1965 photo, same Li-2 04204 - clearly there are red and blue double lines both above and below windows!
http://www.polarpost.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=8098&mode=view

It looks that "thick blue line + thin red line" from 1950es evolved in "double blue/red line" in 1960es.

In 1974 blue Aeroflot trimming (seen on jet airliners) became a GOST standard. Thin red lines should have disappeared from those planes. Probably at the same time Aeroflot's Polar Aviation switched to "red only"...
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« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2012, 07:54:06 PM »

Examples of red colour used by Aeroflot's Polar Aviation in mid-1980es:






Red colour is the same as the red of the national flag (the "Red Banner") or the "Red Star" - AKAN's red would be perfect.

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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2012, 06:15:27 PM »

SSSR-04244 would be an interesting model - real plane ended in a dramatic way:

w/o 03may73 when the gear collapsed whilst taxiing on the ice of the frozen sea in the
Canadian Arctic at 82?15' N, 125? W, was used for upholding communications with
Soviet Navy submarines, the wreck was sank by crew by blown up the ice this as the
aircraft contained secret equipment, the crew was rescued two days later by another
aircraft


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KL
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