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« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2013, 04:03:43 PM »

Thanks Massimo! I thought also undersurface blue, but i wasn't shore about it. I have discoverd that there was no "floor" under the tubular frame and i removed this kit item. Now i have to repaint the inside again, and the seat  Cheesy. The more i look at this plane, the more i discover...i like this plane now even more... Grin
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« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2013, 08:51:08 PM »

There are MiG-3 parts in two locations in Finland: Wing parts and horizontal stabilizer at Vesivehmaa P?ij?t-H?meen Ilmailumuseo and side panel, rear fuselage and likely rudder at Tikkakoski Central Finland Aviation museum storage. I have seen years ago (less than 20...  Wink ) the side panel mentioned and it had light blue interior colour. I have no reason to suspect the FS number given by Mr. Lumppio.
Hello,

A couple of pictures of the rear fuselage at Tikkakoski storage:
plus.google.com?77000387940344883/albums/5633393064105837249/5855875261535454258?banner=pwa
plus.google.com?77000387940344883/albums/5633393064105837249/5855875212399880418?banner=pwa

Unfortunately I'm still missing the side panel...

Cheers,

AaCee
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« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2013, 09:02:23 PM »

Hi AaCee,
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A couple of pictures of the rear fuselage at Tikkakoski storage:
plus.google.com?77000387940344883/albums/5633393064105837249/5855875261535454258?banner=pwa
plus.google.com?77000387940344883/albums/5633393064105837249/5855875212399880418?banner=pwa

Are these links to images? They don't function.

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Massimo
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« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2013, 09:09:15 PM »

Are these links to images? They don't function.
Hello Massimo,

Should be. Try these;
https://plus.google.com/photos/104977000387940344883/albums/5633393064105837249/5855875261535454258?banner=pwa
https://plus.google.com/photos/104977000387940344883/albums/5633393064105837249/5855875212399880418?banner=pwa

My apologies for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

AaCee

PS. Please consider to consolidate this and previous msg for clarity if you think it appropriate.
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« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2013, 09:25:07 PM »

No problem. Thank you for the splendid photos, it seems that the light blue (or blue-grey?) color is on many parts.
The wood color inside was a surprise for me, I thought that they would have painted it in some way.
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Massimo
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« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2013, 07:50:57 AM »

WOW  Shocked

Thanks AaCee!! Just what i needed! The wood inside is definitely a surprise! I am gonna airbrush the rear in woodcolor  Cheesy
As we can see, the rear section (rim part, i don't know the English word for it  Embarrassed) that connect to the tubular frame is also the outside color. My fuselage is white. I think it was done in the factory, and not oversprayed in the field...
My conclusion/question is the following;
Should i paint the rim in the fuselage color white (most likely for me), or green as on the photo?  Huh

Thanks (again) for the support guys  Cheesy
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« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2013, 12:45:01 PM »

No problem. Thank you for the splendid photos, it seems that the light blue (or blue-grey?) color is on many parts.
The wood color inside was a surprise for me, I thought that they would have painted it in some way.
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Massimo

Hi Massimo,

I think the original color is grey green. When it faded, the green faded away, and the grey bleached thouwards very light grey, having a blue...eh...glow... That is why we think that the inside of MiG's are blue inside...
I think that could be possible? What do you think?

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Remco
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« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2013, 07:29:05 PM »

What are people's thoughts about the colors used by Aviarestoration of Novosibirsk in their restored MiG-3 cockpit? They used what I take to be ALG-5 for the floor and the seat. I achieved, and used, something close to what is shown in the walkaround photos by mixing yellow zinc chromate with black. Konstantin seems adamant that the cockpit color (or most of it) should be A-14. Is the research/execution of Aviarestoration therefore to be discounted? I will add that my model of an early MiG-3 is virtually finished, and I don't intend to try to redo the cockpit!

