Naval aviation Order(s) of Battle in GPW

[expositor]

Hello All,

I've found it rather difficult to find a list of all the air regiments which served in the AVMF during WWII.  I did stumble upon one site some months ago which had quite a list of all the units in Stalin's various air forces but I failed to bookmark it and have been unable to find it again.  I do have the old Soviet Naval Aviation paperback published in Poland in, obviously, that language, which I do not happen to understand.  I was able to list the various regiments it mentioned, but found an anomaly in its inclusion of the the 69 IAP/9 GIAP as a unit first in the Black Sea Fleet, and later in the Pacific Fleet.  If I remember correctly, wasn't that Sultan Ahmet Khan's unit?  Pictures show him in the classic Russian army pull-over tunic, which I assume was never issued as a Navy uniform; so now I suspect there might be other errors in that work.  Some of the photos with ground crews are clearly of Frontal or PVO units rather than naval.  Does anyone know where such unit information could be found?

Thanks!

[FPSOlkor]

http://allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/sssr/struct/main.dat

VVS KA and VVS VMF could have identical numbers. They belonged to different Narkomats.

[KL]

Quite reliable information on VVS and VMF regiments (and other larger units) can be found at http://allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/sssr/struct/main.dat

All fighter regiments (including Naval regiments) are listed at http://allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/sssr/struct/p_iap.dat
All guards fighter regiments (including Guards Naval regiments)at http://allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/sssr/struct/p_gviap.dat
All ground attack regiments (including Naval regiments) are listed at  http://allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/sssr/struct/p_shap.dat
etc...

HTH,
KL

[expositor]

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the links; now if I can only get the translator to work....

FP, I was under the assumption that with regimental numbers up to the 900's, there wasn't much chance
that there would be numerical duplications even though the PVO, FA, and AVMF were separate services.

Thanks again for the help!

[FPSOlkor]

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the links; now if I can only get the translator to work....

FP, I was under the assumption that with regimental numbers up to the 900's, there wasn't much chance
that there would be numerical duplications even though the PVO, FA, and AVMF were separate services.

Thanks again for the help!

PVO and FA belonged to the same Narkomat - in modern terms it was ministry of defence, while Fleet and it's VVS belonged to Ministry of Navy. So there was duplication 12th iap was in vvs named correctly as  "12 IAP" and in the Navy named "12 IAP VVS DKBF"

[expositor]

Thanks FP, that would make sense.  However, would that mean that the Guards re-numbering could be a duplication as well?  My impression was that the Guards numbering was sequential, regardless of the 'Narkomat' the unit served under.

[FPSOlkor]

You are incorrect here. Example - 2 GvIAP VVS SF http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/pilots/gusev/gusev.htm and 2 GvIAP  in VVS http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/pilots/kardopoltsev/kardopoltsev.htm

[KL]

Check list of Air Force fighter regiments (iap VVS) at http://allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/sssr/struct/p_iap.dat
- there are many duplicats! 2 x 6th iap, 2 x 10th iap, 4 x 12th iap.

In 1930es regiments were numbered within Army Regions.  12th iap could exist in 4 regions.
During the war regiments were numbered according to mobilization plans - that is why new regiments (or reformed regiments) didn't get sequential numbers.  There are many numbers that are missing, some regiments with higher numbers were actually formed before the lower number regiments.

Official list of all Guard's regiments (from 1960) is here  http://tashv.nm.ru/Perechni_voisk/Perechen_12_02.html
Guard's regiment numbering was more-or-less sequential.  There are missing numbers (12th for example) and some higher number regiments were in combat before lower number regiments...

Official list of all Air Force (VVS) regiments (from 1960) is here  http://tashv.nm.ru/Perechni_voisk/Perechen_12_01.html
you can see there that some regiments were formed twice!

You understand that Air Force and Navy were two entities...

HTH,
KL

[expositor]

Hello FP and KL,

Surprised about two 2GIAP's and two 6GIAP's; and am still unable to translate the allaces.ru into English...!

KL, my understanding is that Soviet Russia had, during the GPW four separate air services: the VVS, or Frontal Aviation of the Red Army; the AVMF, the air forces of the Navy; the PVO, the air defense force; and the DA, the long-range bomber force.  Still, I thought the Guardia designations were sequential regardless of the force, and just dependent upon mission where they would have assigned a 1GIAP, a 1MTAP, a 1GBAP, etc.

Thanks again to both of you for the help!