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Overall colour on La-9/11/15/17, Yak-9P (1948)
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2013, 05:11:51 PM »

Wing of La-156. This is not wood, it looks through primer.
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2014, 10:39:46 PM »

For what it's worth, here's a couple of photos of an Amodel 1/72 Yak-9P which I finished recently (although it still lacks the aerial wires and pitot tube and needs a touchup here and there), painted in what I thought was a good approximation of A-36g based on the information in this thread:



The paint is Gunze Sangyo aqueous acrylic RLM 78; Testors ModelMaster enamel 2087 RLM 78 is nearly identical, both straight from the bottle. It looks just a little bit more blue in real life - the photos were taken under cool-white fluorescent lighting.

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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2014, 01:09:27 PM »

Hi John,
are them out of the box, or have you done any modifications?
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2014, 04:52:11 PM »

Hi John,
are them out of the box, or have you done any modifications?
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Hi Massimo! Regarding modifications, I moved the wing back by 3 mm as discussed on Scalemodels.ru; when that is done, the radiator housing needs to be moved forward by about 2 mm. I also used a set of Moskit metal exhausts which were made for the P-39 and P-40 and added the extra seventh outlet on each side for the spark plug cooling airflow from small plastic tubing.

The bort number is from the PrintScale Yak-9 decal sheet, intended for a different aircraft and altered slightly to suit this one; the stars are from Techmod, and the stencils are from the Amodel kit decal sheet. The Techmod decals are well printed but require a coat of Microscale liquid decal film to keep them from breaking up - they are very fragile. I had no problems with the PrintScale decals or the Amodel decals.

Here is the information from Scalemodels.ru regarding the Amodel Yak-9U kit; it also applies to the Yak-9P:
http://scalemodels.ru/articles/3974-Amodel-1-72-jak-9u.html
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_5103_start_0.html

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2014, 06:00:38 PM »

That Yak-9 looks good, John!  I'd wondered where you'd gotten off to - I see you've been busy making models.  Now there's a concept!

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2014, 06:52:04 PM »

That Yak-9 looks good, John!  I'd wondered where you'd gotten off to - I see you've been busy making models.  Now there's a concept!

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Jason

Thanks, Jason! I have several more which I'll post (if I'm brave enough) whenever I get a few last details done and some photos taken. I only posted the Yak-9P in this thread because I was interested in whether I'd get any responses on my judgement of the A-36g colour.

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2014, 01:06:46 PM »

Hi John,

The FS595 equivalent to RLM 78 is generally given as 35414, whereas AMT-16, AGT-16, A-36g, PF-36m and PF-36g (all the same shade) should be around 34233/14233.

IMHO, even taking into account the color scale-factor, RLM 78 appears to be too light and too blue. See http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=35414+34233

My 2? only! Wink

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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2014, 02:21:09 PM »

Hi John,
for me your kit looks very nice. All that modifications really improved it.
However, it is hard to judge the color from the computer monitor. This is chip of A-36g from http://www.mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/color-table.html:


Color of your kit looks lighter and more greyish on my monitor. But it could be caused by light conditions when you photographed your kit.
I am curious for your next builds.
Happy modeling.

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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2014, 11:54:10 PM »

Thank you for the kind words, 66misos! Yes, it's lighter than the samples; I was trying to get a colour closer to the Yak-11 image in KL's post on the first page of this thread:



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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2014, 05:50:58 AM »

Cameras, artificial or natural lighting, monitors etc. make this more complex than it is.

Colour's name was "light gray-blue".  It was a lighter version of AMT-11 (callled "gray-blue").

Averin's photo is a bit misleading - 34233 is green-gray (second digit 4).

All Yak-9U colour photos show a bluish colour, not green.  All Yak-11 photos show a bluish colour not green.

IMHO, John's Yak-9 is OK.  If it is more bluish than what my monitor shows - even better.

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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2014, 07:42:28 AM »

Hi John,
photos can be misleading, but if you have a FS-595 catalogue in your home, you can check this.

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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2014, 09:50:04 AM »

Yes, I have FS-595C and 34233 is greenish.
It isn't that simple - I have tried to take photos of FS chips and colours were all over the place.  I took (written) notes and compared them with photos and there were discrepancies.  What I saw as the closest chip wasn't the closest on photos. Can you explain this?
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2014, 12:49:50 PM »

Maybe some different reflections due to different finish?
This image is from Akanihin, and I think that it was representative of what he saw.
Anyway, it is very possible that faded color on planes was different in some way.
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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2014, 08:14:53 PM »

Instead of using Akanihin's photo you may use GOST standards from the web.

Go to this page:
http://color-paints.ru/?p=sssrcolor and scroll down to chips number 842 and 843 - those are shown on Akanihin's photo.

Even more exact, rgb and hex colour values:
GOST842 = rgb(100, 133, 127) = #64857f
GOST843 = rgb(103, 133, 131) = #678583

I can't figure out how to find closest FS colours, but this site
http://encycolorpedia.com gives following equivalents:
#64857f between FS34148 and FS14158
#678583 between FS34148 and FS35189

and when you plug those colours into colorserver, you get this:
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=35189+34148+34148+14158

Finally, visual check against real FS chips: all 3 greenish chips are too dark, one bluish chip is actually gray.  I would stick to rgb values.
 
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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2014, 09:32:37 PM »


As Konstantin has pointed out,
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Finally, visual check against real FS chips: all 3 greenish chips are too dark, one bluish chip is actually gray.  I would stick to rgb values.

The reason is that the FS595 is the US Federal Standard  which are government specified paint colors, but they are not a complete range of colors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Standard_595

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Similarly to other color standards of the pre-digital era such as RAL colour standard or British Standard 4800, the Federal Standard 595 is a color collection rather than color space. The standard is built upon a set of color shades where a unique reference number is assigned to each color. This collection is then printed on sample color chips and provided to the interested parties. In contrast, modern color systems such as the Natural Color System (NCS) are built upon a color space paradigm, providing for much more flexibility and wider range of applications.

I'm sure many of those reading know this, but for those who may not, given the original nature of the FS595 system, it's not surprising that many 'matches' quoted are a 'nearest match' rather than an exact one.   Far too often FS595 'matches' are posted, which, while widely available system it's has it's limits, but it also seems the reason for the limits are forgotten.

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