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« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2013, 07:47:04 PM »

What are people's thoughts about the colors used by Aviarestoration of Novosibirsk in their restored MiG-3 cockpit? They used what I take to be ALG-5 for the floor and the seat. I achieved, and used, something close to what is shown in the walkaround photos by mixing yellow zinc chromate with black. Konstantin seems adamant that the cockpit color (or most of it) should be A-14. Is the research/execution of Aviarestoration therefore to be discounted?

Like most restorers, Aviarestoration didn't pay to much attention to colours.  They have limited colour authenticity to the external finish.  Wreck preserved in Finland is more relevant.
As explained before, back armour and wheels should be green because both were made of cast iron.  Lower part of the seat and cockpit floor are duralluminium, most likely A-14 steel gray.

HTH,
KL
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« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2013, 08:36:29 PM »

Hi Remco,
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I think the original color is grey green. When it faded, the green faded away, and the grey bleached thouwards very light grey, having a blue...eh...glow... That is why we think that the inside of MiG's are blue inside...
I think that could be possible? What do you think?
I don't know, but the color couldn't have changed so much. External colors are  apparently well preserved although their exposition to sun was surely longer than the inside parts when the plane was serviceable.
Kari has suggested that this could be A.28m that was also used for inside, but I think that this paint was utilized on planes only after the mid of 1941 (most likely later) and this plane was built in very early 1941, so probably it isn't so. My suggestion is to copy the color as it is.

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both were made of cast iron
in the case of the back, I would say pressed steel sheet.

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Massimo


 
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« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2013, 12:20:46 AM »

What are people's thoughts about the colors used by Aviarestoration of Novosibirsk in their restored MiG-3 cockpit? They used what I take to be ALG-5 for the floor and the seat. I achieved, and used, something close to what is shown in the walkaround photos by mixing yellow zinc chromate with black. Konstantin seems adamant that the cockpit color (or most of it) should be A-14. Is the research/execution of Aviarestoration therefore to be discounted?

Like most restorers, Aviarestoration didn't pay to much attention to colours.  They have limited colour authenticity to the external finish.  Wreck preserved in Finland is more relevant.
As explained before, back armour and wheels should be green because both were made of cast iron.  Lower part of the seat and cockpit floor are duralluminium, most likely A-14 steel gray.

HTH,
KL

Is that green colour a primer for cast iron?  If so, which green is it, as it appears different than A-24m (which I know wasn't a primer but a top coat, a camouflage colour)?  I notice that modern Russian aircraft still seem to use that green for the wheels.

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Jason
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« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2013, 12:41:37 AM »

Photo of crashed/inverted MiG-3, showing green wheels (which I'd have thought were more likely to be aluminum than cast iron, but whatever):



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« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2013, 01:45:32 AM »

Photo of crashed/inverted MiG-3, showing green wheels (which I'd have thought were more likely to be aluminum than cast iron, but whatever):



Yes, you are right John - wheels were made of the cast "Silumin" which is alluminum-silica alloy.  Green (grass green) was standard colour for aluminium and magnesium parts.
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« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2013, 04:33:29 AM »

However, the question still remains - what is (was) the designation for this paint?

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Jason
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« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2013, 02:59:16 PM »

This may be of interest:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100815010800/http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/Wheels/part_1.php

In particular:
"the claim has always been that the MiG-3 wheels were painted with the trademark Soviet "green" colour (type and nomenclature unknown) which one may see even today on wheels, intake cones and such items [one lacquer described in the 1974 VVS camouflage regulations refers to this paint as 'KO-814 aerolak', but adds in the diagram, "or others..."]. The two surviving and un-rebuilt units we have for examination do seem to show a green paint on this in roughly this category."

So it could be almost anything, based on the above. My guesses would be 4BO (although 4BO seems dark), since this oil-based paint was not specific to the aviation industry but, as an oil-based enamel would have good durability on metal (they used a lot on tanks, so I hear), or some mixture of ALG-5 (which would account for variations in colour).

John
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