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« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2013, 05:37:24 PM »

Jon, I have one of the Il-2 - maybe I'll do it as a post here, or a separate post - perhaps we could have a separate topic where these colour-coded profiles are added (I can't do it right at the moment - computer problems - I'm using someone else's computer now).

That would be cool, Jason! Thanks!
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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2013, 10:03:34 PM »

Good information- thanks everyone!

Is there a chart of the various VVS aircraft that shows what various parts were made up of? That would be helpful to see color-coded profiles.

Jon, I have one of the Il-2 - maybe I'll do it as a post here, or a separate post - perhaps we could have a separate topic where these colour-coded profiles are added (I can't do it right at the moment - computer problems - I'm using someone else's computer now).

Regards,

Jason


This might be of interest:


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« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2013, 08:39:20 AM »

@John
I know this one. I think it was from a Spanish modeler and it's stunning.
A Hungarian modeler made also a Mig-3 in that style.
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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2013, 06:41:11 PM »

Here are the drawings showing the different covering materials of the Il-2:

Metal-winged arrow:



Wooden-winged arrow:




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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2013, 07:32:35 PM »

Hi learstang,

a nice mixture of materials. What paints did they use for camouflage? Nitroceluloze AMT-xx, or oil A-xx or their combination according to the base material (wood or fabric or metal)?
 
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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2013, 08:13:15 PM »

Probably AMT paints (which would have worked over primed metal), with the earliest Il-2's at the beginning of the war apparently having A-18f and A-19f for the metal parts, and AII Z (Green) and AII sv. gol. (Blue) for the wooden parts.

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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2013, 08:19:57 PM »

Here are the drawings showing the different covering materials of the Il-2:



Most awesome- thanks Jason!
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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2013, 08:23:12 PM »

Here are the drawings showing the different covering materials of the Il-2:



Most awesome- thanks Jason!

You're welcome, Jon - I hope these help!

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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2013, 08:46:47 PM »

Hi learstang,

if AMT-xx could be used on metal parts of Il-2 why not on metal P-39?  Huh

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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2013, 09:01:06 PM »

Hi learstang,

if AMT-xx could be used on metal parts of Il-2 why not on metal P-39?  Huh

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I thought it was, for example, when the stiffening plates were added to the P-39 rear fuselage, and the work was done in the Soviet Union, I thought the area was repainted in AMT-4 Green.

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« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2013, 11:10:45 PM »

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Probably AMT paints (which would have worked over primed metal), with the earliest Il-2's at the beginning of the war apparently having A-18f and A-19f for the metal parts, and AII Z (Green) and AII sv. gol. (Blue) for the wooden parts.

about Il-2s: I think that it depends on the factory and period. On Z.1, after 1943, the wings and rear fuselage were painted before being assembled to the front of fuselage, and seem to have more contrasting colors. My idea is that wings and rear fuselage and tail were painted with AMT and perhaps masks (they had fabric-skinned parts), while the front of fuselage was painted with oil paints.
The planes of z.30 were painted after being assembled, probably in AMT.
About Z.18, it is not clear.

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if AMT-xx could be used on metal parts of Il-2 why not on metal P-39?
Why not? After the primer, probably.

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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2013, 11:15:05 PM »

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Probably AMT paints (which would have worked over primed metal), with the earliest Il-2's at the beginning of the war apparently having A-18f and A-19f for the metal parts, and AII Z (Green) and AII sv. gol. (Blue) for the wooden parts.

about Il-2s: I think that it depends on the factory and period. On Z.1, after 1943, the wings and rear fuselage were painted before being assembled to the front of fuselage, and seem to have more contrasting colors. My idea is that wings and rear fuselage and tail were painted with AMT and perhaps masks (they had fabric-skinned parts), while the front of fuselage was painted with oil paints.
The planes of z.30 were painted after being assembled, probably in AMT.
About Z.18, it is not clear.

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if AMT-xx could be used on metal parts of Il-2 why not on metal P-39?
Why not? After the primer, probably.

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Massimo

Massimo, so you think that's why the AMT-1 on the forward fuselage is darker (I think we've discussed this before)?

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Jason
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« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2013, 06:59:43 AM »

Hi Jason,
it's a possibility, but I can't be sure because the implication could be that A-21m is much darker than AMT-1, and this don't agree with the Nakrasok alboom. Another explanation could be that it was sprayed or thinned in different way and appeared darker for trasparence on a darker background. The third one, but looks less likely, is that the brown on the nose was replaced with green and the green with dark grey, but I don't think because the official patterns on wings and rear fuselage were well respected on planes of z.1 and 30. The fact that the brown blotch on the left fuselage side (aside the gunner's position) appears darker can easily be justified by smokes, but the same thing appears on the nose too. I wonder if it is due to the heat of the engine.
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« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2013, 03:05:37 PM »

Although it's British I think this shows to good effect darker nose panels, most likely I would think from being rubbed down to get the oil and hand prints off them during maintenance.
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« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2013, 04:52:13 PM »

Hi,
beautiful photo. In this case, I think that the cowling and leading edges are darker because repainted.
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