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Author Topic: I-16 Type 24, White 11 "For Salin"  (Read 9571 times)
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« on: August 11, 2012, 07:46:40 PM »

The instructions in the Eduard Weekend Edition kit, which I'm building, call for the gun camera (?) on top of the fuselage aft of the cockpit. Of the many online profiles of this plane, some show it present, but more show it not present. The only photo I've seen, with Safonov posing in front, only goes back as far as the gunsight. Any confirmation available either way?

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2012, 07:54:53 PM »

I-16 Type 24, White 11 "For Stalin" had a camera





more at http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1079.15
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 08:47:52 PM »

Many thanks, Konstantin! The first photo is also really helpful for the color demarcation line.

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 09:26:14 PM »

Another question, if I may: The Eduard instructions call for flat black propeller blades, but a lot of I-16 photos show aluminum blades, at least on the front surfaces. Available photos of White 11 don't show the prop. What would be most likely?

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 10:37:10 PM »

That first photograph shows the pre-war scheme, with the overall green topsides and the stars with the thin black outline.  Pre-war the propellers were normally all-metal, with the back 2/3rds (3/4ths?) painted black for anti-glare purposes.

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2012, 12:04:57 AM »

Thanks for the reply, Jason. The Eduard instructions give 1941 for the year. Even with the early paint scheme (I did it as AII Green/Blue), would the propeller perhaps have been repainted black by then?

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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2012, 01:16:33 AM »

It's certainly possible.  It's not like the new paint scheme and repainting the propellers had to be done at the same time.

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2012, 05:16:28 AM »

It's certainly possible.  It's not like the new paint scheme and repainting the propellers had to be done at the same time.
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Jason

I guess, in the absence of absolute certainty either way, I'll go with aluminum blades -- it'll add visual interest. Just for interest sake, was there a particular time frame when props began to be painted black? Did it coincide, for example, with the change-over to AMT paints?

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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 05:43:45 AM »

It's certainly possible.  It's not like the new paint scheme and repainting the propellers had to be done at the same time.
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Jason

I guess, in the absence of absolute certainty either way, I'll go with aluminum blades -- it'll add visual interest. Just for interest sake, was there a particular time frame when props began to be painted black? Did it coincide, for example, with the change-over to AMT paints?

Pip

Good question, Pip.  I've been going over my Il-2 photographs, and generally, it looks like if it has the black/green scheme, it has the black blades, and if it has the pre-war scheme, it has the (mostly) natural metal blades.  There are exceptions, of course, but this seems to be the general rule.  It make sense - nothing like the glint off of natural metal blades to give away your position to the Germans, both on the ground and in the air.  Since you're splashing the black on in the field, why not cover the blades at the same time (I suspect this was done at the factories from the time they started applying the black/green scheme).

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2012, 08:40:18 PM »

Well, here's the finished model. It's the Eduard Weekend Edition, built OOB with the the kit markings. I did cut off the sides of the cockpit floor, but you really can't see it! I used Mr. Color no. 136, Russian Green 2, for the upper AII Green, and I mixed Model Master Russian Topside Blue and Mr. Color no. 323 Light Blue for the AII Blue unders. Photos clearly show a somewhat glossy finish, so I used Micro Flat straight up for a weathered sheen. I'm grateful for the information I obtained here at sovietwarplanes.com.






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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2012, 09:50:55 PM »

Hi Pip

Absolutely beautiful. It really makes me want to build mine (I have the same weekend edition kit in the stash).

A quick question:

I mixed Model Master Russian Topside Blue and Mr. Color no. 323 Light Blue for the AII Blue unders.

If I remember correctly, Mr Color is a lacquer based paint and Model Master is enamel. I didn't know these two brands would be compatible, but based on your results it looked like it worked fine. Any comment?
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2012, 10:15:43 PM »

Good model. Thank you for sharing the photos. The shades look very likely.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2012, 10:41:45 PM »

Hi Pip

Absolutely beautiful. It really makes me want to build mine (I have the same weekend edition kit in the stash).

A quick question:

I mixed Model Master Russian Topside Blue and Mr. Color no. 323 Light Blue for the AII Blue unders.

If I remember correctly, Mr Color is a lacquer based paint and Model Master is enamel. I didn't know these two brands would be compatible, but based on your results it looked like it worked fine. Any comment?

Hi bbrought.
Thanks for the nice comment. In answer to your question, I thought at first that the Mr. Color and Model Master were going to clash -- the resulting mix was a little "slushy." However, once I added some lacquer thinner, the consistency evened out nicely, and the mixture remained stable for the duration of the build (and is still apparently okay several weeks later).

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2012, 12:53:07 AM »

Lovely little Ishak, Pip!  Excellent job!

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Jason
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2012, 04:50:19 AM »

Lovely little Ishak, Pip!  Excellent job!

Regards,

Jason

Thanks, Jason!
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